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11-30-2012, 07:23 PM
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He's essentially a rental though...

I mean we've seen rentals can get great returns and Kipper would surely bring a big one but at the same time you don't sell the farm for a year or 2.
Well no of course not, I never said sell the farm. However giving him away for scraps is ridiculous. More along the lines of Teravainen + condtional 1st (if Chicago gets to the finals) for Kiprusoff.

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11-30-2012, 07:39 PM
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He's essentially a rental though...

I mean we've seen rentals can get great returns and Kipper would surely bring a big one but at the same time you don't sell the farm for a year or 2.
Roster player + prospect + 1st

I'm pretty sure a team would be more then happy to give that up to be instant SC contenders.

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11-30-2012, 07:49 PM
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Well no of course not, I never said sell the farm. However giving him away for scraps is ridiculous. More along the lines of Teravainen + condtional 1st (if Chicago gets to the finals) for Kiprusoff.
Teravainen alone has more value than Kipper. There is no way he returns that high a ceiling prospect.

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Roster player + prospect + 1st

I'm pretty sure a team would be more then happy to give that up to be instant SC contenders.
Depends on the roster player. I doubt Chicago would consider anything involving Leddy or Bolland and the big six should be obviously off the table. Frankly, I doubt Kipper gets more than a b-prospect and a late first.

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11-30-2012, 07:56 PM
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Teravainen alone has more value than Kipper. There is no way he returns that high a ceiling prospect.
Maybe, but the value of adding the missing piece to their puzzle (something they've been lacking for years) is quite big also. You put Kiprusoff on Chicago and they become Cup favorites IMO. Teravainen still has a long way to go.

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12-01-2012, 01:19 PM
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Maybe, but the value of adding the missing piece to their puzzle (something they've been lacking for years) is quite big also. You put Kiprusoff on Chicago and they become Cup favorites IMO. Teravainen still has a long way to go.
Can't see the hawks doing it, if kipper had a few more years left, for sure! McNeil + Beach add size, should be solid 3rd liners at worst and they're still young

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12-01-2012, 01:28 PM
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Really? Kipper isnt exactly a young gun anymore and while he does probably have a few more good seasons ahead of him I'd have to think the Leafs aren't going to trade away future assets for an aging goalie.

The first team that comes to mind if Kipper is going to be dealt would be the Blackhawks. A team built to contend, just a solid goalie away from becoming probably one of the favourites for the cup. I dont know the Blackhawks well enough to shoot up an offer, and my analysis of their need for Kipper could be wrong but that's just an outsiders' perspective.

Maybe something along the lines of McNeil + 1st for Kipper or Saad + 2nd? I really dont know their prospects well enough so Im probably off.
Hawks aren't moving Saad

And wont move a 1st + McNeill for 1 yr of Kipper

If Hawks go after a goalie it will be younger one with longterm potential (Bernier type)

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12-01-2012, 01:40 PM
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Hawks aren't moving Saad

And wont move a 1st + McNeill for 1 yr of Kipper

If Hawks go after a goalie it will be younger one with longterm potential (Bernier type)
An unproven, long term solution, that will likely carry a higher price tag and may not pan out. How about McNeil + Beach/Olsen

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12-01-2012, 01:41 PM
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I would move Kipper for Kadri straight up.

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12-01-2012, 02:01 PM
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I would move Kipper for Kadri straight up.
And the reasonable Flames fans begin to arrive.

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12-01-2012, 02:25 PM
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I would move Kipper for Kadri straight up.
I would give this serious thought.

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12-01-2012, 02:29 PM
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And the reasonable Flames fans begin to arrive.
I think most Flame fans are to attached to Kipper to see what his value really is. He may still be a top 10 goalie but realistically only has a few years left. It seems like a prefect fit for both teams as Kipper can help the young goalies in TO find their game and slowly be brought in and while Kadri hasn't made the jump to the nhl yet, he still possess tons of skill and plays the one position we need skill more than any other(center).

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I think most Flame fans are to attached to Kipper to see what his value really is. He may still be a top 10 goalie but realistically only has a few years left. It seems like a prefect fit for both teams as Kipper can help the young goalies in TO find their game and slowly be brought in and while Kadri hasn't made the jump to the nhl yet, he still possess tons of skill and plays the one position we need skill more than any other(center).
How many years do you think Kipper has left, and, does he have a NTC?

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12-01-2012, 02:34 PM
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An unproven, long term solution, that will likely carry a higher price tag and may not pan out. How about McNeil + Beach/Olsen
How about Olsen/Beach + Crawford

1 yr of Kipper at his age/salary is not worth McNeill or 1st let alone both

And would rather take a chance on a young guy at higher price then 1 yr of Kipper at same high price

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12-01-2012, 02:49 PM
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How many years do you think Kipper has left, and, does he have a NTC?
It's Calgary.

Everyone has a NTC.

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12-01-2012, 02:53 PM
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I figured most Flames fan wouldn't be jumping out of their pants for my proposal.

We need to be realistic about Kippers value though. He is not going to bring back a blue-chip prospect, or a high level 1st. Maybe if this is the 2014 trade deadline, Toronto would include their 1st (if they are in playoff range)? There will also only be a handful of teams looking for a goalie like Kipper.

My trade was more based around an off-season situation.

The other factor we could modify is Reimer, I included him to keep goalie levels on both teams even, maybe Reimer would be a great backup behind Kipper though, and Toronto would be more interested in moving a skater. Possibly Jesse Blacker or Nazem Kadri?

So:

Kipper

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Colborne
Kadri/Blacker
Cond. 3rd

How about that? Certainly helps Calgary's cupboard.
of the 2 I think burke deals blacker over kadri in this deal

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I think most Flame fans are to attached to Kipper to see what his value really is. He may still be a top 10 goalie but realistically only has a few years left. It seems like a prefect fit for both teams as Kipper can help the young goalies in TO find their game and slowly be brought in and while Kadri hasn't made the jump to the nhl yet, he still possess tons of skill and plays the one position we need skill more than any other(center).
kadri has been converted to wing

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How many years do you think Kipper has left, and, does he have a NTC?

His no trade expired this year he can be traded, and I believe he has 3 years of top 15-20 goalie ability left and with the right defense could be a serviceable starter for as many as 5.

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kadri has been converted to wing
I believe his game is better suited to center, he seems more comfortable in the center of the ice from what I have seen in the AHL the last 2 years. Even if only plays wing for the Flames he would have a another great winger to play with in Sven.

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How about Olsen/Beach + Crawford

1 yr of Kipper at his age/salary is not worth McNeill or 1st let alone both

And would rather take a chance on a young guy at higher price then 1 yr of Kipper at same high price
Crawford+1st and we add Babchuck who could help fix the leagues second worst pp from last year.

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His no trade expired this year he can be traded, and I believe he has 3 years of top 15-20 goalie ability left and with the right defense could be a serviceable starter for as many as 5.
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Kipper is 36 yrs old with alot of mileage

Doubt he is a serviceable start into his 40's

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Crawford+1st and we add Babchuck who could help fix the leagues second worst pp from last year.
Babchuk is awful defensively and isn't some great PP specialist so his negatives outway his benefits

I see no interest in Hawks moving a 1st for a 36 yr old goalie who would be UFA in a year

Crawford + some 2nd tier prospect (Beach , etc) is best I see Hawks offering for him

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Kipper is 36 yrs old with alot of mileage

Doubt he is a serviceable start into his 40's



Babchuk is awful defensively and isn't some great PP specialist so his negatives outway his benefits

I see no interest in Hawks moving a 1st for a 36 yr old goalie who would be UFA in a year

Crawford + some 2nd tier prospect (Beach , etc) is best I see Hawks offering for him
People have been saying Kipper will slow down for years, I am not saying he will be as good as he is now but in 4 years he could very well play 50 games and put up great numbers.

We have several young goalies as well as Ramo that could become Crawford in a few years the 2nd tier prospect doesn't bring anything we don't already have so that offer does nothing for us.

For instance Leland Irving seems to be about the same calibre that Crawford was in the AHL Irving has a SV% of .909 and a GAA of 2.28 in the AHL and in the AHL Crawford had a SV% of .908 and a GAA of 2.62. Both goalies had small stints in the nhl at 23 and both impressed, Crawford didn't make in the nhl full time until he was 25 it would make more sense to move Kipper for a prospect at a different position or a 1st and roll the dice on Irving.

Babchuck was an average #5 defenseman defensively when he first got to Calgary then he somehow ended up in Sutter's dog house and was never given a chance again. He has a deadly shot that would definitely help the Hawks pp.


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The Leafs and flames do have a history of big trades phaneuf gilmour etc so it wouldn't shock me to see them hook up again and as somebody who lives in alberta and gets to watch a lot of oiler and flames games i very VERY comfortable in saying kipper has not and is not declining in the slightest the same cannot be said for the team in front of him.

Put him on a team like the leafs who for all their issues 90% of which would be solved by kipper can atleast score and I think Toronto would be a VERY dangerous team

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Luongo for Kiprusoff ?

deal or no deal ?

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Luongo for Kiprusoff ?

deal or no deal ?
This is a joke right? I wouldn't want him or his contract anywhere near Calgary.

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Luongo for Kiprusoff ?

deal or no deal ?
I'd pass only because of the contract.

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This is a joke right? I wouldn't want him or his contract anywhere near Calgary.
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I'd pass only because of the contract.
Do you evaluate Kiprusoff's value superior to Luongo one?

(my personal opinion on the question is: it will depends on the outcome of the lockout and the next CBA. Doing the trade now would be a gamble.)

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