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12'/13' Marlies Part I|24-14-2-2|Colborne and Ashton stepping up?

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11-28-2012, 05:56 PM
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Par for the course on the Leaf board. Quick to bring players up to the Leafs when they play well and have potential, quick to discard players when they are struggling. Joe has NHL talent, and should find his way eventually. A little patience can go a long way.
Agreed. Look what it did (is doing?) for Matt Frattin.

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11-28-2012, 06:51 PM
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We shouldn't NEED him, and should have the resources to be able to let prospects develop. Up your game Burkie. Get us that 1C.

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He was absolutely invisible today.

Well there's no rush.

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12-01-2012, 10:33 PM
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Didn't notice him at all tbh.

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We shouldn't NEED him, and should have the resources to be able to let prospects flounder. Up your game Burkie. Get us that 1C.
Colborne hasn't done anything but regress and flounder since last fall.

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12-01-2012, 10:59 PM
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He'll get there guys, everyone takes their sweet time. Relax.

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12-01-2012, 11:04 PM
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He'll get there guys, everyone takes their sweet time. Relax.
I agree, I'm pretty high on him, you don't see many guys his size with his skill and vision.

I'm pretty confident he'll put it all together and be a good 2nd liner. I mean getting used to his size and body takes much longer then the average player. A lot of people disagree, but I see him as a 20G 40A guy

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12-01-2012, 11:09 PM
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I agree, I'm pretty high on him, you don't see many guys his size with his skill and vision.

I'm pretty confident he'll put it all together and be a good 2nd liner. I mean getting used to his size and body takes much longer then the average player. A lot of people disagree, but I see him as a 20G 40A guy
Ideally thats where I envision him as well, he might not be there for us immediately like we want. However he'll get there, he has too much skill to pass up on.

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12-01-2012, 11:29 PM
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Colborne hasn't done anything but regress and flounder since last fall.
Well I certainly agree. Tonight was probably the most invisible I've seen him all season.

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12-02-2012, 11:47 AM
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Went to the last 2 games. and dear god is Joe not into it at all.

Plenty of times he could have used his size to run over some guys , but he takes the easy route on every play it seems.

Good to see Eakins behind the bench making the right calls with his players ice time. I hope Joe is in the pressbox tonight. Mckegg didn't look too bad in Rochester.

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12-02-2012, 12:23 PM
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Went to the last 2 games. and dear god is Joe not into it at all.

Plenty of times he could have used his size to run over some guys , but he takes the easy route on every play it seems.

Good to see Eakins behind the bench making the right calls with his players ice time. I hope Joe is in the pressbox tonight. Mckegg didn't look too bad in Rochester.
Press box helped out Kadri...big time.

I am not so hopeful with this kid. He is massive but doesn't use it.

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12-02-2012, 12:26 PM
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The problem is we aren't behind the scenes.

He hid those injuries pretty well from us last year and we aren't Eakins.Bottom line is we weren't expecting him to make the bigs this year anyway.Kadri and Frattin seem to be the the next in line and I don't see any room for big Joe right now.I'm sure Eakins will speak up when the heat gets a bit heavy on him.Loss of confidence maybe?

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12-02-2012, 01:26 PM
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The difference between Colborne and Kadri is engagement and hard work. Kadri has many days where once the puck is by him, he slows down or turns away. But there are times when Kadri is right in the play as well.

Even when Colborne is putting up points, I don't see him engaging enough. Too soft on the puck and the man and very perimeter. He has the size and the skill, but the feet and hard work aren't there. If you could combine the two players, then wow!

If this were the old NHL, Colborne would still make it despite his downfalls, on his size alone, while Kadri, if not putting up points, likely wouldn't. Now that the game's emphasis is more on speed and skill, Kadri is more likely to make it despite his weakneses, while Colborne will be an AHL lifer if this continues. No team has time anymore for a player of his size who uses none of it.

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12-02-2012, 02:20 PM
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My opinion on Colborne hasn't changed much this year, but I wasn't high on him last year either. Actually watching him play in the NHL and AHL last year, I really didn't get why people were pencilling him in as a future 2nd line or even 1st line centre for us. There were people talking about how they couldn't wait to "upgrade" our #2C spot from Grabo to Colborne, which was just insane. Colborne has size and skill, but he's slow and soft, and most of all he just has trouble keeping up with the play. Great players are always one step ahead of the opposition, pressuring them quickly and cutting off passing lanes pre-emptively, while Colborne always looks one step behind the opposition, just chasing the puck.

Last year I said numerous times that I wasn't convinced he'd ever be a full time NHLer, and I feel the same way now. I'm sure he'll get over his current slump, and return to being a fairly solid and productive AHLer, but I don't really see him becoming an NHLer. I don't see top 6 talent, and I don't see bottom 6 toughness/hustle/2-way play. He could maybe be a decent 3rd liner if we go with 3 offensive lines, but even that I see as a bit of a stretch. The only time he's looked really impressive in the AHL is October of last year, when him and Crabb were tearing it up together, but I think a lot of that was Colborne feeding off Crabb.


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12-02-2012, 02:26 PM
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I agree, I'm pretty high on him, you don't see many guys his size with his skill and vision.

I'm pretty confident he'll put it all together and be a good 2nd liner. I mean getting used to his size and body takes much longer then the average player. A lot of people disagree, but I see him as a 20G 40A guy
20/40 in the NHL would be surprising in my opining. He never performed to this level so far in his career and his production has gone down this year. He'll probably flop, that's why Boston gave up on him.

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12-02-2012, 04:00 PM
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Not high on him at all anymore. When we first got him I was excited, and then he had a great start to last year.

Then he wavered and the play dropped and now he continues to do very little at the AHL level.

he's 22, very close to being a flop guys.

Difference between him and Kadri, I 've seen Kadri's potential showing at the NHL level, he has that NHL skill, and can actually put alot of energy in his game. Colborne tends to float around and doesn't hit hard at all, which isn't good for a 6'5 player.

I personally wouldn't care if we traded him for a later pick, but I can understand keeping him around for the marlies. he's slowly turning into a career AHLer IMO or at best a 3rd line/depth forward.

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12-02-2012, 04:02 PM
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I know it's not everything, but doesn't he have like 2G in his last 50 games or something? Injury aside, that's not very promising at the moment.

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12-02-2012, 06:37 PM
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The argument that "he is young, give him a break" does have much merit. If it did, what would the point of watching and analyzing prospects be?

I watch Joe Colborne and if I were a scout I simply would not grade him highly. He would not be on any priority list of players I'd recommend to acquire and it's pretty boring and useless to say "he's young give him a break".

I've watched Kadri struggle but due to the amount of talent and ability he shows, I'll give him a break because he is young but you cannot just say that for every prospect.

If Joe Colborne were moved I wouldnt be upset at all.

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12-03-2012, 10:10 AM
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Colborne is just slow......and his hands have disappeared. No time to waste with this guy. Trade him.

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12-03-2012, 10:17 AM
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Colborne is just slow......and his hands have disappeared. No time to waste with this guy. Trade him.
Trade him for what?

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Trade him for what?
Maybe something like:

Colborne + Blacker
For
Stransky + Oleskiak

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12-03-2012, 10:40 AM
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Unfortunately I think his upside is a Chad Kilger type of player.

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12-03-2012, 11:25 AM
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Unfortunately I think his upside is a Chad Kilger type of player.
I don't really see the resemblance, but to each his own.

I'm just not high on him at all - I don't see anything more than a decent 3rd liner... would not be disappointed if we moved him.

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12-03-2012, 11:54 AM
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I just don't see anything in this guy at this point. I'm not usually quick to give up on prospects, and I wouldn't say I have with Colbrone yet either, largly due to his injury last year, but man, the guy just doesn't give you anything to go on.

His offensive skill is decent but not enough to carry him to the NHL. His skating is average, his physical game is lacking, and he doesn't use his size effectively enough to make being 6'6 an attribute. He doesn't excel at face-offs, along the boards or in front of the net.

Unless he puts it all together in a hurry, it looks like he may need to start working on developing a niche role for himself, because it doesn't look like he's going to evolve into the NHL as the top-six center he was on the path to becoming when he arrived here.

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Meh I called him a fringe player back when we acquired him 2years ago.

However, that being said, he is still young. Who knows, maybe one day he sees his nhl dreams fading and he decides to elevate his energy and grit? If he does, he can make the nhl based on his size alone.

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