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11-27-2012, 04:17 AM
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"FC Barcelona" in NHL

Last weekend played for Barcelona only the players, they came from their academy.

Is there in NHL any example? Ok, in NHL there is another system. But lets say games, where played only team drafted players.

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Is there a team in the NHL that consists of homegrown (originally drafted by the team) players only? That's the question.

I assume since it's posted on the History of hockey board, the OP means throughout the league's history.

Though I'm not sure if he also refers to the finesse and skill of Barcelona.

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I'm thinking the Hab teams of the 50's might be a possibility.

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I'm thinking the Hab teams of the 50's might be a possibility.
They are damn close, but neither Burt Olmstead (early to mid 50's) or Marcel Bonin (late 50's) were Habs products. As far as I can tell, those are the only 2 regulars at that time who didn't start their career with the Habs.

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NHL teams don't have their own "academies" any more, that ended in the late 1960s. So you'd have to look at the earlier days for comparables.

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NHL teams don't have their own "academies" any more, that ended in the late 1960s. So you'd have to look at the earlier days for comparables.
As i wrote in my 1. post, lets take drafted players. Or maybe players, they signed first contract.

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The Habs also fit because they're the flagship team of the premier sport of a separatist region.

Also, he's looking at only one game, clearly, or else you'd have to factor in Fabregas/David Villa/Dani Alves, et al

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Also, he's looking at only one game, clearly, or else you'd have to factor in Fabregas/David Villa/Dani Alves, et al
Fabregas played for Barcelona until he was 16, so he's also a product of the academy to a degree, not entirely though.

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Between the 14th and 75th minute all of Barcelona's players on the field were homegrown. So the equivalent in the NHL should be a a game or a period or something to that effect, where all players of a team are homegrown.

I'm sure injuries could "help" a NHL team in the past to at some point only have consisted of homegrown players.

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Between the 14th and 75th minute all of Barcelona's players on the field were homegrown. So the equivalent in the NHL should be a a game or a period or something to that effect, where all players of a team are homegrown.

I'm sure injuries could "help" a NHL team in the past to at some point only have consisted of homegrown players.
And even then they're counting Fabregas who shouldn't really be counted. And Jordi Alba.

That would be like the Blues signing Lars Eller and claiming he was homegrown

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And even then they're counting Fabregas who shouldn't really be counted.
Why's that? Fabregas play in Barcelona from the age of 8 until he was 16.
He basically set the foundation to become the player he is today in Barca.

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Why's that? Fabregas play in Barcelona from the age of 8 until he was 16.
He basically set the foundation to become the player he is today in Barca.
And then played in Arsenal's academy for a year and their senior team for 8. There's clearly no easy comparison in hockey, because of the age limits of team control, but it's like a team drafting a player, developing him for a couple years, trading him, and then signing him years later claiming he's homegrown. I can't think of an example of this off the top of my head, but that just doesn't sound right.

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Yeah, this is impossible in hockey today, but I assume that's why we're on this board...

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Last weekend played for Barcelona only the players, they came from their academy.... Is there in NHL any example? Ok, in NHL there is another system. But lets say games, where played only team drafted players.
Not really, no. As mentioned the Montreal Canadiens of the 50's, to a lesser extent their teams of the 60's through 70's as well however they all included players who had in fact come up through other Junior systems & or were acquired via trade. The Toronto Maple Leafs under Conn Smythe might be a bit closer in terms of the "Academy Approach", whereby he signed Junior players & assigned them to St. Michaels College in Toronto where they both studied & played for the Junior A St. Mikes Buzzers, guys like Frank Mahovlich & Dick Duff; or, Smythe would assign his Juniors to the Marlies, many of those players attending public schools, less rigid than St. Mikes. Graduates from both systems formed the core of the Leafs right through the 60's....

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Last weekend played for Barcelona only the players, they came from their academy.

Is there in NHL any example? Ok, in NHL there is another system. But lets say games, where played only team drafted players.
You probably have to go way back. 1910s or earlier.

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If you want to really go back, I'm pretty sure that all the players from teams like the Montreal Shamrocks were basically taken from the same neighborhood. The teams were formed out of athletic clubs, and based around close circles of friends.

I'm not sure if there's enough biographical information available to confirm that they were 100% home grown, though. Maybe there was a random guy from out of town.

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If you're meaning strictly grown as in drafted by their teams, likely many of the teams in the 70s and 80s were composed of players that were drafted by them. Yes players were traded, but free agency wasn't as big of a deal until the early 90s. Players generally stayed with the team that drafted them.

However, in soccer if I understand the European system, you sign with a club at an extremely young age. Seems to me there are U12 academy teams for some of the European teams. I don't think NHL teams ever groomed players from that age onwards. You may have to go back to the days prior to the formation of the NHL in 1917 to find teams that are all brought up through a certain club. Even then, I'm not entirely sure that you had teams that were like European soccer teams are.

But it can be largely assumed that until the formation of the NHA in 1909, that the majority of teams who challenged for the Stanley Cup were local in nature. Though by local I mean they played where they lived, not were born there. Even the Dawson City Nuggets who challenged the Ottawa Senators for the Stanley Cup in 1905 featured players who were born in the Ottawa area.

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Time was all players within a 50 or so mile radius of an original 6 team was automatically the property of that team.

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i think in modern times we look at which teams ice the most players drafted by the club

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Time was all players within a 50 or so mile radius of an original 6 team was automatically the property of that team.
I am fairly sure that is not true. It's one of the many myths to explain why the Canadiens did so well in the 50s and 60s.

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