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12-03-2012, 07:26 PM
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Staal for Steen and Polak.

Only move that would make it worthwhile for the Rangers. Even then, it would hurt the D, and I don't want to dismantle the D - it's the Rangers biggest key to success.
I would think very hard and then say yes. I absolutely love Alex Steen and Polak, but I'd do this.
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Getting the better player doesn't always make the team better. There is no doubt that Staal is better than Shattenkirk, but if Shattenkirk was moved for Staal our need for a 2nd pairing puck-moving RHD would instantly become much more significant than our need for a partner for Pietrangelo ever was.
Fair enough. But I was thinking of having Polak and Russell play second pairing and letting Jackman play with Cole on the third pairing.

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12-03-2012, 07:28 PM
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It's going to have to be Shattenkirk+ if you want Staal. Right now, nothing gets moved unless for overpayment and filling a need. Our roster is pretty much perfect. How about Shattenkirk+Sobotka+2nd for Staal? Sobotka can fill our 3rd C, pushing Boyle to 4th line where he belongs.

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I think the time has passed where it was a possibility that the Rangers moved Staal. With Erixon now gone and how Staal performed in the playoffs, they aren't going to move him unless they get an insane offer.

I'd offer Stewart and Polák, but that isn't going to do it.
Exactly, it would have made sense to do a Staal for Shattenkirk+ after missing out on Schultz and prior to the Nash trade.

This would actually be a nice d-corps with everyone playing on their correct side:

Mcdonagh-Girardi
Del Zotto-Shattenkirk
Erixon-Sauer(if healthy of course)
Stralman
Erixon was part of the Nash deal, and Sauer's career is all but over. 3rd pairing would be Eminger/Bickel-Stralman


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12-03-2012, 07:30 PM
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It's going to have to be Shattenkirk+ if you want Staal. Right now, nothing gets moved unless for overpayment. Our roster is pretty much perfect.
Same for the Blues. I actually think the need for Petro's partner is kind of overblown. I'm just bored and wanted to see what other people thought.

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12-03-2012, 07:45 PM
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Erixon was part of the Nash deal, and Sauer's career is all but over. 3rd pairing would be Eminger/Bickel-Stralman[/QUOTE]

Yea that's why I said prior to the Nash trade. Before the trade, the Rangers had a bit of a logjam with Mcdonagh, Staal, Del Zotto, and Erixon all being lefties with the right side being pretty weak: Girardi, Stralman, concussed Sauer, Eminger, and Bickel.

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12-03-2012, 07:46 PM
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I'd rather have Shattenkirk over Staal, especially at the price the Rangers would ask. I realize he fills a huge need for the Blues' blue line, but the expense he would come at, as you see in this thread, is not worth it for the Blues.

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It's going to have to be Shattenkirk+ if you want Staal. Right now, nothing gets moved unless for overpayment and filling a need. Our roster is pretty much perfect. How about Shattenkirk+Sobotka+2nd for Staal? Sobotka can fill our 3rd C, pushing Boyle to 4th line where he belongs.



Erixon was part of the Nash deal, and Sauer's career is all but over. 3rd pairing would be Eminger/Bickel-Stralman
Yea I could do that.

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12-03-2012, 07:54 PM
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Backes or gtfo.
For Staal + what? Something significant, that's for sure.

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One Callahan is enough. Let's get something we need.

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Exactly, it would have made sense to do a Staal for Shattenkirk+ after missing out on Schultz and prior to the Nash trade.

This would actually be a nice d-corps with everyone playing on their correct side:

Mcdonagh-Girardi
Del Zotto-Shattenkirk
Erixon-Sauer(if healthy of course)
Stralman
Tim Erixon is not on the New York Rangers

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12-03-2012, 08:27 PM
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I think he was showing how it would look if this trade was done prior to the Nash trade.

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Lol, some of the Blues fans in here are severely overrating our need for a LHD. Yeah we could use one, but we don't need to overpay for one and create bigger holes on our team. Trading away guys like Steen, Polak, Shattenkirk just to get Staal isn't making us any better.

Yeah a Staal-Pietrangelo first pairing would be great, but then you have:

Jackman-Polak = completely incapable of moving the puck
Russell-Cole = completely overmatched defensively

When that top-pairing isn't on the ice.

So just no. We aren't trading Shattenkirk, or Polak, or really any of our defensemen for another d-man. The point of a trade would be to add to our defensive group, not subtract from it. Forwards/prospects/picks would be what we are trading.

So thankfully nobody in here is the GM because this isn't happening.

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Very well said. No sense in digging the team into a deeper hole.

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12-03-2012, 11:33 PM
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Staal for Steen and Polak.

Only move that would make it worthwhile for the Rangers. Even then, it would hurt the D, and I don't want to dismantle the D - it's the Rangers biggest key to success.
Steen and polak? Hahaha Sather hangs up. It would be more like Dastotini and Polak

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Steen and polak? Hahaha Sather hangs up. It would be more like Dastotini and Polak
I don't know who this Dastotini guy is but he sounds like a stud.

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I don't know who this Dastotini guy is but he sounds like a stud.

Dastotini is solid...

Dastotini > Steen > D'Agostini

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Steen and polak? Hahaha Sather hangs up. It would be more like Dastotini and Polak
How about Dastotini + Stein + Raddle + 3rd?

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I haven't seen a proposal which clearly improves the Rangers here..

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Not understanding some of these proposals.

Rangers D, like the Blues is pretty good. I would think the Rangers would be looking for offense and the one thing the Blues have is excess wingers. If I'm wrong NYR fans, my apologies for being uninformed.

That said I like having Cole play plus hanging onto whichever one of Perron/Oshie/McDonald it would take to trade for Staal more than I do Staal.

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12-04-2012, 08:46 AM
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Rangers addressed their need for offense with the Nash trade. What we could use is a RHD who can move the puck, but not at the expense of a top-pairing shutdown guy who is just entering his prime.

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Rangers addressed their need for offense with the Nash trade. What we could use is a RHD who can move the puck, but not at the expense of a top-pairing shutdown guy who is just entering his prime.
Ah I see. Totally forgot about the Nash trade. at me.

Well then yeah I see why Shattenkirk would be the target which makes these teams not a good fit.

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Ah I see. Totally forgot about the Nash trade. at me.

Well then yeah I see why Shattenkirk would be the target which makes these teams not a good fit.
not so much at you.

Analysis by Trxjw was solid. However, the premise can still be explored if we view this in a context of risk reward.

It doesn't make sense to move Staal unless
1) we get = or better D from the right side, pref. also able to help out on PP
OR
2) we get enough upgrade in another area (sniper/scoring) that it is too much profit to walk away from.

Not adding a D like Shattenkirk to at least partially offset the loss of a premium shut down D forces Blues to add to their non D compensation.

Perron is serious, but not enough premium for Rangers to be short on D.

What it really would take, IMO, is
Stall and lesser X for Tarascenko
or
Stall and something medium substantial Y for Tarascenko + Perron

where Blues keep their D, and Rangers keep Kreider

recognize OP said not to include Tarascenko, and no consternation intended. Just sayin given all of the above, that would be the fastest way to actually make a move that gets Marc to St. Louis.

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not so much at you.

Analysis by Trxjw was solid. However, the premise can still be explored if we view this in a context of risk reward.

It doesn't make sense to move Staal unless
1) we get = or better D from the right side, pref. also able to help out on PP
OR
2) we get enough upgrade in another area (sniper/scoring) that it is too much profit to walk away from.

Not adding a D like Shattenkirk to at least partially offset the loss of a premium shut down D forces Blues to add to their non D compensation.

Perron is serious, but not enough premium for Rangers to be short on D.

What it really would take, IMO, is
Stall and lesser X for Tarascenko
or
Stall and something medium substantial Y for Tarascenko + Perron

where Blues keep their D, and Rangers keep Kreider

recognize OP said not to include Tarascenko, and no consternation intended. Just sayin given all of the above, that would be the fastest way to actually make a move that gets Marc to St. Louis.
It's a logical argument. Blues couldn't possibly afford to give up the two best offensive weapons they have, but it's not like Marc Staal is anything less than a top pairing defenseman.

I hope Rangers do well. I like their team and the way they play. Wouldn't mind at all a 7 games series with them.

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It's a logical argument. Blues couldn't possibly afford to give up the two best offensive weapons they have, but it's not like Marc Staal is anything less than a top pairing defenseman.

I hope Rangers do well. I like their team and the way they play. Wouldn't mind at all a 7 games series with them.
Me either!

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Lol, some of the Blues fans in here are severely overrating our need for a LHD. Yeah we could use one, but we don't need to overpay for one and create bigger holes on our team. Trading away guys like Steen, Polak, Shattenkirk just to get Staal isn't making us any better.

Yeah a Staal-Pietrangelo first pairing would be great, but then you have:

Jackman-Polak = completely incapable of moving the puck
Russell-Cole = completely overmatched defensively

When that top-pairing isn't on the ice.

So just no. We aren't trading Shattenkirk, or Polak, or really any of our defensemen for another d-man. The point of a trade would be to add to our defensive group, not subtract from it. Forwards/prospects/picks would be what we are trading.

So thankfully nobody in here is the GM because this isn't happening.
It's a shame you didn't read my OP right man. I said, it was all hypothetical and that this wouldn't happen anyway. Just wanted to see what the Rangers would want if he were available. I'm not a GM and don't claim to be. Army does a fine job on his own.

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