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12-01-2012, 02:31 AM
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is the endgame for the ACC really that bad off? Even if they lose all their prestige schools, the remaining schools would own the Orange Bowl and have an ok TV deal and a guaranteed contract bowl spot for 12 years. We'd essentially have the Big 4, Midsize 1 and Little 5.

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I don't think GT would be a wise move at all. On the surface it doesn't look like a bad move, acceptable football/basketball, major metropolitan area, good academics. But then they would basically be the Boston College of the Big Ten, no rival, culturally miles apart even from Maryland, geographically isolated, their fans would hate it with such intensity that you'd think the Big Ten is Sherman's advancing army.
Yes to this all day. The east coast additions were sort of acceptable because the geography still worked at the end of the day... these were contiguous regions with a lot of B1G alumni and the two schools were good cultural fits as large land grant schools. The idea of continuing down the coast with UNC (or Notre Dame) as the ultimate prize is compelling in that regard, so rumors linking the B1G to the Virginia schools make sense. But Georgia Tech? That's just nonsense.

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12-01-2012, 06:09 AM
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The GOR isn't going to stop that conference from blowing up if Texas and OU want to leave.

Most of the debunked rumors so far seem to be coming out of WVU "insiders." The people who actually know what Delany's up to aren't exactly known for posting it all over the interwebs.
Won't disagree with that too much, especially the part about the so called insiders. But I have to think if UT and OU were leaving for the Pac it already would have happened by now. Hell it already nearly did happen twice now. Just WAY too much smoke there in previous years that has basically all disappeared. LHN was a non-starter for the Pac, and the Pac was the only legit conference that would have let Texas and OU pick their traveling partners (presumably Tech and Okie State).

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is the endgame for the ACC really that bad off? Even if they lose all their prestige schools, the remaining schools would own the Orange Bowl and have an ok TV deal and a guaranteed contract bowl spot for 12 years. We'd essentially have the Big 4, Midsize 1 and Little 5.
Would be interesting to see what becomes of that bowl deal and TV deal if the ACC does get raided even further.


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Won't disagree with that too much, especially the part about the so called insiders. But I have to think if UT and OU were leaving for the Pac it already would have happened by now. Hell it already nearly did happen twice now. Just WAY too much smoke there in previous years that has basically all disappeared. LHN was a non-starter for the Pac, and the Pac was the only legit conference that would have let Texas and OU pick their traveling partners (presumably Tech and Okie State).
Yeah, I don't see it happening either unless ESPN decides to cut its losses with LHN. Still, that's where Pac would look first if they want to get to 16.

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Yeah, I don't see it happening either unless ESPN decides to cut its losses with LHN. Still, that's where Pac would look first if they want to get to 16.
Yep, no way in hell would they want anything to do with BYU and Boise's academics are flat out laughable. But even if they were to add them they'd still need 2 more teams, and there just aren't that many other viable options there without going after UT and OU. I mean they'd have to be on some seriously good **** to add any of Nevada, UNLV, Hawaii, and New Mexico, yet alone 2 of them.

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Georgia Tech and UVA
I would be okay with both teams, truth be told, but I'm not buying it right now.

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GT just doesn't make any kind of sense. If that reporter's to be believed though we'll find out on Monday.

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GT just doesn't make any kind of sense.
Sure it does, actually. Brand new and large market for the Big Ten Network + easier access of recruiting in the South + Georgia Tech is a good academic fit for the Big Ten as well. If Georgia Tech was in a state bordering the Big Ten, they probably would've been on the top of the conference's expansion rumors since the very beginning.

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12-01-2012, 07:10 PM
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If GT and UVA bolt, the Big 12 should offer invites to FSU and Clemson.

Would be cool to see the ACC dissolve before the Big East.

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The ACC wouldn't dissolve. They'd just take more Big East teams. Trickle Down Athletics.

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Sure it does, actually. Brand new and large market for the Big Ten Network + easier access of recruiting in the South + Georgia Tech is a good academic fit for the Big Ten as well. If Georgia Tech was in a state bordering the Big Ten, they probably would've been on the top of the conference's expansion rumors since the very beginning.
With the Big Ten taking possibly two more teams from the ACC, it's also Delaney giving Notre Dame a massive middle finger in the process. Which I love.

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12-01-2012, 08:47 PM
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I'd have to think our focus is on Virginia and UNC realistically, or Notre Dame

And the ACC would add Cincy (if they don't land in the Big 12) and the rest of the acceptable Big East football schools before they ever dissolved

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FSU to BIG 12 rumors getting a bit louder.

http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-footb...to-the-big-12/

The ACC is ripe for the picking. I would expect a team like Clemson to join FSU if it chooses to move. The Big 12 is in a +2 scenario, in all likelihood, so I doubt they take just one team. Frankly, they would probably take another two teams in the future if they could get some big gets.

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As a WVU fan, I'd love to see FSU and Clemson join the conference.

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As a WVU fan, I'd love to see FSU and Clemson join the conference.
Would be fantastic for us. An eastern division would help with travel and FSU would keep the Florida pipeline pumping.

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It would certainly be an intriguing option, to say the least, as it would effectively put the SEC and Big 12 in direct competition for recruits in the southeast if they had a South Carolina-based team and a Florida-based team.

Also a reasonable argument for the Big Ten thinking about Georgia Tech, too.

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I wondered how long before this would happen.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...ls-sources-say

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The seven Big East Catholic, non-FBS schools met with Big East commissioner Mike Aresco on Sunday to express their concerns for the direction of the conference, multiple Big East sources confirmed to ESPN.com on Monday.

Sources said the New York meeting was the first among the seven schools (Marquette, DePaul, St. John's, Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall and Villanova) and ultimately could lead to them splitting from the Big East's football members.
I was in high school in the years right after the Big east was formed, and that was also the time of the expansion and ibncreased interest in the NCAA tournament. And those original Big East schools (St. John's with Carnesecca, G-town with John Thompson, 'Nova with Rollie Massimino, Seton Hall with PJ Calresimo, plus the 'Cuse and Jim Boeheim) were players every year. That's still the Big East to me, I guess, even though it hasn't really been for some time.

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As a WVU fan, I'd love to see FSU and Clemson join the conference.
My thoughts exactly, though I doubt they'd stop at those 2 if the ACC does indeed fall apart. Question is who they would make the move on to head towards 16 like the Big Ten+4 and SECSECSEC inevitably will.

SEC wants into NC and VA badly, very badly. But they also don't want the Big 12 becoming powerful enough to be a factor on the east coast which would inevitably happen should they add Clemson and FSU. Protectionism doesn't seem like the SEC's game though so they'll probably go for UNC or NCSU and VT. B1G seems hellbent on UVa and GT, which is kindof confusing to me as the only one of the two that's appealing program wise is GT, and they're still a distant second in their home state. But the Big 12 could offer UNC and Duke the package deal that the SEC and B1G won't, and can add Pitt and Cuse, UConn, or Louisville as traveling partners for WVU.

4 Divisions: SW: Texas, Baylor, OU, oSu; Plains: KU, K State, TCU, Texas Tech; North: Iowa St, WVU, Pitt, (insert other ex-Big East team here); Coastal: FSU, Clemson, UNC, Duke

Of course, that's ALL hyperbole and REALLY stretching things... and assuming that the B1G isn't going to go to the newest "insider" (lol) rumor of 20.

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I wondered how long before this would happen.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...ls-sources-say



I was in high school in the years right after the Big east was formed, and that was also the time of the expansion and ibncreased interest in the NCAA tournament. And those original Big East schools (St. John's with Carnesecca, G-town with John Thompson, 'Nova with Rollie Massimino, Seton Hall with PJ Calresimo, plus the 'Cuse and Jim Boeheim) were players every year. That's still the Big East to me, I guess, even though it hasn't really been for some time.
KNEW it was going to happen eventually. When Big East 2.0 went to an 8 and 8 format it was a recipe for disaster. I know they wanted to maintain the basketball school balance but adding Marquette and DePaul when they added USF (who was a nobody at the time), Lousiville, and Cincy (who were both basketball schools) was basically the biggest indicator that the conference didn't take football seriously and that it was just a matter of time before the whole thing fell apart.

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12-11-2012, 12:46 PM
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KNEW it was going to happen eventually. When Big East 2.0 went to an 8 and 8 format it was a recipe for disaster. I know they wanted to maintain the basketball school balance but adding Marquette and DePaul when they added USF (who was a nobody at the time), Lousiville, and Cincy (who were both basketball schools) was basically the biggest indicator that the conference didn't take football seriously and that it was just a matter of time before the whole thing fell apart.
I think that fate was sealed earlier. By the time the ACC pre-emptively raided the Big East and took three fairly prominent football schools, you had the writing on the wall.

Who would the Big East add to make up for the loss of Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College in football? The Big Ten is the behemoth blocking any look to the West, the ACC acted to seal off the Southern route. There just aren't enough big football schools in the East to maintain both the ACC and the Big East as big-time football conferences once one of them decides to go to 12+ members.

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I think that fate was sealed earlier. By the time the ACC pre-emptively raided the Big East and took three fairly prominent football schools, you had the writing on the wall.

Who would the Big East add to make up for the loss of Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College in football? The Big Ten is the behemoth blocking any look to the West, the ACC acted to seal off the Southern route. There just aren't enough big football schools in the East to maintain both the ACC and the Big East as big-time football conferences once one of them decides to go to 12+ members.
Won't disagree with that. Really it all can be traced back to a few things: 1 - the rejection of Paterno's proposed eastern football conference or the 1982 rejection of Penn State when they applied to join the Big East. and 2 - the SEC's adding South Carolina and Arkansas to go to 12 and the SWC/Big 8 merger which led to the 12+ team conference eventually becoming the new standard. Eastern football was just a 3 decade long ticking time bomb after that which just finally detonated completely this past year, wiping out what was left of the old eastern independents that were borderline dominant on the college football scene for years... at least as far as the East Coast goes. Now there flat out isn't a regional power in the east anymore since I consider the Southeast its own region unto itself and frankly ACC football has been struggling for relevancy since FSU started to decline, even with adding a very solid VT program.

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For a conference that gets a lot of ****, at least they didn't put up stinkers every year in BCS bowls like the ACC.

Will be interesting to see what happens...I can see SDSU and Boise staying in the MWC, leaving the ex-CUSA schools and Cincy/UConn/USF/Temple alone on an island.

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In other news, millions of diehard college football fans suddenly remembered that there still was Big East football.

Reached for comment, fans of the SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, and Pac-12 collectively said, "Really.... why?" upon hearing the news of the Big East Conference having football teams. Meanwhile, ACC fans said something, but nobody else cared as it wasn't about basketball.

At press time, fans of Boise State were reportedly crying again.

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The ACC might just end up being a massive basketball conference.

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