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12-01-2012, 02:55 PM
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Seeing this player killed his girlfriend before taking the gun on himself, it could be that his girlfriend was going to leave him and he couldn't handle it. Maybe he caught her cheating on him? We may never the whole story.
I heard somewhere that their relationship was described as "off and on" so who knows.

Right now there's just not enough details out there for anyone to really figure out what drove him to do this. You could make a ton of assumptions based on any detail we have.

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12-01-2012, 02:58 PM
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I heard somewhere that their relationship was described as "off and on" so who knows.

Right now there's just not enough details out there for anyone to really figure out what drove him to do this. You could make a ton of assumptions based on any detail we have.
Who cares what there relationship status was , etc!

He took a young mothers life ,, There is nothing on this earth that justifies it or makes it an understandable judgement

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12-01-2012, 02:59 PM
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There is no whole story that could somehow justify it, he killed his girlfriend and then himself. He was a piece of trash.
What if she pulled the gun on him and he managed to wrestle it away from her, shot her, then so overcome with the guilt of doing that in survival-mode, he kills himself, but first thanks the coach and GM who took a chance on him out of college?

Probably not the case, but we might never know, I'm not going to jump to conclusions though.

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12-01-2012, 03:00 PM
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Or she did nothing and was murdered for no reason

Simple fact is he took life of a young women who in no way deserved to be taken from this earth. He also has ruined the life of her family/that child who will grow up without a mother (And father) and who knows how much harm he has inflicted upon coaches/teammates who saw him take his own life
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There is no whole story that could somehow justify it, he killed his girlfriend and then himself. He was a piece of trash.
Keep in mind that I never said the girlfriend deserved to be killed here, just made some suggestions to why this piece of **** did what he did. If this ******* was still alive, then he deserved to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

So many lives are ruined and I can only hope that whatever help those affected by this will be able to get them to overcome what has happened in their lives. Hopefully, both the Chiefs organizaion and the NFL can assist all of those involed with whatever means possible.

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12-01-2012, 03:02 PM
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What if she pulled the gun on him and he managed to wrestle it away from her, shot her, then so overcome with the guilt of doing that in survival-mode, he kills himself, but first thanks the coach and GM who took a chance on him out of college?

Probably not the case, but we might never know, I'm not going to jump to conclusions though.
I'll have to re-read the articles but it appears that the mother of the girlfriend witnessed everything and the story given by her is that her daughter is the victim.

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12-01-2012, 03:02 PM
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Is there any understanding as to what drove him to do this?
Does it matter? Two people are dead and the staff and players that witnessed the sucicide will never be the same. Knowing why he did it doesn't change/justify anything.

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Who cares what there relationship status was , etc!

He took a young mothers life ,, There is nothing on this earth that justifies it or makes it an understandable judgement
No one's trying to justify it at all. There's a reason why this happened and what drove him to do it, just because people are trying to find out what it was doesn't mean they're defending his actions and trying to justify it.

Still don't know how they're playing this game tomorrow. Just cancel it. I feel awful for the families and the kid that's left behind parentless.

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12-01-2012, 03:03 PM
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What if she pulled the gun on him and he managed to wrestle it away from her, shot her, then so overcome with the guilt of doing that in survival-mode, he kills himself, but first thanks the coach and GM who took a chance on him out of college?

Probably not the case, but we might never know, I'm not going to jump to conclusions though.
Pretty sure we'd already know about that. His girlfriend's mother was there. But I'd still have no sympathy for him. He is an NFL linebacker, capable of taking care of himself and not having to shoot anyone.

This guy is NOT the victim.

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12-01-2012, 03:06 PM
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Or it is just another guy killing his GF and himself

Seriously the media/etc jumping to conclusions of concussion is absurd.. We have murder/suicides in regular society often and those people dont have concussion issues

And it is a cop out to use concussions as reasoning for this
I'm just speculating, obviously.

But the correlation between getting your brains scrambled for a living and severe mental health issues is getting more clear by the day with research. You can't discount the possibility.

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Or it is just another guy killing his GF and himself

Seriously the media/etc jumping to conclusions of concussion is absurd.. We have murder/suicides in regular society often and those people dont have concussion issues

And it is a cop out to use concussions as reasoning for this
Agreed 100 percent. So sick of fabricated narratives about concussions leading to suicide by lazy media and fans.

As for today's events, horrible tragedy for all affected. I am fine for the game being played as everyone deals with these situations differently so whatever choice is made will be the wrong and right one at the same time.

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Does it matter? Two people are dead and the staff and players that witnessed the sucicide will never be the same. Knowing why he did it doesn't change/justify anything.
Except if this punk was still alive and going to trial, a motive would have to be established to why he killed his girlfriend in order to make a case to the jury that the boyfriend is guilty beyond a resonable doubt.

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Agreed 100 percent. So sick of fabricated narratives about concussions leading to suicide by lazy media and fans.

As for today's events, horrible tragedy for all affected. I am fine for the game being played as everyone deals with these situations differently so whatever choice is made will be the wrong and right one at the same time.
Lol fabricated? You don't have any idea what you're talking about.

The peer reviewed research that has come out in recent years is very clear... concussive and sub-concussive blows to the head over a span of years can result in serious mental illness. Suicide is the fatal symptom of mental illness.

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12-01-2012, 03:18 PM
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Lol fabricated? You don't have any idea what you're talking about.

The peer reviewed research that has come out in recent years is very clear... concussive and sub-concussive blows to the head over a span of years can result in serious mental illness. Suicide is the fatal symptom of mental illness.
And this guy murdered someone

And there is no evidance of depression or any concusion related issues

In Chicago we just had a guy kill his cousin with scissors for breaking his Marvel Comic drinking glass...... Murder doesn't require mental illness

The conclusion of media to jump to concussions as reason for this crime is the issue that is bothersome to me and I imagine others...

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1. The mother is not going to paint her recently deceased daughter as someone who facilitated these actions. Her eye-witness testimony is not credible and if you look at any peer-reviewed research done on eye-witness testimony, especially with heavy trauma, the information you get is far from credible or reliable.
2. He should be able to take care of himself but that doesn't mean anything can't happen in the heat of the moment when a gun threatens your life.
3. Regardless of who did what, who killed who, and who is to responsible. Pointing fingers is a mindless, pointless game, the motive resolves nothing, an autopsy will hopefully be done to see if there was any damage to his brain that could have caused this.
4. Everyone here is a victim. Two people are dead. A child is left without parents. Two families have lost loved ones. Three individuals witnessed the death of someone they cared for. Hundreds of people are now coping with a sudden loss. Can we stop throwing around the negative words that are meant to degrade the dead when NONE of us here have the slightest indication of what occured, not during the murders, not in their heads, not in the bubbling cauldron of their social lives.
5. The problem is that somewhere along the line, someone thought that murder, the attempt or threat of death, was the ONLY way to resolve the issues. This is the fundamental issue with society right now. Mental illness, depression, they are all considered weaknesses, especially in males, so we don't admit to it, we don't seek help. There are plenty of ways to resolve unconscious or conscious feelings of guilt, rage or anger that can lead to mental illnesses, or temporary homocidal/suicidal impulses. Unfortunately, we, as friends, families, society, don't see the signs, don't do a good enough job of allowing people to be sad, to be afraid, to seek HELP.

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And this guy murdered someone

And there is no evidance of depression or any concusion related issues

In Chicago we just had a guy kill his cousin with scissors for breaking his Marvel Comic drinking glass...... Murder doesn't require mental illness

The conclusion of media to jump to concussions as reason for this crime is the issue that is bothersome to me and I imagine others...
That seems pretty mental to me.

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Tragic story all around.


....and yes. A lot of people with mental issues commit horrible acts.

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4. Everyone here is a victim. .
This Chief player is not a victim ,, I refuse to accept him as one and the NFL better not hold a moment of silence for him

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LOL at people blaming this on concussions.

RIP to the girlfriend and prayers to her friends/family/their child.

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While the evidence between suicide and concussions is pretty clear, does anyone know if he's actually had a concussion diagnosed?

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Wikipedia says he shot himself infront of Cheifs Coach & GM. No idea if this is true, but if so Its Wikipedia, so I won't jump to conclusions, but that is really tragic if so, for everyone that witnessed it.
It was in the ESPN article

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While the evidence between suicide and concussions is pretty clear, does anyone know if he's actually had a concussion diagnosed?
There has been no evidence of concussions leading to murder ,, So again I fail to see how it comes into play here

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Too early to link anything

Let's wait until the facts come out and not jump to conclusions here

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There has been no evidence of concussions leading to murder ,, So again I fail to see how it comes into play here
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Concussions are brain damage. Brain damage can cause the sufferer to act irrationally. Murder is an irrational act. I don't see how it's so hard to see a connection, unless you just don't want to see it.

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There has been no evidence of concussions leading to murder ,, So again I fail to see how it comes into play here
Because there have been numerous instances of athletes/former athletes with concussion history acting erratically. Many suicides over the years.

It will definitely come up at one point or another. Doesn't mean it absolves him of his actions. Unfortunately, murder of a significant other is not uncommon in the country.

When you think of someone committing this act, it's hard to say they don't have some type of mental issues. Otherwise, anyone is capable of it under the right circumstances. Unless we want to say they are just plain evil.

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