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Dougie Hamilton vs Morgan Rielly

View Poll Results: Who would you take?
Dougie Hamilton 316 64.23%
Morgan Rielly 138 28.05%
too close to call 38 7.72%
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11-25-2012, 12:22 AM
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11-25-2012, 12:25 AM
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too close to call.

i don't understand the "ainec" posts given they're not the same type of d-men...they're both very different players.

i like rielly's offensive upside more - however, hamilton is currently (and will always) be a much bigger guy..hamilton needs to learn to use his physical game better (but he is and will be a better physical player than rielly at the NHL level). hamilton is a year older - however, i do not think hamilton was a better prospect this time last year than rielly is right now.

in a "calendar" sense - i think Hamilton will make it to the NHL quicker - but controlling for the year difference b/w the two i see them similarly.

i think both will be great players and while anything can happen re prospect development both players are on a great track right now.

(eta- op said for leafs/bruins fans to refrain from voting - even though i'm from t.o. my "team" is the hawks).

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11-25-2012, 06:58 AM
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Dougie is the top dman prospect in the world

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11-26-2012, 01:52 PM
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Watched him live on sunday, the AINEC comments don't make sense to me, must be from posters who watch neither and judge by stats/propect rankings. Hamilton seemed to have trouble with the gens big forwards for a few shifts, made some excellent passes but had 2 give aways that were brain cramps. He looked good though

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11-26-2012, 03:50 PM
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Dougie is the top dman prospect in the world
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11-29-2012, 05:10 PM
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Rielly. Don't understand the ainec posts..

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11-29-2012, 05:18 PM
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This should be a lot closer. Reilley is really, really good. I voted to close to call.

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11-29-2012, 05:26 PM
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It's funny how much this board buys into the hype of the rankings and 'prospect of the year' on this website. A year ago everyone would be saying Rundblad AINEC in a poll of Rundblad vs Hamilton.

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11-30-2012, 07:46 PM
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I'd say this situation is kinda like the Taylor vs Tyler situation when both of them were in junior. Taylor hall was the top player on a really good team (Hamilton), and Seguin was the top player on an average team (Rielly). Read into it as you please.

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12-01-2012, 05:12 AM
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Leafs couldve had both

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12-01-2012, 08:44 AM
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12-01-2012, 09:54 AM
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I bet most of the these posters havn't seen Rielly play , this poll should be much close..

That's not taking anything away from Hamilton, they're both going to be NHL stars within a few seasons...

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12-01-2012, 10:09 AM
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Agreed. This poll is ridiculous. It should not be this one-sided.

Honestly, how many people desperately want to believe Hamilton is far, far better because the Leafs traded the pick Boston used?

Rielly was drafted higher, and I believe is the more talented player of the two.

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12-01-2012, 10:28 AM
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Agreed. This poll is ridiculous. It should not be this one-sided.

Honestly, how many people desperately want to believe Hamilton is far, far better because the Leafs traded the pick Boston used?
Rielly was drafted higher, and I believe is the more talented player of the two.
And how many Leaf fans desperately want to believe Hamilton will not reach his projected potential because of the trade.

Your act is getting old Roger

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Agreed. This poll is ridiculous. It should not be this one-sided.

Honestly, how many people desperately want to believe Hamilton is far, far better because the Leafs traded the pick Boston used?

Rielly was drafted higher, and I believe is the more talented player of the two.
Agreed Reilly has more raw talent but with Hamilton's combination of size and skill he could end up being the better player. It's way to close to call. D men are so hard to project.

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Agreed. This poll is ridiculous. It should not be this one-sided.

Honestly, how many people desperately want to believe Hamilton is far, far better because the Leafs traded the pick Boston used?

Rielly was drafted higher, and I believe is the more talented player of the two.
Drafted higher in a weaker draft.

Talk to me when Reilly wins Both the OHL (or the equivalent) and the CHL defenceman of the year.

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12-01-2012, 12:29 PM
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Fact still remains that Morgan Rielly has never scored more than 28 points in a season. I realize he's had injuries, but production, production, production is the name of the game.

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12-01-2012, 01:35 PM
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Fact still remains that Morgan Rielly has never scored more than 28 points in a season. I realize he's had injuries, but production, production, production is the name of the game.
The fact that this is used against him is ridiculous Kids played 47 games the last two seasons and has 43 points over that span playing with a terrible Moose Jaw

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Drafted higher in a weaker draft.

Talk to me when Reilly wins Both the OHL (or the equivalent) and the CHL defenceman of the year.
What a pedigree.

2011–12 Dougie Hamilton, Niagara IceDogs
2010–11 Ryan Ellis, Windsor Spitfires
2009–10 David Savard, Moncton Wildcats
2008–09 Jonathon Blum, Vancouver Giants
2007–08 Karl Alzner, Calgary Hitmen
2006–07 Kris Russell, Medicine Hat Tigers
2005–06 Keith Yandle, Moncton Wildcats
2004–05 Danny Syvret, London Knights
2003–04 James Wisniewski, Plymouth Whalers
2002–03 Brendan Bell, Ottawa 67's
2001–02 Dan Hamhuis, Prince George Cougars
2000–01 Marc-Andre Bergeron, Shawinigan Cataractes

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Looooooooooooooooool, I just really took it in.

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What a pedigree.

2011–12 Dougie Hamilton, Niagara IceDogs
2010–11 Ryan Ellis, Windsor Spitfires
2009–10 David Savard, Moncton Wildcats
2008–09 Jonathon Blum, Vancouver Giants
2007–08 Karl Alzner, Calgary Hitmen
2006–07 Kris Russell, Medicine Hat Tigers
2005–06 Keith Yandle, Moncton Wildcats
2004–05 Danny Syvret, London Knights
2003–04 James Wisniewski, Plymouth Whalers
2002–03 Brendan Bell, Ottawa 67's
2001–02 Dan Hamhuis, Prince George Cougars
2000–01 Marc-Andre Bergeron, Shawinigan Cataractes
What!!??

Where's Drew Doughty, Kris Letang, Cam Fowler and Shea Weber?

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Fact still remains that Morgan Rielly has never scored more than 28 points in a season. I realize he's had injuries, but production, production, production is the name of the game.
Weak, weak argument.

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Weak, weak argument.
I don't think so. After all, we are talking about whether or not he is the best drafted defensive prospect in the world. When that is the question we are considering, I think it's fair to bring many more critiques or concerns to the table than we would otherwise do if we were just qualifying a prospect as average, good, or very good. When is the last time an offensive defenseman has been ranked as the #1 defensive prospect in the world having scored a max of 28 points in a season? I'm not sure if there has been one; there may have. Who's to say whether or not he is capable of producing at over a point per game pace for an entire season factoring in the wear and tear a player endures within a 60+ game schedule. He simply hasn't shown it yet. To know fault of his own, I admit. He was injured last year. But I think it's valid to consider it if we are talking about whether or not he is the best in the world, which is basically what we would be saying if we vote him over Dougie Hamilton.

As it is, his production has slowed over the last 15 games and he is averaging less than a half of a point per game. 7 points in his last 15 games.

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I bet most of the these posters havn't seen Rielly play , this poll should be much close..

That's not taking anything away from Hamilton, they're both going to be NHL stars within a few seasons...
I think probably alot of poster think Rielly and Hamilton are close in talent. But if you think Hamilton has a little more talent, even if it's close, you vote for him. If the majority think that, the poll's going to largely favor Hamilton even if people think Rielly isn't far behind.

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I don't think so. After all, we are talking about whether or not he is the best drafted defensive prospect in the world. When that is the question we are considering, I think it's fair to bring many more critiques or concerns to the table than we would otherwise do if we were just qualifying a prospect as average, good, or very good. When is the last time an offensive defenseman has been ranked as the #1 defensive prospect in the world having scored a max of 28 points in a season? I'm not sure if there has been one; there may have. Who's to say whether or not he is capable of producing at over a point per game pace for an entire season factoring in the wear and tear a player endures within a 60+ game schedule. He simply hasn't shown it yet. To know fault of his own, I admit. He was injured last year. But I think it's valid to consider it if we are talking about whether or not he is the best in the world, which is basically what we would be saying if we vote him over Dougie Hamilton.

As it is, his production has slowed over the last 15 games and he is averaging less than a half of a point per game. 7 points in his last 15 games.
This type of thinking has so many flaws. When we talk about best defensive prospect in the league, yes offensive stats are a part of it. But if you are trying to decide which one you would rather have on your team, you probably should look more into what he can do for you during the game, not what he can do after. For team Canada, I really don't care how many points Hamilton has in the OHL, if he doesn't play well in the tournament, I'm not going to have that high of an opinion of him.

What if the numbers are skewed based on how good the team is. Ryan Strome and Brett Ritchie are top 3 in OHL scoring, if you don't think that plays apart in Hamilton's large production numbers then you are lying to yourself. As you can see with the past CHL Defencemen of the year, stats aren't a completely accurate representation of how good a prospect is or how good he can be. It's the talent and skillset as well as the physical attributes that will inevitably determine his success.

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