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12-03-2012, 08:12 PM
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Rnh is quiet supposedly, imo u dont want him C.
Well Jaden Schwartz was not only captain last tourny, but probably one of the better captains team Canada's had (according to his teammates), and he's probably one of the quietest guys the Blues have, other than maybe Halak.

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12-03-2012, 08:12 PM
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Every player invited has an opportunity to make the team. With that said, it is also quite apparent that players like Corrado, Wotherspoon, Sproul and even Pouliot will have to have extremely good camps to overcome the ridiculous amount of skill and depth that this country is lucky enough to have at every position.
If one of these guys outperform Dumba, then they'll take his spot as the 7th dman. That's the only way I see them on the team. No way are they taking anyone else's spot. But that will be extremely tough because Dumba was Spott's Captain in the Ivan Hlinka last year when they one gold. He even referenced that tournament in his interview today. It'll be a pretty tough feat.

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Scheifele-RNH-Rattie ----> Elite playmaking in RHN, scoring in Rattie, and all around play with Scheifele
Huberdeau-Mackinnon-Drouin ----> Chemistry in SSS speaks for itself
Hudon-Strome-Ritchie ----> Hudon would compliment these two IceDog teammates well
Danault-Jenner-Wilson ----> Opposition's nightmare line to matchup against
Monahan ----> Most versatile player left out of the top 12

Reilly-Hamilton ----> Dynamite offense with good defensive capability
Harrington-Oullet ----> Shutdown pairing with proven chemistry
Murphy-Reinhart ----> Spott's offensive favourite paired with a big, physical defensive guy
Dumba ----> Not having the best year so far, but a team Canada favourite who would bring energy and physicality from the 7th spot

Subban ----> No brainer
Binnington ----> Matter of preference, but he'll have to win it over Brossoit
Brossoit ----> Could easily earn the backup spot with a strong camp
This. It combines what was observed during the SSS and Canada Russia challenge - both huge factors. Also, since the SSS was so low scoring I suspect they'll use the Canada-Russia Challenge as a better benchmark as it also combined players from all 3 leagues.

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12-03-2012, 08:17 PM
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Is RNH confirmed to go?

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12-03-2012, 08:19 PM
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Scheifele-RNH-Rattie ----> Elite playmaking in RHN, scoring in Rattie, and all around play with Scheifele
Huberdeau-Mackinnon-Drouin ----> Chemistry in SSS speaks for itself
Hudon-Strome-Ritchie ----> Hudon would compliment these two IceDog teammates well
Danault-Jenner-Wilson ----> Opposition's nightmare line to matchup against
Monahan ----> Most versatile player left out of the top 12

Reilly-Hamilton ----> Dynamite offense with good defensive capability
Harrington-Oullet ----> Shutdown pairing with proven chemistry
Murphy-Reinhart ----> Spott's offensive favourite paired with a big, physical defensive guy
Dumba ----> Not having the best year so far, but a team Canada favourite who would bring energy and physicality from the 7th spot

Subban ----> No brainer
Binnington ----> Matter of preference, but he'll have to win it over Brossoit
Brossoit ----> Could easily earn the backup spot with a strong camp
Best lineup so far, congrats!

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12-03-2012, 08:23 PM
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Is RNH confirmed to go?
Assuming the NHL does not return and he is healthy, he will be going.

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Scheifele-RNH-Rattie ----> Elite playmaking in RHN, scoring in Rattie, and all around play with Scheifele
Huberdeau-Mackinnon-Drouin ----> Chemistry in SSS speaks for itself
Hudon-Strome-Ritchie ----> Hudon would compliment these two IceDog teammates well
Danault-Jenner-Wilson ----> Opposition's nightmare line to matchup against
Monahan ----> Most versatile player left out of the top 12

Reilly-Hamilton ----> Dynamite offense with good defensive capability
Harrington-Oullet ----> Shutdown pairing with proven chemistry
Murphy-Reinhart ----> Spott's offensive favourite paired with a big, physical defensive guy
Dumba ----> Not having the best year so far, but a team Canada favourite who would bring energy and physicality from the 7th spot

Subban ----> No brainer
Binnington ----> Matter of preference, but he'll have to win it over Brossoit
Brossoit ----> Could easily earn the backup spot with a strong camp

I liiiiike this.

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While captains are generally more engaging guys, you can still be a successful captain even if you are quiet. You just have to lead by example.
I largely agree. Whether you're quiet or vocal, if you're the one guy that can be put out at any time, in any game situation, and make any on-ice unit the strongest it can possibly be, you're captain material in my book. Whether or not RNH is that guy for Canada is up for debate, obviously, but he certainly seems among the very best candidates in a pool full of captains from their respective junior squads. He's certainly the most accomplished, so there has to be a respect factor there, too.

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12-03-2012, 08:32 PM
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Scheifele-RNH-Rattie ----> Elite playmaking in RHN, scoring in Rattie, and all around play with Scheifele
Huberdeau-Mackinnon-Drouin ----> Chemistry in SSS speaks for itself
Hudon-Strome-Ritchie ----> Hudon would compliment these two IceDog teammates well
Danault-Jenner-Wilson ----> Opposition's nightmare line to matchup against
Monahan ----> Most versatile player left out of the top 12

Reilly-Hamilton ----> Dynamite offense with good defensive capability
Harrington-Oullet ----> Shutdown pairing with proven chemistry
Murphy-Reinhart ----> Spott's offensive favourite paired with a big, physical defensive guy
Dumba ----> Not having the best year so far, but a team Canada favourite who would bring energy and physicality from the 7th spot

Subban ----> No brainer
Binnington ----> Matter of preference, but he'll have to win it over Brossoit
Brossoit ----> Could easily earn the backup spot with a strong camp
Yup, I can picture a gold medal with this lineup.

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12-03-2012, 08:33 PM
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Just to rejog your memory, Percy was assigned to shutdown Yakupov's line and he did in both games. The only reason why he's being overhyped is by people like you who keep reminding everyone he's a leaf pick.

It makes sense why Percy didn't make it, there's just way too much high end talent on the blueline. It's good to see the depth in Canada.
Yeah, I really liked what I saw from Percy. Quiet, efficient defender.

With Murray's injury I thought there'd be an opening for him, but I guess not.

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I don't understand why Harrington is being targeted by a few posters as someone who shouldn't be on the team. He had 4 points in 5 games last year with a plus 7 in a shutdown role. He probably impressed me as much as anyone last year. Very solid defensive game, which might be more important to Canada's success than any offense the other D bring to the team.
He wasn't a 1st rounder and doesn't score enough points in London to appease the box-score watchers.

I think that about sums it up.

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12-03-2012, 08:36 PM
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Scheifele-RNH-Rattie ----> Elite playmaking in RHN, scoring in Rattie, and all around play with Scheifele
Huberdeau-Mackinnon-Drouin ----> Chemistry in SSS speaks for itself
Hudon-Strome-Ritchie ----> Hudon would compliment these two IceDog teammates well
Danault-Jenner-Wilson ----> Opposition's nightmare line to matchup against
Monahan ----> Most versatile player left out of the top 12

Reilly-Hamilton ----> Dynamite offense with good defensive capability
Harrington-Oullet ----> Shutdown pairing with proven chemistry
Murphy-Reinhart ----> Spott's offensive favourite paired with a big, physical defensive guy
Dumba ----> Not having the best year so far, but a team Canada favourite who would bring energy and physicality from the 7th spot

Subban ----> No brainer
Binnington ----> Matter of preference, but he'll have to win it over Brossoit
Brossoit ----> Could easily earn the backup spot with a strong camp
Are your lines listing the centres in the middle? If so, I don't think you end up getting nearly the most out of Scheifele or Drouin by playing them on their off wing/side; which looks like an unnecessary handicap considering it impacts both lines in your top 6. Don't know if it's "better", but if those are the players to work with, it seems to make more "sense" to go:

Huberdeau - RNH - Rattie/Scheifele
Drouin - MacKinnon/Scheifele - Scheifele/MacKinnon/Rattie

Huberdeau - MacKinnon - Drouin (or Drouin - Huberdeau - MacKinnon, or however we shuffle it up) on a powerplay, though? That I'd certainly do. Probably with RNH and one of the RH defensemen (Drouin or RNH on the other point for lulz?).


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12-03-2012, 08:45 PM
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This is going to be such a good tournament. Finally some exciting hockey!! (The SSS was fun but not the same level)

For me, the captain should be between Huberdeau and Hamilton.

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12-03-2012, 08:49 PM
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nick lidstrom is also nick lidstrom, unlike RNH
Lidstrom talked quite a bit in the room. He wasn't a big speech guy, but he was big on preparing the team. Talking about what the Wings do well what the other team does well. A calming guy, but not as silent as a lot of people remember and when he spoke everyone listened. He didn't deliver the paint of the wall stuff that Yzerman and Draper did, but he didn't sit in the corner and he didn't just say watch what I do. One of the reasons although it was wiped out by the lockout I was looking forward to 24/7 before he retired was I think this would have showed when they followed the team. It is inaccurate from what I know of those guys to pretend Lidstrom didn't have leadership right away he didn't grow into as much as some people think. Lidstrom got an A very early in his career, it wasn't because he was just a great player. He is a very effective communicator and leader.

On this roster while I don't expect him to make the team very happy Ryan Sproul got an invite. He started the season on fire and has been very good since coming back. Really looking forward to the future pairing of Sproul and Ouellet in Detroit, Holland better not trade either.

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Here's the roster I would take:

Jonathan Huberdeau - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Mark Scheifele
Jonathan Drouin - Ryan Strome - Nathan MacKinnon
Ty Rattie - Boone Jenner - Charles Huddon
Philip Danault - Mark McNeil - Tom Wilson
Sean Monahan

Morgan Reilly - Dougie Hamilton
Scott Harrington - Ryan Murphy
Griffin Reinhart - Mathew Dumba
Xavier Ouellet

Malcom Subban
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I really want to see MacKinnon on centre. Out of all our centres he really seems to be one who benefits most from being on position. I can see Scheifele on the wing no problem, but we saw how uncomfortable MacKinnon looked at the SSS.

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12-03-2012, 09:16 PM
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Murphy will only make it as the 7th defenseman PP specialist, and honestly with Reilly I don't think you need to have one. That being said, he plays for the coach/gm in the OHL so...
There is no way Spott doesn't play Murphy 5 on 5. Simply no chance. Murphy plays 40 minutes a night on the best defensive team in the OHL, and probably the best in the entire CHL. Spott clearly trusts him defensively (And anyone's who's seen him this year know's he's not a liability), he clearly will play him 5 on 5 with Canada's big guns.

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Subban and binnington are both very good goalies. But what gives sub an the edge is his charecter. He's extremely calm in net and he never cracks under pressure. He is confident in every situation rather up 3 goals, down 3 goals, or tied in the gold medal game. His team feels comfertable knowing that they have a goalie who is confident he will Stop the puck.
Also, he plays on international sized ice in Belleville.. Goalies notice this a lot because some of the angles change... There will be no adjustment period for him, unlike any other candidate.

He's also the best shootout goalie, hands down... I like that considering we've gone to a few shootouts the past few years.

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There's pretty much only one defensive spot open at this point,

Hamilton
Harrington
Ouellet
Rielly
Murphy
Reinhart

Are all pretty much locks
Everyone seems to be picking Dumba for that last spot but I think Sproul or Wotherspoon would be better choices.

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Everyone seems to be picking Dumba for that last spot but I think Sproul or Wotherspoon would be better choices.
Wotherspoon would be my pick aswell. For me he has been the best dman in the Dub this year.

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Everyone seems to be picking Dumba for that last spot but I think Sproul or Wotherspoon would be better choices.
I think I'd be leaning toward Sproul.

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There is no way Spott doesn't play Murphy 5 on 5. Simply no chance. Murphy plays 40 minutes a night on the best defensive team in the OHL, and probably the best in the entire CHL. Spott clearly trusts him defensively (And anyone's who's seen him this year know's he's not a liability), he clearly will play him 5 on 5 with Canada's big guns.
I don't think I have to tell you there is a big difference between the World jrs and the OHL. There is so much pressure and if Murphy ends up playing like he did in game 2 of the Can/Rus challenge, he'll end up as the 7th dman very quickly.

This is a short tournament and pride and loyalties are gonna be thrown out the window pretty quickly if you don't reach your expectations. It's about what is best for Canada, not what's best for Murphy


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Scheifele-RNH-Rattie ----> Elite playmaking in RHN, scoring in Rattie, and all around play with Scheifele
Huberdeau-Mackinnon-Drouin ----> Chemistry in SSS speaks for itself
Hudon-Strome-Ritchie ----> Hudon would compliment these two IceDog teammates well
Danault-Jenner-Wilson ----> Opposition's nightmare line to matchup against
Monahan ----> Most versatile player left out of the top 12

Reilly-Hamilton ----> Dynamite offense with good defensive capability
Harrington-Oullet ----> Shutdown pairing with proven chemistry
Murphy-Reinhart ----> Spott's offensive favourite paired with a big, physical defensive guy
Dumba ----> Not having the best year so far, but a team Canada favourite who would bring energy and physicality from the 7th spot

Subban ----> No brainer
Binnington ----> Matter of preference, but he'll have to win it over Brossoit
Brossoit ----> Could easily earn the backup spot with a strong camp
This is pretty good! I would maybe switch up the lines, though.

Huberdeau-RNH-Schiefele
Drouin-Mackinnon-Rattie
Hudon-Strome-Ritchie
Danault-Jenner-Wilson

Reilly-Hamilton
Harrington-Ouellet
Murphy-Reinhart
Dumba

I just switched the lines so no one is on their off-wing. Your reasoning is pretty ,uch the same as mine though.


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I don't think I have to tell you there is a big difference between the World jrs and the OHL. There is so much pressure and if Murphy ends up playing like he did in game 2 of the Can/Rus challenge, he'll end up as the 7th dman very quickly.

This is a short tournament and pride and loyalties are gonna be thrown out the window if you don't reach your expectations. It's about what is best for Canada, not what's best for Murphy
Yeah and if Hamilton plays like he did in the Canada-Russia challenge he won't see any ice time.

It's safe to say if you're the best defensemen on the best junior team defensively in the world, you'll probably do OK in the international tournement.

It's not about loyalties, it's about what you know a player can do. If a player performs poorly, they'll suffer the consequences. That's not just Murphy, that's anybody.

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Scheifele-RNH-Rattie ----> Elite playmaking in RHN, scoring in Rattie, and all around play with Scheifele
Huberdeau-Mackinnon-Drouin ----> Chemistry in SSS speaks for itself
Hudon-Strome-Ritchie ----> Hudon would compliment these two IceDog teammates well
Danault-Jenner-Wilson ----> Opposition's nightmare line to matchup against
Monahan ----> Most versatile player left out of the top 12

Reilly-Hamilton ----> Dynamite offense with good defensive capability
Harrington-Oullet ----> Shutdown pairing with proven chemistry
Murphy-Reinhart ----> Spott's offensive favourite paired with a big, physical defensive guy
Dumba ----> Not having the best year so far, but a team Canada favourite who would bring energy and physicality from the 7th spot

Subban ----> No brainer
Binnington ----> Matter of preference, but he'll have to win it over Brossoit
Brossoit ----> Could easily earn the backup spot with a strong camp
I love that 2nd line. I could see them tear up things

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Murphy will be pretty easily the worst defensively in the top 6, if he doesn't produce offense in games that matter I can easily see the D coach going with the 7th guy (Dumba or Sproul imo)

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