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12-02-2012, 06:47 PM
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I was against that trade though...a few others were too.
But the Commissioner accepted it, right?

There seems to be a basic contradiction here. On the one hand, people are required to over-pay to get "franchise" players--which apparently Kane has been designated as for the purpose of this league. On the other hand, people are critical of teams that then give up overpayment required to get those players.

To me a deal should only be reversed if it becomes apparently that 1) it was made in bad-faith, 2) it was lob-sided, and 2) it leaves one team so poor that it becomes difficult to find a replacement.

Obviously there was an overpayment here. I don't think anyone disputes that. On the other hand, in real life, the Jets would pretty easily pass on the package, so we shouldn't blow the overpayment out of the proportion here.

I see no evidence that it was in bad-faith. CBJ simply decided he didn't want to / couldn't commit to it--which is absurd, of course, but I don't think he did the trade knowing he was going to leave. I also don't think it renders CBJ unusable. They are worse off, no doubt, but they have a very good young player.

The thrust of the trade limit rationale, as I read it, is to keep things somewhat realistic. New GMs have to deal with their predecessors decisions. We hope that this league will run for multiple seasons, right? There's going to be turnover, and those new GMe will have to live with the rosters they inherit. Obviously this is only about 1/3 of the way through the first season, but doesn't the same logic apply?

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12-02-2012, 06:57 PM
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I agree. Trade was deemed fair and was accepted, that should be the end of it. Just because this GM decided to bail (after putting up such a fight to get in, stay in, and defend his trades/play) doesn't mean anything else should come of it.

To be honest I'm just happy he is gone. So much drama.

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12-02-2012, 07:01 PM
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I have to agree. Once the commissioner approves the trade in-game, I feel like that should be the end of it. If it gets his approval, then it obviously wasn't too lop-sided and a new GM should be able to work with it. It is pretty sh*tty to make such a big trade then leave right after, but I'm sure a new GM will be able to accomplish things with their team with that trade, even if their team is screwed this year.

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If more people want to reverse my trade than those that don't thats fine. However, I think it was fair and am happy with it and would like to keep it.

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12-02-2012, 07:11 PM
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Can't get to the xbox--but if someone feels ambitious, perhaps post their record, three leading scorers, etc.?

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Trades are not getting reversed. And Columbus goes to the next on the reserves. I have 3 players on there I just haven't updated it.

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3 defenceman out with concussions (Yandle, Morris, Rundblad). Solution: Stop hitting my defencemen! Maybe hit a forward? lol.

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Trades are not getting reversed. And Columbus goes to the next on the reserves. I have 3 players on there I just haven't updated it.
Just to be clear, just like I originally stated jack, I have nothing wrong with the trade itself. I had ever reason to be against because I knew this gm was a flake and would be gone within a few weeks, turns out 3 actual days, so again I'd like to bring up the concern, is there anyway we can talk about a new rule?

A newly appointed gm, or beginning of new season, cannot trade a "franchise" player until they have been in the league for 4 advances. Or something of that nature.

I mean it's like your mother in law who's visiting for just Christmas to refurnish your entire house without your input and then jet. You may like it, most likely isn't ideal, but why not try to avoid the possible discrepancy from the start as best as possible?

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12-02-2012, 08:27 PM
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Just to be clear, just like I originally stated jack, I have nothing wrong with the trade itself. I had ever reason to be against because I knew this gm was a flake and would be gone within a few weeks, turns out 3 actual days, so again I'd like to bring up the concern, is there anyway we can talk about a new rule?

A newly appointed gm, or beginning of new season, cannot trade a "franchise" player until they have been in the league for 4 advances. Or something of that nature.

I mean it's like your mother in law who's visiting for just Christmas to refurnish your entire house without your input and then jet. You may like it, most likely isn't ideal, but why not try to avoid the possible discrepancy from the start as best as possible?
I like the idea, ill think about it.

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12-02-2012, 09:36 PM
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I also was thinking about this.. to make it a little more realistic..

No trades with teams within their divisions.. Rarely do you see this IRL.. and if you do, its for bottom 6 or ahl players.. Maybe occasionally there will be a vet traded inter-division at the trade deadline from a selling team to a buying team.. but it doesnt happen often.

Also for some teams there are big rivals outside of their division that they probably would never trade with.. for example, Pittsburgh would never trade with Washington.

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12-02-2012, 09:50 PM
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I also was thinking about this.. to make it a little more realistic..

No trades with teams within their divisions.. Rarely do you see this IRL.. and if you do, its for bottom 6 or ahl players.. Maybe occasionally there will be a vet traded inter-division at the trade deadline from a selling team to a buying team.. but it doesnt happen often.

Also for some teams there are big rivals outside of their division that they probably would never trade with.. for example, Pittsburgh would never trade with Washington.
Didn't Montreal trade Grabovski to Toronto?

Kaberle to Boston?

I could probably dig up some more but that's just off the top of my head.

Hell. Kessel to Toronto?

NHL GM's aren't fans. They make whatever deal improves their team.

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12-02-2012, 09:52 PM
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Trades are not getting reversed. And Columbus goes to the next on the reserves. I have 3 players on there I just haven't updated it.
What about the other question--do incoming GMs have 1 trade or 2?

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12-02-2012, 09:54 PM
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Didn't Montreal trade Grabovski to Toronto?

Kaberle to Boston?

I could probably dig up some more but that's just off the top of my head.

Hell. Kessel to Toronto?

NHL GM's aren't fans. They make whatever deal improves their team.

Agreed.


As he's also forgetting Vokoun to Pittsburgh.... A Washington-Pittsburgh trade.

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Agreed.


As he's also forgetting Vokoun to Pittsburgh.... A Washington-Pittsburgh trade.
wasn't a trade
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wasn't a trade
FA signing
Check again.

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wasn't a trade
FA signing
His rights were traded. That still makes it a trade.

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wasn't a trade
FA signing
His rights were traded there before he became a free agent

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wasn't a trade
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I believe he was traded, then resigned.

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12-02-2012, 10:03 PM
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Chelios to Detroit too. It doesn't get much bigger than trading your captain and best defenseman to your biggest rival.

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What about the other question--do incoming GMs have 1 trade or 2?
Lemme double check with fuss on that one. My opinion is that is should be 2 per TEAM. That way the team stays intact. Say someone comes on makes 2 trades, leaves a new commisioner comes on before the deadline and makes 2 more trades. That team would be completely different from the team at the beginning of the year.

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Lemme double check with fuss on that one. My opinion is that is should be 2 per TEAM. That way the team stays intact. Say someone comes on makes 2 trades, leaves a new commisioner comes on before the deadline and makes 2 more trades. That team would be completely different from the team at the beginning of the year.
Yeah, this was my thought as well.

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If this happened in Bluth the new GM would only be allowed one trade.

For the record I would let the new GM have Kane. The majority of the GMs deemed it to be fair.

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