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12-02-2012, 03:13 PM
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Skating: Hall
Shooting: Hall
Passing: Seguin
Defense: Even
Leadership: Hall
Offensive Instincts: Hall
Physicality: Hall
Durability: Seguin
Grit: Hall

Overall Offense: Hall
Overall Defense: Even

Better Player Now: Even
Better Player Later: Even

It blows my mind that people think Seguin is far ahead right now. If you look at basic stats, aggregate stats, advanced stats, or even just observe both players, it's pretty much a tie (or even slightly in Hall's favour).

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12-02-2012, 03:15 PM
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Thats the same league that Omark has 37 points in 25 games...obviously its a tough league to get points in


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12-02-2012, 03:25 PM
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Skating: Hall
Shooting: Hall
Passing: Seguin
Defense:Equal
Leadership:Hall
Offensive Instincts: Sequin
Physicality: Hall
Durability: Sequin
Grit: Hall

Overall Offense:Equal
Overall Defense:Sequin maybe

Better Player Now:Hall
Better Player Later:Hall

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12-02-2012, 03:26 PM
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Skating: Hall
Shooting: Seguin
Passing: Seguin
Defense: Even
Leadership: Hall
Offensive Instincts: Even in different ways
Physicality: Hall
Durability: Seguin
Grit: Hall

Overall Offense: Even
Overall Defense: Even

Better Player Now: Even, mabye slight advantage to Hall
Better Player Later: Seguin probably as more upside, but will he reach it?

I think if you go by individual skills, Seguin as a bit more, in shooting, passing and pure offensive IQ, but what make Hall what he is, is the combinaison of the skills he has with his awesome "take charge" mentality, something Seguin doesn't have.

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12-02-2012, 03:31 PM
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Ive always thought threads like this could be greatly improved by having people say how often theyve actually seen the players in question play.

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12-02-2012, 03:49 PM
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its these kinds of threads where the opinions of oilers fans and bruins fans are invalid because obviously every oilers fan is going to say hall is better and every bruins fan is going to say seguin is better
Ironic because the thread was started by an Oilers fan who still laments us picking Hall over Seguin

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Ive always thought threads like this could be greatly improved by having people say how often theyve actually seen the players in question play.
I've seen Hall play live probably 40-50 times.
I've seen Seguin live once, but I was quite drunk. I've watched him play on TV probably 25-30 times.

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12-02-2012, 04:11 PM
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Skating Close
Shooting Hall
Passing Seguin
Defense Seguin
Leadership I don't know
Offensive Instincts Seguin
Physicality Hall
Durability Seguin
Grit Hall

Overall Offense: Seguin
Overall Defense: Seguin

Better Player Now: Seguin
Better Player Later: Seguin

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12-02-2012, 04:13 PM
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Just a quick question: when you talk about shooting, are you inferring to the shot itself, or do you take other factors into account? If it's the former, then I'm not sure how you can say it's not close, Seguin's shot selection is pretty ferocious.
Depends on how you look at the category of "shooting". I was referring purely to Hall's much more impressive ability (to me) to get his shot off quickly and accurately. If we're taking all-round shot selection and ability to put the puck in the net in a variety of ways, then it becomes a much more even argument and possibly even in Seguins favour. Kind of like comparing the shooting abilities of Ovechkin and Kovalchuk


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12-02-2012, 04:14 PM
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Because Omark's 11 goals in 27 games is anywhere close to Seguin's 22 goals in 23 games....

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12-02-2012, 04:28 PM
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Skating - Easily Hall. Seguin doesn't have the ability to blow by defenders. Just look at how many breakaways Hall creates
Shooting - Even. Hall's shot is harder, while Seguin's is more accurate
Passing - Seguin. Hall is pretty underrated in this regard, but I'd give the edge to Seguin
Defense - Seguin. Seguin's defense is a little overblown because of his linemates, but he's still got this one
Leadership - Hall by a mile. He's already the leader of the Oilers
Offensive Instincts - Even. Both think the game very well
Physicality - Hall. Not even close
Durability - Seguin. But it's not exactly fair to say Hall's not durable because of a fluke injury while fighting, and a injury that dates back to junior
Grit - Hall. not even close

Overall Offense - Hall. Hall has the ability to dominate the play in a way Seguin can't quite match
Overall Defense - Seguin. Seguin is a little more polished in his own zone at this point and doesn't get caught running around quite as much

Better Player Now: Hall
Better Player Later: Hall

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12-02-2012, 04:37 PM
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Because Omark's 11 goals in 27 games is anywhere close to Seguin's 22 goals in 23 games....
Because Seguin's 13 assists are anywhere close to Omark's 30? It goes both ways (No I'm not saying Omark is better)

It's really going to be impossible to truly claim one or the other is better until after their careers are finished. They're very similar calibre players, and both of them are going to have fantastic careers. I personally prefer Hall because of the way he can absolutely dominate games, and makes everyone around him step their game up, but I'm not going to slander anyone for preferring Seguin

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12-02-2012, 05:36 PM
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Skating: Close but Hall
Shooting: Close but Seguin
Passing: Seguin
Defense: Seguin (Hall probably would be if he played for the Bruins though)
Leadership: Hall by a country mile, he's a future captain while Seguin would be pretty damn lucky to get an A
Offensive Instincts: Pretty even... If I had to give the edge probably Hall.
Physicality: Hall, Seguin basically doesn't body check at all. However, the way Hall throws his body out isn't necessarily a good thing for someone of his size.
Durability: Seguin, the only injury he's had was a severed tendon that didn't require him to miss any games. He doesn't play physical, either.
Grit: Hall

Overall Offense: Close, I'll give Hall the edge, partially because I think he's the better player offensively and partially because Seguin plays in a system where all of he'll never be able to utilize 100% of his offensive prowess.
Overall Defense: Seguin, again partially because of the team and system...
Please note that these two would very likely be swapped if either of these 2 players got drafted by the other team.

Better Player Now: Seguin
Better Player Later: Honestly you can't go wrong with either. Hall will likely put up better numbers as well as being a captain, but Seguin brings a better overall game while being pretty close to Hall's number. The only thing that would influence me to give either the edge is Hall's durability. Although the skate in the eye wasn't being injury prone, the way he throws his body out there isn't the greatest thing for someone of his size to do.

One thing's for sure, they got drafted by the right teams. Boston clearly doesn't need ANYONE to go out there and score constantly, we had the best differential for a looong time last year, we have a very capable offense. Almost everyone in our top-6 can score 30 goals, we don't need a single player to lay all of their offense on the line. While Edmonton lacks a lot in defense, they have 4 terrific players who are fantastic offensively, and Hall is definitely tops among them. He'll be a very important team piece to the Oilers.


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12-02-2012, 07:15 PM
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12-02-2012, 07:18 PM
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There's a lot of false statements being made on this thread right now, about both players. I feel as someone who watches a TON of both players, and being the guy who made the thread, I'd offer up my opinion:

Skating - The edge goes to Hall because his speed makes more of a difference in games than Seguin's agility and cuts. However arguing Seguin can't blow by defenders is asinine.

He not only blows by these defenders, but unlike Hall he's able to stick-handle and retain possession while weaving by them.

Shooting Seguin and it honestly isn't even close. He's got better velocity, better accuracy, and a quicker release. Hall is a great scorer, but most of his goals are clean-up jobs near the net. Seguin has some sick snipes

That's the best snipe in Hall's NHL career - and literally the only one of his goals close to being this good. Now here are some Seguin ones:


He does this with consistency. Great power, accuracy, and release on both his slap-shot and wrist-shot. I don't think I've ever seen a Hall slap-shot goal in the NHL yet.
Passing - Hall is a decent passer, but Seguin is a playmaker by nature, and has great vision, hands, and patience that allow him to EASILY be the better passer.

Puck skills - Seguin quite easily. Better stick-handler and puck-manager.
Defense - Seguin by a little. He's on Boston's "shutdown" line, and is a bit more organized in his own zone.
Leadership - Hall by a mile. AINEC.
Offensive Instincts - Seguin easily has more hockey sense, but Hall has great instincts in his ability to go to the right places to clean up around the crease. It's a slight win for Seguin here.
Physicality - Hall. Not even close. I don't even think I've seen Seguin throw a hit.
Durability - Seguin AINEC. I don't think he's been injured once yet. And his style of play is conducive to avoiding injury, whereas we all know about Hall's reckless style.
Grit - Hall. not even close

Overall Offense - Seguin is much better with the puck, whereas Hall's speed and offensive instincts make him a real difference maker. I'm going to say it's a draw.
Overall Defense - Seguin.

Better Player Now: Seguin but it's close
Better Player Later: Seguin


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12-02-2012, 07:50 PM
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There's a lot of false statements being made on this thread right now, about both players. I feel as someone who watches a TON of both players, and being the guy who made the thread, I'd offer up my opinion:

Skating - The edge goes to Hall because his speed makes more of a difference in games than Seguin's agility and cuts. However arguing Seguin can't blow by defenders is asinine.

He not only blows by these defenders, but unlike Hall he's able to stick-handle and retain possession while weaving by them.

Shooting Seguin and it honestly isn't even close. He's got better velocity, better accuracy, and a quicker release. Hall is a great scorer, but most of his goals are clean-up jobs near the net. Seguin has some sick snipes

That's the best snipe in Hall's NHL career - and literally the only one of his goals close to being this good. Now here are some Seguin ones:


He does this with consistency. Great power, accuracy, and release on both his slap-shot and wrist-shot. I don't think I've ever seen a Hall slap-shot goal in the NHL yet.
Passing - Hall is a decent passer, but Seguin is a playmaker by nature, and has great vision, hands, and patience that allow him to EASILY be the better passer.

Puck skills - Seguin quite easily. Better stick-handler and puck-manager.
Defense - Seguin by a little. He's on Boston's "shutdown" line, and is a bit more organized in his own zone.
Leadership - Hall by a mile. AINEC.
Offensive Instincts - Seguin easily has more hockey sense, but Hall has great instincts in his ability to go to the right places to clean up around the crease. It's a slight win for Seguin here.
Physicality - Hall. Not even close. I don't even think I've seen Seguin throw a hit.
Durability - Seguin AINEC. I don't think he's been injured once yet. And his style of play is conducive to avoiding injury, whereas we all know about Hall's reckless style.
Grit - Hall. not even close

Overall Offense - Seguin is much better with the puck, whereas Hall's speed and offensive instincts make him a real difference maker. I'm going to say it's a draw.
Overall Defense - Seguin.

Better Player Now: Seguin but it's close
Better Player Later: Seguin
Then why bother asking the question?

Especially given your reputation as a Seguin>Hall guy.

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12-02-2012, 08:00 PM
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Love when people post select YouTube videos to further their arguments. How come no ones brought up how half of Seguins points were scored in a month and a half.

Consistency should be another category and another win for Hall.

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If you think Hall can't stick handle at full speed maybe you should watch the goal he scored two nights ago against the Houston Aero's

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If you think Hall can't stick handle at full speed maybe you should watch the goal he scored two nights ago against the Houston Aero's
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There's a lot of false statements being made on this thread right now, about both players. I feel as someone who watches a TON of both players, and being the guy who made the thread, I'd offer up my opinion:

Skating - The edge goes to Hall because his speed makes more of a difference in games than Seguin's agility and cuts. However arguing Seguin can't blow by defenders is asinine.

He not only blows by these defenders, but unlike Hall he's able to stick-handle and retain possession while weaving by them.

Shooting Seguin and it honestly isn't even close. He's got better velocity, better accuracy, and a quicker release. Hall is a great scorer, but most of his goals are clean-up jobs near the net. Seguin has some sick snipes

That's the best snipe in Hall's NHL career - and literally the only one of his goals close to being this good. Now here are some Seguin ones:


He does this with consistency. Great power, accuracy, and release on both his slap-shot and wrist-shot. I don't think I've ever seen a Hall slap-shot goal in the NHL yet.
Passing - Hall is a decent passer, but Seguin is a playmaker by nature, and has great vision, hands, and patience that allow him to EASILY be the better passer.

Puck skills - Seguin quite easily. Better stick-handler and puck-manager.
Defense - Seguin by a little. He's on Boston's "shutdown" line, and is a bit more organized in his own zone.
Leadership - Hall by a mile. AINEC.
Offensive Instincts - Seguin easily has more hockey sense, but Hall has great instincts in his ability to go to the right places to clean up around the crease. It's a slight win for Seguin here.
Physicality - Hall. Not even close. I don't even think I've seen Seguin throw a hit.
Durability - Seguin AINEC. I don't think he's been injured once yet. And his style of play is conducive to avoiding injury, whereas we all know about Hall's reckless style.
Grit - Hall. not even close

Overall Offense - Seguin is much better with the puck, whereas Hall's speed and offensive instincts make him a real difference maker. I'm going to say it's a draw.
Overall Defense - Seguin.

Better Player Now: Seguin but it's close
Better Player Later: Seguin
I agree with you, skill wise Seguin is better, but like I said don't underestimeted the take charge mentality of Hall. It won't be as pretty as Seguin, but result will still be there.

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They are both great players, but IMO Hall fits in better with our core than Seguin would. He also helped to convince Schultz to sign with us, so who has Seguin convinced to sign with Boston?

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They are both great players, but IMO Hall fits in better with our core than Seguin would. He also helped to convince Schultz to sign with us, so who has Seguin convinced to sign with Boston?
Just wait 2 years ......




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Skating: Definitely Hall.
Shooting: It's close, but I'd give a slight edge to Tyler Seguin.
Passing: Seguin.
Defense: I doubt either of them will ever be considered great defensive partners. But I think I'll give a slight edge to Seguin.
Leadership: Hall.
Offensive Instincts: I'm not sure how to judge this really, but Hall just seems to have the better natural instincts.
Physicality: Hall.
Durability: Seguin.
Grit: Hall.

Overall Offense: I think it could go either way. I think Seguin has the better natural skillset, but Hall just seems to be more of an offensive force, if that makes any sense. S:
Overall Defense: Again, it's a wash. I don't think either player will ever completely outshine the other.

Better Player Now: Hall.
Better Player Later: Hall.

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Skating: Hall
Shooting: Seguin is the better shooter, but I think Hall is the better goal scorer
Passing: Seguin
Defense: Neither
Leadership: Hall AINEC
Offensive Instincts: Hall
Physicality: Hall
Durability: Seguin
Grit: Hall AINEC

Overall Offense: Slight edge to Hall
Overall Defense: Slight edge to Seguin

Better Player Now: Even
Better Player Later: Who knows

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Intangibles like leadership and sheer drive are the reason players like Hall are more valuable than Seguin. Even if Seguin posts slightly better offensive numbers, I'm still taking Hall. I loved he selection in 2010 and I love it now.

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