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11-28-2012, 02:53 PM
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No point fighting until the camp actually starts.

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11-28-2012, 03:03 PM
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When does camp start?

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11-28-2012, 03:12 PM
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Hes out for 1-2 weeks.

Noesen should make the US one right?

I am more excited to see Wiktrand for Sweden than the others.

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11-28-2012, 03:25 PM
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Hes out for 1-2 weeks.

Noesen should make the US one right?

I am more excited to see Wiktrand for Sweden than the others.
Especially with Brodin and Klefbom out for the tourny, Wikstrand is pretty much a lock for top 4 D

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11-28-2012, 03:54 PM
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Hes out for 1-2 weeks.
peumpel is out? dang, i was looking forward to watching him this friday on sportsnet.

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11-28-2012, 06:06 PM
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A week or so before he'll be announced as one of the defensemen on the Swedish WJC roster, Mikael Wikstrand is quarterbacking a power play for Mora with Bobby Ryan and Anze Kopitar. Could have a worse time leading up to that tournament.
How so? Is this sarcasm SteffeGangsta?

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11-28-2012, 10:47 PM
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How so? Is this sarcasm Steffe?
What? It means what he said, Ryan and Kopitar are playing for Mora.

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11-28-2012, 11:27 PM
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What? It means what he said, Ryan and Kopitar are playing for Mora.
He's talking about the "Could have a worse time leading up to the tournament", which I assume he was being sarcastic

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11-28-2012, 11:59 PM
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What? It means what he said, Ryan and Kopitar are playing for Mora.


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He's talking about the "Could have a worse time leading up to the tournament", which I assume he was being sarcastic
Haha, yea.

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11-29-2012, 04:38 AM
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It meant that one could imagine worse situations than playing on a power play with Anze Kopitar and Bobby Ryan, that's all.

Also doesn't sound like Sens are going to let Mika play in Ufa.

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11-29-2012, 08:57 AM
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You need to do something besides score goals to crack the top 6 at the WJC.

Puempel strikes me as a Toffoli-esque player- and they tend to be cheering for Team Canada just like the rest of us come tourney time.
Other examples? Toffoli had a dreadfully dull showing in the red/white games last year. If Puempel does the same, his chances are nill.

Rattie's like Toffoli, but a lot of people have him penciled him. There's room for goal scorers, but they have to score. Just playing a good two way game isn't gonna get these guys in, just like the Sens aren't gonna care that much for Puempel unless he's filling the net.

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11-29-2012, 09:53 AM
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Other examples? Toffoli had a dreadfully dull showing in the red/white games last year. If Puempel does the same, his chances are nill.

Rattie's like Toffoli, but a lot of people have him penciled him. There's room for goal scorers, but they have to score. Just playing a good two way game isn't gonna get these guys in, just like the Sens aren't gonna care that much for Puempel unless he's filling the net.
Exactly. I would argue that Toffoli is the better scorer, but Puempel is better in all other areas of the game (Skating, passing, defensively, physicality). None of those other area's are strong suits of Puempel's game, it is just that Toffoli is extremely one Dimensional. If he isn't scoring, he is doing nothing, while Puempel will still contribute if he isn't scoring, but he would not contribute enough to warrant a spot outside a scoring role on our WJ team.

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11-29-2012, 02:28 PM
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Other examples? Toffoli had a dreadfully dull showing in the red/white games last year. If Puempel does the same, his chances are nill.

Rattie's like Toffoli, but a lot of people have him penciled him. There's room for goal scorers, but they have to score. Just playing a good two way game isn't gonna get these guys in, just like the Sens aren't gonna care that much for Puempel unless he's filling the net.
Goes a little far back, but back when Dan Cleary, Marc Savard, and pretty much anyone leading their league in points got left off the team- more recently Tyler Seguin.

Of course they need to score, but they need to press the play, too. I'm not saying Puempel isn't capable of that- just that he seems closer to the Toffoli side of things.

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11-29-2012, 05:43 PM
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Goes a little far back, but back when Dan Cleary, Marc Savard, and pretty much anyone leading their league in points got left off the team- more recently Tyler Seguin.

Of course they need to score, but they need to press the play, too. I'm not saying Puempel isn't capable of that- just that he seems closer to the Toffoli side of things.
I don't know if those guys fall in the same line. The Toffoli comparison made me think of, one dimensional goal scorers. Team Canada has surely had some players that are one dimensional goal scorers, especially in WJC.



Toffoli didn't make it because he sucked. And if you're vying for a top 6 spot and only that, you've gotta play well and you've gotta score. Same will go for Puempel but I think his game is more well rounded then Toffoli's. But if Puempel is left off the scoresheet he isn't making this team...too hard with the lockout.

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11-30-2012, 07:55 AM
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Puempel diagnosed with a grade 1 shoulder separation.

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11-30-2012, 08:48 AM
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I don't know if those guys fall in the same line. The Toffoli comparison made me think of, one dimensional goal scorers. Team Canada has surely had some players that are one dimensional goal scorers, especially in WJC.

Toffoli didn't make it because he sucked. And if you're vying for a top 6 spot and only that, you've gotta play well and you've gotta score. Same will go for Puempel but I think his game is more well rounded then Toffoli's. But if Puempel is left off the scoresheet he isn't making this team...too hard with the lockout.
I think that's the challenge though. A pure goal scorer often needs to gel with a center, and being forced to play with a bunch of new guys in a must score game, is tough. Wouldn't be shocked if Puempel doesn't light it up at camp, as it is often pretty defensive as guys avoid making mistakes and get used to each other. Many play different systems etc. That's part of what happened to Toffoli IMO.

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11-30-2012, 11:27 AM
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Puempel diagnosed with a grade 1 shoulder separation.
lol, also known as a "Sprain"

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Noesen 2g against 67's

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11-30-2012, 09:49 PM
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Was looking at Silfv on Hockeydb and it reminded me just how good the 2009 entry draft was for the sens.

2008 (4-5) Legitimate Average NHL Team Regulars
Karlsson
Wiercioch
Smith
Borowiecki


Plausible
Petersson

2009 (4) Legitimate Average NHL Team Regulars
Cowen
Silfverberg
Lehner
Hoffman


2010 (1) Legitimate Average NHL Team Regulars
Mark Stone

2011 (2-5) Legitimate Average NHL Team Regulars
Zibanejad
Noesen

Plausible
Puempel
Prince
JGP

2012 (1) Legitimate Average NHL Team Regulars
Ceci


People may not agree with my "regulars" but i'm saying that these people will make at least an average or a non-playoff NHL team during their career- they are surely going to be/are NHL players.

What one can really see here is a tendency that Murray and Co have to pile up draft picks in good draft years and not produce many good players in weak years. 2010 could have been a disaster without Stone.

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11-30-2012, 10:02 PM
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The 2009 draft can be absolutely Gold. Has potential to contain:

Our top 2 defender, number 1 goalie and number 1 winger as well as top 6/bottom 6 winger in Hoffman.

Lawwwwwwwwd.

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11-30-2012, 10:05 PM
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2010 could have been a disaster without Stone.
2010 we traded our 1st round pick for Rundblad, who turned into Turris

So you could say we got Turris and Stone out of the '10 draft, which is a pretty damn good return

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12-01-2012, 12:11 AM
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Noesen 2g against 67's
Missed the game, how did he play?

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The 67's game was not on tv, but here is game report http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/11/30/...o-win-over-67s

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2010 we turned that 1st rounder into Turris.

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Was looking at Silfv on Hockeydb and it reminded me just how good the 2009 entry draft was for the sens.

2008 (4-5) Legitimate Average NHL Team Regulars
Karlsson
Wiercioch
Smith
Borowiecki


Plausible
Petersson

2009 (4) Legitimate Average NHL Team Regulars
Cowen
Silfverberg
Lehner
Hoffman


2010 (1) Legitimate Average NHL Team Regulars
Mark Stone

2011 (2-5) Legitimate Average NHL Team Regulars
Zibanejad
Noesen

Plausible
Puempel
Prince
JGP

2012 (1) Legitimate Average NHL Team Regulars
Ceci


People may not agree with my "regulars" but i'm saying that these people will make at least an average or a non-playoff NHL team during their career- they are surely going to be/are NHL players.

What one can really see here is a tendency that Murray and Co have to pile up draft picks in good draft years and not produce many good players in weak years. 2010 could have been a disaster without Stone.


Borowiecki, Wierciotch and Hoffman are legit Avg NHL regulars, but Puempel is a "Plausible"?

From where I stand, all four are still just plausible, but I suppose that's just nit picking.

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