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12-01-2012, 05:00 PM
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Vancouver-Detroit

Van: D Alex Edler, LW Bill Sweatt
Det: C Daren Helm, D Kyle Quincey, LW Tomas Tatar

Det needs a good replacement for Lidstrom(not saying Edler is as good as him), Edler is a big upgrade on Quincey, Sweatt is a speedy forward prospect with decent defensive skills. Det has the cap space to sign Edler when he becomes a FA so I dont see that as a big drop in his value, plus why wouldn't Edler want to sign in D-Town?.
Van gets a good 3rd line center, a replacement for Edler and a good talented forward prospect to add to vans poor prospect pool

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12-01-2012, 05:22 PM
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Big no from Van. I really like Helm, but he's not worth the huge downgrade from Edler to Quincey. The prospect swap doesn't change that.

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12-01-2012, 05:39 PM
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Having watched a fair amount of Grand Rapids games this season, I really don't want to give up on Tatar. I think he could be a pretty good 2nd line type guy.

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12-02-2012, 02:29 AM
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I might be interested in that if it's Ericsson instead.

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12-02-2012, 02:50 AM
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Not interested in giving up Helm and Tatar to change a signed Quincey into a UFA Edler.

Now if it were Hamhuis...

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I might be interested in that if it's Ericsson instead.
Hmm...

To Det: D Hamhuis

To Van: F Abdelkader, F Pulkkinen, D Ericsson

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12-02-2012, 02:53 AM
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The only way VAN trades Edler/Hamhuis is for an immediate upgrade (Edler/Hamhuis+ for Dats/Z).


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12-02-2012, 03:00 AM
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I don't even understand why DET is proposing deals for Edler/Hamhuis.

Hamhuis has an NTC and signed with his hometown team. Edler is about as likely to re-sign as Howard is, he's also the #1 d-man on a team that's looking to contend.

Wouldn't DET be better off targeting the dmen of NYR/PIT/WIN? Orpik or Martin are good enough fill ins.

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12-02-2012, 03:00 AM
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The only way VAN trades Edler/Hamhuis is for an immediate upgrade (VAN+ for Dats/Z).
Not really sure what's with some Canuck fans lately that want to trade away a really useful player for packages that aren't going to match the impact that the player we had made for awhile. Maybe it's just some rare West-Coast Christmas cheer.

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12-02-2012, 03:01 AM
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The only way VAN trades Edler/Hamhuis is for an immediate upgrade (VAN+ for Dats/Z).
LOL.

Did you just ACTUALLY suggest Edler/Hamhuis for Datsyuk/Zetterberg?

Here's my rebuttal.

Kyle Quincey for Daniel Sedin.

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12-02-2012, 03:02 AM
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LOL.

Did you just ACTUALLY suggest Edler/Hamhuis for Datsyuk/Zetterberg?
Sorry should have made that clearer.

VAN+ meant to be Edler/Hamuis+ for Dats/Z. Obviously the add in would be substantial.

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LOL.

Did you just ACTUALLY suggest Edler/Hamhuis for Datsyuk/Zetterberg?

Here's my rebuttal.

Kyle Quincey for Daniel Sedin.
As laughable as the first trade is, your rebuttal is downright ridiculous. You'd have done better if you said Kronwall, though I do think Kronwall is better than Hamhuis and Edler so on the other hand, maybe not.

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12-02-2012, 03:06 AM
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Wouldn't DET be better off targeting the dmen of NYR/PIT/WIN? Orpik or Martin are good enough fill ins.
I'd take a good deal for Enstrom/Bogosian or one of the Rangers trio.

Orpik and Martin being fill-ins is the problem; we have six guys in the 2-5 range. What we want is another #1. Preferably defensively sound, preferably under 30.

Hence the love for Hamhuis.

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Sorry should have made that clearer.

VAN+ meant to be Edler/Hamuis+ for Dats/Z. Obviously the add in would be substantial.
The add in would have to be Kesler and a 1st, at minimum.

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12-02-2012, 03:10 AM
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The add in would have to be Kesler and a 1st, at minimum.
That's a perfectly fair asking price.

The Canucks would just end up keeping all their players it doesn't look like Gillis is trying to sell off our top players for packages.

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12-02-2012, 05:22 AM
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Not interested in giving up Helm and Tatar to change a signed Quincey into a UFA Edler.

Now if it were Hamhuis...



Hmm...


To Det: D Hamhuis

To Van: F Abdelkader, F Pulkkinen, D Ericsson


If you want Hamhuis:
Smith+Helm+Jurco
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12-02-2012, 05:43 AM
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If you want Hamhuis:
Smith+Helm+Jurco
For
Hamhuis
Glad Hamhuis has a NTC and probably won't waive for anyone if that is the price. Really Detroit and Vancouver don't make for great trade partners. Now if we go into a big rebuild maybe Franzen, but I don't think Detroit is heading that way yet.

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12-02-2012, 06:00 AM
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I suspect the OP is right and Edler moves along. I envision a deal including Luongo and expect a fairly big return, though.

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Glad Hamhuis has a NTC and probably won't waive for anyone if that is the price. Really Detroit and Vancouver don't make for great trade partners. Now if we go into a big rebuild maybe Franzen, but I don't think Detroit is heading that way yet.
Hamhuis is our most important D-man. Without him our D is average at best. That's why it would take a lot to acquire him. BTW I am also glad he has a no trade clause

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Canucks is not trading Hamhuis, especally not for futures.

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12-02-2012, 08:30 AM
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Van definitely says no to this one ... change Helm to Filpula and that might be more realistic.

That said - I say ride out whatever this joke of a 40 game season might be and go for Edler @ free agency. Right before the lockout the difference between Gillis and Edlers management was 2+ million. If Gillis thinks hes going to strong-arm Edler into a Kesler contract when Suter just struck the jackpot hes dreaming.

Even if Edler gets resigned a stop-gap such as timmonen wouldnt be bad either. A few years from now our top 4 will be Kronwall, Smith, Sproul, Ouellete. What we need to trade for is a big bodied stayhome defenseman that plays physical. We have extra forwards to throw at guys like Regehr or D. Murray.

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12-02-2012, 11:41 AM
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wont be a season, edler will be a UFA no point in this

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There is nothing reasonable Detroit could come up with that I would accept for Hamhuis. Even a slight overpayment and I'd likely decline. This is not a knock toward Detroit by any means but Hamhuis is just too valuable. Not to mention he took a huge discount to play for the Nucks. If I were Gillis, even asking him wouldn't be an option.

As for the OP. Not enough quality. Helm is great but certainly not at the cost of Edler.

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Having watched a fair amount of Grand Rapids games this season, I really don't want to give up on Tatar. I think he could be a pretty good 2nd line type guy.
Eh, you do realize that a established top defenseman like Edler is highly needed for DRW. No matter how well Tatar is playing, he IS playing in the AHL, he is just a prospect. Of course Edler is going to be a FA but still...


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If you want Hamhuis:
Smith+Helm+Jurco
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Hamhuis
Big no from Detroit.

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