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12-01-2012, 01:54 AM
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Horrible analysis. In addition to the inexplicable notion that passes thrown to No. 1 receivers don't count (let's wipe out all of Montana's completions to Rice while we're at it), you ignore the fact that Dalton is only in his second year and has made enormous strides since last season.

Fitzpatrick has a better TD/INT ratio than last season, which is nice, but he's stagnating otherwise. His biggest problem is that he's completely unable to throw downfield, evidenced by his 27th-place yards-per-attempt ranking and the fact that he's the least accurate QB on passes over 20 yards by a large margin. The only QBs with lower YPAs are Cassel, Kolb, Hasselbeck, Weeden, Ponder, Gabbert and Skelton. It's fitting that Fitzpatrick is in their company because all of them are terrible.

Back to Dalton's clear progress...

Dalton as a rookie: 58.1 completion percentage, 6.59 YPA, 1.25 TDs per game, .81 INTs per game

Dalton this year: 63.4 completion percentage, 7.4 YPA, 2.09 TDs per game, 1.00 INTs per game

One guy is improving significantly and making his way into the upper tier of NFL QBs; the other is stuck in mediocrity and will never escape it.
Except we were talking about what was more important drafting a #1 WR or a QB...... hence the reason why I took away the stats from the #1 WR.... but you can't say any QB is stagnant when they aren't working with an elite WR.

Josh Freeman is doing great with V. Jackson this year.... P. Rivers isn't doing to good without him.

Eli Manning wasn't an elite QB until Cruz got there. Shall we look at Brady's stats before and after Welker? It's a joke to just assume that QB make WR good. Reggie Wayne and Peyton Manning are having great years (without each other!). I can give you multiple examples of QB that are good that get an elite WR and become elite themselves. Dalton is in his second year and has A.J Green to lead on.... THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT THE NEXT BILLS QB TO BE ABLE TO DO!!

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Byrd, Levitre and Moore yes.

McKelvin no unless hes a special teamer only.
I would like to see him back as 90% Special Team. Could play slot vs. 4 WR sets too.

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12-01-2012, 07:52 AM
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Except we were talking about what was more important drafting a #1 WR or a QB...... hence the reason why I took away the stats from the #1 WR.... but you can't say any QB is stagnant when they aren't working with an elite WR.

Josh Freeman is doing great with V. Jackson this year.... P. Rivers isn't doing to good without him.

Eli Manning wasn't an elite QB until Cruz got there. Shall we look at Brady's stats before and after Welker? It's a joke to just assume that QB make WR good. Reggie Wayne and Peyton Manning are having great years (without each other!). I can give you multiple examples of QB that are good that get an elite WR and become elite themselves. Dalton is in his second year and has A.J Green to lead on.... THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT THE NEXT BILLS QB TO BE ABLE TO DO!!
You just lost me.

Cruz wasn't an elite prospect or anything close, is it not reasonable to say he may have reached those heights thanks to Eli? I won't even touch the Brady comparison because that's just a joke.

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12-01-2012, 11:06 AM
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You just lost me.

Cruz wasn't an elite prospect or anything close, is it not reasonable to say he may have reached those heights thanks to Eli? I won't even touch the Brady comparison because that's just a joke.
Brady:
2006 61.8% 3,529yds 24td 12int

2007: 68.9% 4,806yrds 50td 8int

Before Welker: 62% 3593yrds 24.5td 13int (Average Season)
After Welker: 66.5% 4585yrds 38.25td 9.25int

But in other news a Chief player committed suicide in their practice facility today.

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Brady:
2006 61.8% 3,529yds 24td 12int

2007: 68.9% 4,806yrds 50td 8int

Before Welker: 62% 3593yrds 24.5td 13int (Average Season)
After Welker: 66.5% 4585yrds 38.25td 9.25int

But in other news a Chief player committed suicide in their practice facility today.


Brady makes Welker useful. Brady made a guy like Branch useful. Hell he makes a guy like Julian Freaking Edelman useful. To believe that Brady isn't on of the best QBs of all time without Wes Welker, is just bat**** insane.

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Brady:
2006 61.8% 3,529yds 24td 12int

2007: 68.9% 4,806yrds 50td 8int

Before Welker: 62% 3593yrds 24.5td 13int (Average Season)
After Welker: 66.5% 4585yrds 38.25td 9.25int

But in other news a Chief player committed suicide in their practice facility today.
Lol. I guess Gronk sucks because the 1st game Brady had without him was his best game all season

Brady makes Welker. He makes everyone around him, without Brady the Pats are bottom feeders. I would literally give 10 1st rounders for even 3-4 years of a 36 year old Brady.

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Is the bills game blackes out in Canada too?

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Lol. I guess Gronk sucks because the 1st game Brady had without him was his best game all season

Brady makes Welker. He makes everyone around him, without Brady the Pats are bottom feeders. I would literally give 10 1st rounders for even 3-4 years of a 36 year old Brady.
what? Brady didnt have a better game against the jets than the colts.

You guys just continue to fail yo see the importance of a number 1 wr. If the Bills select a QB that isnt Smith or Barkley in the first three rounds than dont expect them to make the playoffs for atleast 4 more years (unless ofcourse they sign or trade for one)

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Brady:
2006 61.8% 3,529yds 24td 12int

2007: 68.9% 4,806yrds 50td 8int

Before Welker: 62% 3593yrds 24.5td 13int (Average Season)
After Welker: 66.5% 4585yrds 38.25td 9.25int

But in other news a Chief player committed suicide in their practice facility today.
Look at what Welker did in the league before coming to NE and tell me it was him that made Brady and not the other way around. You're really reaching.

You want to use the Vincent Jackson example? Freeman's numbers are better than what he produced in a slump last year but still down from his 2010 season. Philip Rivers' number almost identical to last season.

Show of hands, who had heard of Demaryius Thomas before Peyton showed up in Denver?

Continuing with Manning, what ever happened to Dallas Clark?

2009 (with Peyton): 16 games - 100 rec, 1106 yds, 10 TD
2010 (injury shortened w/ Peyton): 6 games - 37 rec, 347 yds, 3 TD
2011 (with nobody at QB): 11 games - 34 rec, 342 yds, 2 TD
2012 (in Tampa): 11 games - 31 rec, 320 yds, 3 TD

So he had almost identical stats in 6 games with Peyton compared to 11 without him the following season.

How's Robert Meacham doing without Drew Brees?

Supposed "elite" receiver Steve Smith: 14 games - 46 rec, 554 yards, 2 TD with Jimmy Clausen. Next season, with Cam Newton: 16 games - 79 rec, 1394 yds, 7 TD.

We could go on for days.

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Look at what Welker did in the league before coming to NE and tell me it was him that made Brady and not the other way around. You're really reaching.

You want to use the Vincent Jackson example? Freeman's numbers are better than what he produced in a slump last year but still down from his 2010 season. Philip Rivers' number almost identical to last season.

Show of hands, who had heard of Demaryius Thomas before Peyton showed up in Denver?

Continuing with Manning, what ever happened to Dallas Clark?

2009 (with Peyton): 16 games - 100 rec, 1106 yds, 10 TD
2010 (injury shortened w/ Peyton): 6 games - 37 rec, 347 yds, 3 TD
2011 (with nobody at QB): 11 games - 34 rec, 342 yds, 2 TD
2012 (in Tampa): 11 games - 31 rec, 320 yds, 3 TD

So he had almost identical stats in 6 games with Peyton compared to 11 without him the following season.

How's Robert Meacham doing without Drew Brees?

Supposed "elite" receiver Steve Smith: 14 games - 46 rec, 554 yards, 2 TD with Jimmy Clausen. Next season, with Cam Newton: 16 games - 79 rec, 1394 yds, 7 TD.

We could go on for days.

Oh no.... Welker and Moss made that 50TD season possible for Brader way and not the other way around ( but I guess we can wait and see next year when New England hopefully doesn't resign him)

D. Thomas caught that bomb from Tebow last year to beat Pittsburgh..... Tebow.... you know the QB that "can't throw the call".... and Peyton Manning is a rare exception because he teaches his WR how to play.... Thomas now uses hand motions when he is about to break his route. Eric Decker is probably a bit more surprising to me.

Dallas Clark has lost a step. Its pretty obvious if you've watched him the last couple years

Robert Meacham s***s. A 1st round pick that got over-shadowed in an offense that prides itself in having a bunch of good receivers, one great WR and arguably best Tight End.... Buffalo should be glad they didn't sign this clown.

Steve Smith had a good year last year..... and right back on track to have 3tds this year..... this tends to happen when you go from a soft schedule one season to a harder one this year.

Oh and back to V. Jackson.... Rivers tds are down from last year..... ints up but since Freeman had a "slump" year last year maybe Rivers had the same.... you know because before last year he averaged 30td and 10ints a year.... and Floyd and Alexander are pretty good imo....


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Is the bills game blacked out in Canada too?
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Anyone know?
Russ Brandon said on WGR this week that the Toronto game will be on TV.

Edit: nevermind, I totally misread your question. Beer and all.

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I don't think blackout rules apply to Canada.

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IIRC, it's blacked out anywhere that's within 75 miles of the Ralph.

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IIRC, it's blacked out anywhere that's within 75 miles of the Ralph.
Ummm okay toronto is further than that I think...

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Bills home games are blacked out in the Buffalo; Rochester; Syracuse; Erie, Pa.; Hamilton, Ont.; and Toronto TV market

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Bills home games are blacked out in the Buffalo; Rochester; Syracuse; Erie, Pa.; Hamilton, Ont.; and Toronto TV market
****... Well I guess I can stream it

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what? Brady didnt have a better game against the jets than the colts.

You guys just continue to fail yo see the importance of a number 1 wr. If the Bills select a QB that isnt Smith or Barkley in the first three rounds than dont expect them to make the playoffs for atleast 4 more years (unless ofcourse they sign or trade for one)
Uhh Brady scored 4 TDs against the Jets (3 pass 1 rush) compared to only 3 pass TDs against the Colts.My point is still true, Brady is the best player in the league and makes every single player around him better, not the other way around. Brady could put up these numbers with the worst receiving core in the league.

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Fitzpatrick may have the worst arm of any QB in the NFL......including practice rosters. He simply can't throw the ball downfield so it doesn't matter if yoy draft a great receiver because the opposition's safeties can play in without any fear of being beaten over the top. There is very little room out there to make plays and it is a testament to Gailey's creative playcalling and Fitzpatrick intelligence that they are able to do anything at all.

Fitzpatrick would make a great backup but he is a terrible starter. This team is a couple of LB's and a decent QB from really turning things around.

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Oh no.... Welker and Moss made that 50TD season possible for Brader way and not the other way around ( but I guess we can wait and see next year when New England hopefully doesn't resign him)
I'm fairly confident I don't need to do any more defending of Brady. You're simply wrong.

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D. Thomas caught that bomb from Tebow last year to beat Pittsburgh..... Tebow.... you know the QB that "can't throw the call".... and Peyton Manning is a rare exception because he teaches his WR how to play.... Thomas now uses hand motions when he is about to break his route. Eric Decker is probably a bit more surprising to me.
How is that single play relavant to the conversation we're having? At the same point, Thomas has double the production this season with Manning as he had last season with Tebow. That's what matters, not one singular play in the playoffs.

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Dallas Clark has lost a step. Its pretty obvious if you've watched him the last couple years
Yes, that is clear. My point is that his production was cut in half from one season to the next when going from Manning to someone else. You don't lose THAT much of a step in one year.

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Robert Meacham s***s. A 1st round pick that got over-shadowed in an offense that prides itself in having a bunch of good receivers, one great WR and arguably best Tight End.... Buffalo should be glad they didn't sign this clown.
That's kind of my point. Drew Brees made him into a viable receiver.

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Steve Smith had a good year last year..... and right back on track to have 3tds this year..... this tends to happen when you go from a soft schedule one season to a harder one this year.
Conveniently exclude the fact that Steve Smith is still on pace for 1100+ yards and 70+ receptions. Very small step back from last year but it's not comparable to the 554 yards he put up the season before, without Cam Newton.

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Oh and back to V. Jackson.... Rivers tds are down from last year..... ints up but since Freeman had a "slump" year last year maybe Rivers had the same.... you know because before last year he averaged 30td and 10ints a year.... and Floyd and Alexander are pretty good imo....
His pace currently stands at 26.2 TD/20.3 INT, nearly identical to his 27 TD/20 INT of last season.

As far as the "slump", possibly. I'm fairly confident in saying Freeman did have a slump since there was noticeable regression from the season before and his production is back-up this season. As for Rivers, who knows....maybe he did simply have a slump last year.

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I was talking with a friend about the Toronto game this year. Is Marshawn Lynch allowed to cross the border into Canada? I remember this being an issue before he left Buffalo with his DUI.

This is what Trip Advisor has: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g1...nvictions.html

Also, does anyone know if all the players need to get passports before they cross the border? I assume they do. Seems like a hassle for the other team.

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Are there any online feeds you can watch on?

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Nevermind got it, early TD for buffalo

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Our 3rd down defense is a depressing joke

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I think it's funny how excited John Murphy gets on the radio calling plays....Not sure how he does it....Jackson just ran for like 5 yards for a first down - Bills were around their own 25 yard line....You would have thought the Bills scored a touchdown, lol...

He must be on the juice.

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