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12-02-2012, 11:44 AM
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I would agree that Shogun's best days are likely behind him, but when looking at the LHW division Machida finds himself right back near the top, and he smoked Bader, Thiago Silva, and Rashad, and Shogun IMO beat him the first time and smoked him the second time. No one has been able to beat Machida like that minus Jones. That says a lot. It's amazing to me that Shogun's around +170 for this fight. But all that being said, I'm not all that high on Gus so if he beats Shogun then I'll have to change my tune.
Rampage.

It's a pretty strong division, at the top, and I just dont think Rua is in the conversation anymore. A great performance against Gus will make me rethink.

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12-02-2012, 01:37 PM
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Shogun really needs to find a way to get and stay healthy. It seems that every time he really gets on a roll in his career he winds up getting injured and he comes back looking very bad. I still think he's one of the fighters at the top of the division, and at the very least his fights tend to be very entertaining.

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12-02-2012, 01:46 PM
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I'm not so sure about that being the reason why, necessarily. This event is much better than several recent pay-per-views.

It's definitely to raise the profile of Henderson in the eyes of casual fans though - same as they did with Dos Santos. They needed a vehicle to promote the new guard of champions, and this is it.
..and they are going to keep doing this too, with the lighter weights. You'll see the 155/145/135/125 belts defended on free TV a few times, with the 'stars' being in the co-main event and other fights. Guys like Shogun, Gustafsson, Rampage, BJ Penn, etc are all guys who could headline these Fox shows but they can shift them into the co-main and promote the lighter weights. PPV's will be headlined by the higher profile champions.

Also I don't think it's to raise the profile of Henderson specifically, as Diaz can win this fight. Also, both guys are extremely exciting. If this was Henderson v Maynard, you wouldn't see it in this spot.

I really think the UFC is going to strongly shift away from the PPV model in the next 3-5 years. I don't know to what extent it will be, but they will do it. if Fox wants a Super Bowl card like has been suggested, I think they will get it done and it will be huge. Maybe it doesn't get done in New York and they still have it in Vegas on Fox, but it will happen. I think 6 PPV's a year may be the magic number alongside 6 major Fox shows.

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12-02-2012, 01:52 PM
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I would agree that Shogun's best days are likely behind him, but when looking at the LHW division Machida finds himself right back near the top, and he smoked Bader, Thiago Silva, and Rashad, and Shogun IMO beat him the first time and smoked him the second time. No one has been able to beat Machida like that minus Jones. That says a lot. It's amazing to me that Shogun's around +170 for this fight. But all that being said, I'm not all that high on Gus so if he beats Shogun then I'll have to change my tune.
Gus still needs to show he can fight a top tier wrestler, and I think the UFC has done a good job protecting him up until this point. The good thing for him is that the top wrestlers are either the champion, a guy he's already fought and lost to in Davis, and a guy who just got knocked out in Bader. Sonnen as well, but he's already busy. The fight to make for next summer is probably Rashad v Gustafsson, if both win.

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12-02-2012, 01:57 PM
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With time running out in the yearly standings, time to make a few upset picks..

Main Card (FOX):
Lightweight Championship Bout: Benson Henderson (c) vs Nate Diaz
Light Heavyweight Bout: Shogun Rua vs Alexander Gustafsson
Welterweight Bout: B.J. Penn vs Rory MacDonald
Welterweight Bout: Mike Swick vs Matt Brown

Preliminary Card (FX):
Heavyweight Bout: Brendan Schaub vs Lavar Johnson
Lightweight Bout: Michael Chiesa vs Marcus LeVesseur
Bantamweight Bout: Raphael Assuncao vs Mike Easton
Featherweight Bout: Dennis Siver vs Nam Phan
Lightweight Bout: Ramsey Nijem vs Joe Proctor
Lightweight Bout: Yves Edwards vs Jeremy Stephens


Preliminary Card (Facebook):
Lightweight Bout: Daniel Cruickshank vs Henry Martinez
Bantamweight Bout: Scott Jorgensen vs John Albert
Lightweight Bout: Marcus Levessaur vs Abel Trujillo


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Road to UFC is on Fox right now.

They showed a segment of Rory training conditioning with Kris Letang.

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I think Rory is way too big for Penn and will probably win but after listening to Penn's recent interviews and watching him on 'Road to the Octagon', I'm all in. I like both guys but I really want Penn to win this one.

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I think Rory is way too big for Penn and will probably win but after listening to Penn's recent interviews and watching him on 'Road to the Octagon', I'm all in. I like both guys but I really want Penn to win this one.
If Penn can keep it standing and his conditioning is on point..he has a chance. Rory better not get lazy or B.J. will put him to sleep.

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12-02-2012, 10:32 PM
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If Penn can keep it standing and his conditioning is on point..he has a chance. Rory better not get lazy or B.J. will put him to sleep.
Yup for sure. Penn is in a class above Rory on the feet but I'm not sure it stays there long.

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Yup for sure. Penn is in a class above Rory on the feet but I'm not sure it stays there long.
I expect Penn to be taken down but he isnt a picnic down there either. Rory can't get reckless with his g'n'p because B.J. could submit him. This fight is a great test for Rory and won't be a walk in the park like most assume it will be. This card is great.

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Even on the feet, I think Rory is much too big and fast for Penn. Penn could get in more strikes, but Rory will throw devastating strikes.

I honestly think Penn will want to get this to the ground and sink in a sub.

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12-03-2012, 08:29 AM
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Penn is easily the best fighter Rory has faced to date. Should be interesting, but I still expect him to win.

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Michael Chiesa is ill and has had to withdraw from his fight on Saturday. was really looking forward to see him compete.

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I'm not so sure about that being the reason why, necessarily. This event is much better than several recent pay-per-views.

It's definitely to raise the profile of Henderson in the eyes of casual fans though - same as they did with Dos Santos. They needed a vehicle to promote the new guard of champions, and this is it.
I just think the matter if henderson being a low ppv seller, ufc amd dana white wanting a title fight for ratings, promoting henderson diaz for fututre ppv sales, plus getting the ufc bigger all matter. I am just slightly bugged about the low ppv sales being a factor. I am a fan of dana white so its not like I am criticizing him because I dont like him. Even before I was following ufc I alpreciated dana white and his business model.

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Even on the feet, I think Rory is much too big and fast for Penn. Penn could get in more strikes, but Rory will throw devastating strikes.

I honestly think Penn will want to get this to the ground and sink in a sub.
Penn is way ahead of Rory standing. Rory will be shooting for a takedown because thats where his strength and size will be a difference. If he chooses to stand with B.J. hes playing with fire.

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Penn is easily the best fighter Rory has faced to date. Should be interesting, but I still expect him to win.
Carlos Condit.

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Even on the feet, I think Rory is much too big and fast for Penn. Penn could get in more strikes, but Rory will throw devastating strikes.

I honestly think Penn will want to get this to the ground and sink in a sub.
I think you have this flipped, though Rory wants GnP

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Michael Chiesa is ill and has had to withdraw from his fight on Saturday. was really looking forward to see him compete.
He must be really ill to be pulling out of a fight in his hometown 5 days from the fight.

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Carlos Condit.
Not imo.

Condit vs Penn would be a good fight though.

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I think you have this flipped, though Rory wants GnP
skillwise, yes, Penn has better skills on his feet.
In a fight, against each other, Rory's power and size will be too much for Penn's technique.

I think if Penn tries to keep this standing, we'll see a TKO within the first 2 rounds. Rory will catch him, drop him and finish the fight.

What's he have, almost 7 inch reach advantage, and based on recent pics of BJ, probably a 15-20lb weight advantage on fight night.

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penn hasn't been the same since losing the title i expect rory to smash him

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Main Card (FOX):
Lightweight Championship Bout: Benson Henderson (c) vs Nate Diaz
Light Heavyweight Bout: Shogun Rua vs Alexander Gustafsson
Welterweight Bout: B.J. Penn vs Rory MacDonald
Welterweight Bout: Mike Swick vs Matt Brown

Preliminary Card (FX):
Bantamweight Bout: Raphael Assuncao vs Mike Easton
Featherweight Bout: Dennis Siver vs Nam Phan
Lightweight Bout: Ramsey Nijem vs Joe Proctor
Lightweight Bout: Yves Edwards vs Jeremy Stephens


Preliminary Card (Facebook):
Lightweight Bout: Daniel Cruickshank vs Henry Martinez
Bantamweight Bout: Scott Jorgensen vs John Albert
Lightweight Bout: Marcus Leveseur VS. Abel Trujillo


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skillwise, yes, Penn has better skills on his feet.
In a fight, against each other, Rory's power and size will be too much for Penn's technique.

I think if Penn tries to keep this standing, we'll see a TKO within the first 2 rounds. Rory will catch him, drop him and finish the fight.

What's he have, almost 7 inch reach advantage, and based on recent pics of BJ, probably a 15-20lb weight advantage on fight night.
I highly doubt this. Especially because Rory has never knocked out any top level competition. I don't know how this would suddenly translate into him finishing one of the harder guys to finish in the UFC, especially when he's coming to win.

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skillwise, yes, Penn has better skills on his feet.
In a fight, against each other, Rory's power and size will be too much for Penn's technique.

I think if Penn tries to keep this standing, we'll see a TKO within the first 2 rounds. Rory will catch him, drop him and finish the fight.

What's he have, almost 7 inch reach advantage, and based on recent pics of BJ, probably a 15-20lb weight advantage on fight night.
Rory is going to knockout B.J. Penn? Rory has never displayed K.O. power in the UFC and B.J. is extremely hard to finish. If anyone is getting knocked out...its Rory. I see this fight going the distance but my heart is hoping for a B.J. KO.

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I think you guys are both stuck in the 2008 UFC mindset.

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