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12-03-2012, 01:41 PM
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I hope this is going to be the most exciting wjc in a long time. I didn't enjoy 2005 one as much, it seemed boring since canda dominated the tourney. There was no real contest. This year Canada looks like they will have a very strong team but defintly no 2005 team. This should make for a very exciting tournament.

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12-03-2012, 01:42 PM
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Huberdeau, RHN, Strome
Monahan, Scheifele, Graovac
Shinkaruk, Mackinnon, Rattie
Danault, Jenner, Wilson
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Hamilton, Riely
Harrington, Ouellette
Rienhart, Murphy
Dumba

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12-03-2012, 01:42 PM
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Hubredeau doesn't even deserve a letter after his play in the russia game last year. (took bad penalties and a misconduct)

I think your best player gets the C.

In Ebs' second year they only gave him an A, but it was clear to anyone watching that year that he was the only on-ice leader for Canada.

If you're down by a goal in the dying minutes, which player do you want out there more than anyone? If that player isn't your C then you chose the wrong captain.

Also, i expect magic to happen with Reilly and Nuge are out on the ice together.
lol, you could make the argument that Huberdeau is our best player

And what if your best player isnt the greatest defensively? Do you you still put him out there, just because under your definition he is the Captain

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12-03-2012, 01:44 PM
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I just changed my avatar for the WJC.

you're from Halifax and looks like the biggest Drouin fanboy here yet I don't tell you you overrate him.
I suggest you look through my posting history, specifically in the Drouin/MacKinnon threads, and come back and tell me I'm a Drouin
fanboy, lol. I've been pretty much leading the anti-hype train on the "Drouin as a possible 1st overall" front, lol.

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You pencil him on the first line. If that's not overrating.
I penciled him in where I put MacKinnon, or second line if both RNH/Huberdeau and Huberdeau/MacKinnon relationships are explored further. I think that's probably the smartest thing anyone could do, if they believe he has a role on the team. You disagree? Would love to hear why.

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Hudon has proven many times he can be versatile and a very effective 3rd-4th liner and if needed could replace someone on the top 6. I think that this versatility will land him on this team.
Sure, he's versatile. Versatile but small, and was a non-factor against the Russians - who might not even be the team's toughest challenge.

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Drouin can't play defensively so he is useless if not on a scoring line.
Senseless hyperbole. Puck control is one of his greatest strengths, and 3rd/4th lines who can maintain possession while their top two lines rest are just as valuable as those who go out and bang bodies. I've been one of the more vocal about the value of MacKinnon's two-way play when evaluating him versus Drouin, but "Drouin can't play defensively" and "useless if not on a scoring line"... just as blanket statements...? lol. Plays good enough defense that his skills/offense end up making everyone forget about Hudon 15 minutes into camp, imo.

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12-03-2012, 01:47 PM
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Hubredeau doesn't even deserve a letter after his play in the russia game last year. (took bad penalties and a misconduct)

I think your best player gets the C.

In Ebs' second year they only gave him an A, but it was clear to anyone watching that year that he was the only on-ice leader for Canada.

If you're down by a goal in the dying minutes, which player do you want out there more than anyone? If that player isn't your C then you chose the wrong captain.

Also, i expect magic to happen with Reilly and Nuge are out on the ice together.
I disagree with this. Offensive stardom does not necessarily make a good captain.

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12-03-2012, 01:47 PM
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I feel as if Murphy and Harrington are getting invites because they were previously on the team. There are better players that did not get the call.
Murphy has never been on the team before. He's been cut two years in a row. He did however play for the team in the summer against Russia.

As for my pre-camp lineup, I will go with:

Huberdeau-RNH-MacKinnon
Hudon-Strome-Schiefele
Monahan-Jenner-Wilson
McNeill-Danault-Ritchie
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Pelech-Murphy
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12-03-2012, 01:50 PM
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What is everyones opinion on what the 13th forward should be used on? A young guy, a banger, a pp or pk specialist?

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12-03-2012, 01:53 PM
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What is everyones opinion on what the 13th forward should be used on? A young guy, a banger, a pp or pk specialist?
Personally, I'd target a durable "Swiss army knife" type that plays up-tempo. You never know what kind of hole they'll have to plug, but you do know that they might have to fill that role (and possibly others) for a while if the need arises. McNeill, Danault, Wilson, Beauvillier... I'd keep any of them as 13th forwards if I couldn't find room in the regular lineup for them.

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12-03-2012, 01:54 PM
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Shinkaruk is injured no?

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12-03-2012, 01:55 PM
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Murphy has never been on the team before. He's been cut two years in a row. He did however play for the team in the summer against Russia.

As for my pre-camp lineup, I will go with:

Huberdeau-RNH-MacKinnon
Hudon-Strome-Schiefele
Monahan-Jenner-Wilson
McNeill-Danault-Ritchie
Rattie

Rielly-Hamilton
Ouellet-Harrington
Pelech-Murphy
Reinhart

Subban
Binnington
Brossoit
I like this roster a lot!

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What is everyones opinion on what the 13th forward should be used on? A young guy, a banger, a pp or pk specialist?
Simply whoever they think will help them win with one exception. If Mackinnon doesn't make the top 12, he goes as 13. You can't leave players who are that special (especially destined to go #1 for a reason) out of the equation. Before I had an idea he would be an Oiler (I strongly thought it would be Larsson at the time), I thought it was a huge mistake for Canada to not bring RNH with them 2 years ago.

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12-03-2012, 01:56 PM
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Personally, I'd target a durable "Swiss army knife" type that plays up-tempo. You never know what kind of hole they'll have to plug, but you do know that they might have to fill that role (and possibly others) for a while if the need arises.
Monahan, Mackinnon and Hunter all fit that criteria. All three are incredibly versatile.

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12-03-2012, 01:58 PM
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Hudon would be a perfect fit for 13th foward. Can kill penetlys, play 2nd power play, has enough talent to play on a scoring line but is gritty and has the work ethic to play 3rd/4th line. He's arguably the most durable forward.

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12-03-2012, 01:59 PM
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Murphy has never been on the team before. He's been cut two years in a row. He did however play for the team in the summer against Russia.

As for my pre-camp lineup, I will go with:

Huberdeau-RNH-MacKinnon
Hudon-Strome-Schiefele
Monahan-Jenner-Wilson
McNeill-Danault-Ritchie
Rattie

Rielly-Hamilton
Ouellet-Harrington
Pelech-Murphy
Reinhart

Subban
Binnington
Brossoit
Very disappointed that Percy didn't get an invite, I think he would be fantastic with Murphy. Pelech can't protect Murphy's million defensive lapses whereas someone like Percy can.

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12-03-2012, 02:00 PM
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Percy hasn't don't anything in the O this year.

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12-03-2012, 02:01 PM
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Not sure I even noticed Percy in the SuperSeries. Over hyped because hes a Leaf pick.

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Sure, he's versatile. Versatile but small, and was a non-factor against the Russians - who might not even be the team's toughest challenge.
I disagree... i did watch both games and Hudon was the best forward for team LHJMQ.

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12-03-2012, 02:10 PM
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Monahan, Mackinnon and Hunter all fit that criteria. All three are incredibly versatile.
Agreed. And good call on Shinkaruk. I'd be tempted to take a healthy Hunter over Hudon, for example, but it'd be close. Neither fits my "ideal" mold of the 13th man, though. I see MacKinnon in the regular lineup, but yeah... if it came down to it, he'd be a perfect 13th guy.

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12-03-2012, 02:11 PM
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I disagree... i did watch both games and Hudon was the best forward for team LHJMQ.
Sure he was...

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Not sure I even noticed Percy in the SuperSeries. Over hyped because hes a Leaf pick.
I'm not sure he is over hyped, we are just lucky to have a large number of more talented D to play this year. Most of the postings in the Leafs forums agree that he just isn't good enough against this competition.

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12-03-2012, 02:16 PM
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Sure he was...
I'm sorry to disappoint you but since Bob Mackenzie said that Hudon was a lock for team Canada and you believe that he should'n be on the team just tell me that you have not watch him a lot. In the subway series, he was the most dangerous forward for team Canada IMO, with no PP at all...

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12-03-2012, 02:28 PM
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lol, you could make the argument that Huberdeau is our best player

And what if your best player isnt the greatest defensively? Do you you still put him out there, just because under your definition he is the Captain
Really? Would love to hear it. Go.

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12-03-2012, 02:29 PM
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I'm sorry to disappoint you but since Bob Mackenzie said that Hudon was a lock for team Canada and you believe that he should'n be on the team just tell me that you have not watch him enough. In the subway series, he was the most dangerous forward for team Canada, with no PP at all...
First of all, it's not "Hudon shouldn't be on the team", it's that I think there are better players to choose from. And now that I see Drouin's name among the invite list, and read quotes from Hockey Canada suggesting that his age won't be held against him, I suspect Hudon drops out of the spotlight after sharing a camp with all these other guys.

Second of all, I've watched him plenty, and feel that I should remind you that Ouellet and MacKinnon walked away with QMJHL Player of the Game honours in those games, not Hudon. Don't know what "most dangerous" means to you, but he certainly didn't (and doesn't) stand out to me like someone who is among the top 12 U20 forwards this country has to choose from. Bob McKenzie might end up being right about him making the team, but if he makes it as a "13th guy", and someone else has him pegged as maybe the 15th or 16th best guy, how far apart are those opinions, really? And if someone could at least successfully justify(/defend) why they'd pick someone else over Hudon (or whomever - it doesn't matter), isn't that sufficient for the purposes of the thread? Seriously.

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So who is getting the captaincy? Does anyone think it will be RNH?

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12-03-2012, 02:31 PM
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Binnington

Reinhart Hamilton
Rielly Murphy
Harrington Ouellet
Dumba or Sproul

Forwards Option A:

Huberdeau RNH Scheifele
Drouin-Mackinnon-Rattie
Hudon-Strome-Ritchie
Danault-Jenner-Wilson
Monahan

Option B:

Huberdeau RNH Rattie
Ritchie Strome Scheifele
Hudon-Jenner-Monahan
Danault-Mcneil-Wilson
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