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12-03-2012, 09:37 PM
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Definitely didn't know that.

So we don't have to PM them to you, but we need to post, and have the other GM confirm, then have you weigh in in the thread and say "yes" before we submit it in game?
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12-03-2012, 09:40 PM
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So I kinda have to agree with Fuss about this just being one big trade, however im gonna leave this one to league to decide, because if you REALLY want to use both of your trades to accomplish it ill allow it if majority of the league thinks its fair.
So it is basically:

To
Shea Weber
Sergei Kostitsyn
Craig Smith
2013 4th round pick
Random Scrub for Contract Purposes


Kevin Shattenkirk
Chris Stewart
Alexander Steen
Ian Cole
2013 2nd round pick
Random Scrub for Contract Purposes

seems to me that, as a matter of value, and in rough terms, Smith and Cole sort of cancel each other out, as do Steen and Kostitsyn.

So that leaves Weber + 4th for Shattenkirk, Stewart and a 2nd.

Meh. I don't think the value is bad, but if we're looking for "franchise" overpayment, I'm not sure I'm seeing it...

EDIT: <--- Still doesn't understand the "franchise" player thing.


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12-03-2012, 09:43 PM
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So it is basically:

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Shea Weber
Sergei Kostitsyn
Craig Smith
2013 4th round pick
Random Scrub for Contract Purposes


Kevin Shattenkirk
Chris Stewart
Alexander Steen
Ian Cole
2013 2nd round pick
Random Scrub for Contract Purposes
One giant ass ****ing trade. Do you guys want to allow this type of trading to go down or no?

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12-03-2012, 09:43 PM
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So I kinda have to agree with Fuss about this just being one big trade, however im gonna leave this one to league to decide, because if you REALLY want to use both of your trades to accomplish it ill allow it if majority of the league thinks its fair.
I say leave it as two trades. There are 9 significant assets in this trade. 3 more than we are usually allowed. It's unfair to the rest of us that they would be able to count this as one trade while the rest of use are limited to 6 assets.

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12-03-2012, 09:45 PM
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I say leave it as two trades. There are 9 significant assets in this trade. 3 more than we are usually allowed. It's unfair to the rest of us that they would be able to count this as one trade while the rest of use are limited to 6 assets.
Thats not what im asking, what im asking is should I let teams be able to to make 2 trades really 1 trade so basically if they use this trade neither of them have a trade left for the season. So they're "by-passing" the rules of only being able to trade 6 pieces to each other.

Im not trying to call you guys out, you guys are just the first to do in either league so I want to get the leagues feelings on this as well.

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12-03-2012, 09:46 PM
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I say leave it as two trades. There are 9 significant assets in this trade. 3 more than we are usually allowed. It's unfair to the rest of us that they would be able to count this as one trade while the rest of use are limited to 6 assets.
I don't think there is any question that both teams use up the two trades...

I think the question is whether we are allowed to circumvent the asset limit by splitting one deal into two, right?

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12-03-2012, 09:46 PM
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I'll say make it two trades. That said the 2nd trade is pretty lopsided but it's obviously tied into the first trade.

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I'll say make it two trades. That said the 2nd trade is pretty lopsided but it's obviously tied into the first trade.
exactly, trying to by-pass the 6 piece limit.

That rule is there for a reason, so you cant make giant ass trades like this. This league is one that is supposed to keep teams intact by keeping trades to a minimum.

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12-03-2012, 09:48 PM
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If you think of it that way, technically you are correct. It's not easy to move a star player like that with only a few pieces going each way. Like in real life when you see a big player moved there is likely lots involved.

The cost of moving a star player and finding and equitable deal is that we both can not make any more moves for the rest of the season. The justification is that although we did just make 2 deals which appear as one deal, we are know bound in making any more moves. I think this is realistic because you do see blockbusters happen every now and then in real life but that team normally doesn't make any more trades to tamper with their team for quite a while. I think the rules are designed to prevent trading away their entire team within a few weeks and think only short-term. We weren't trying to circumvent this aspect, we just wanted to find a deal that was fair both ways.

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12-03-2012, 09:50 PM
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If you think of it that way, technically you are correct. It's not easy to move a star player like that with only a few pieces going each way. Like in real life when you see a big player moved there is likely lots involved.

The cost of moving a star player and finding and equitable deal is that we both can not make any more moves for the rest of the season. The justification is that although we did just make 2 deals which appear as one deal, we are know bound in making any more moves. I think this is realistic because you do see blockbusters happen every now and then in real life but that team normally doesn't make any more trades to tamper with their team for quite a while. I think the rules are designed to prevent trading away their entire team within a few weeks and think only short-term. We weren't trying to circumvent this aspect, we just wanted to find a deal that was fair both ways.
And i agree with that, just want to make sure everyone is on the same page.

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12-03-2012, 09:50 PM
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It's a definite loophole in the trade rules, since trade 2 makes up for the lopsided trade 1. I would veto trade 2 and see if they still want to even do trade 1.

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I'll say make it two trades. That said the 2nd trade is pretty lopsided but it's obviously tied into the first trade.
Which really makes it one total trade. Clearly. They were both announced at the exact same time. I think it circumvents the trade rule personally. If i'm wrong, and the value for the 1st trade is fair to both GMs, then and should have no problem voiding out the 2nd trade.

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12-03-2012, 09:51 PM
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I'm fine with this trade then if it circumvents the 6 trade asset rule, nothing wrong with that imo, if a team wants to use both of its trades to make one big one why not?

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12-03-2012, 09:53 PM
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Definitely didn't know that.

So we don't have to PM them to you, but we need to post, and have the other GM confirm, then have you weigh in in the thread and say "yes" before we submit it in game?
A trade is not confirmed by the Commissioner and approved in game, until one GM posts the trade in the trade section and the other GM PUBLICALLY confirms it in the trade section. No PM is necessary

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12-03-2012, 09:53 PM
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Well I tend to agree just didn't want to be the one shouting veto.

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I'm fine with this trade then if it circumvents the 6 trade asset rule, nothing wrong with that imo, if a team wants to use both of its trades to make one big one why not?
The only question is, if Sensi were to void out the 2nd trade, would and GMs be content with just the 1st trade?

Edit: Specifically the value

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12-03-2012, 10:04 PM
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So i guess the question goes to and

would you confirm the 1st trade without the 2nd?

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So i guess the question goes to and

would you confirm the 1st trade without the 2nd?
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Than i'm not going to be able to allow it. Sorry not going to let you guys find a loophole to the rules. Im fine with you guys using both trades with each other, but both trades must be independently fair.

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Than i'm not going to be able to allow it. Sorry not going to let you guys find a loophole to the rules. Im fine with you guys using both trades with each other, but both trades must be independently fair.
So I have to receive less back because you don't think the 2nd trade is fair? If is okay with it I don't really see what the issue is.

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12-03-2012, 10:13 PM
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That's a lot of movement, including one clear franchise player. The value (combined) is fair, but I thought the limit on the trades was to avoid this exactly.

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12-03-2012, 10:21 PM
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So I have to receive less back because you don't think the 2nd trade is fair? If is okay with it I don't really see what the issue is.
Trades don't just affect you two. They affect any potential new GMs as well as the rest of the league.

Not to mention its admittedly a bad deal value wise if they stand on their own. Circumvention of the rules

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12-03-2012, 10:23 PM
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By the way, if this league is trying to be as realistic as possible, Weber can't be traded until next off-season anyways due to the offer sheet fiasco with Philly. That may or may not matter to anyone, but just something to consider.

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Trades don't just affect you two. They affect any potential new GMs as well as the rest of the league.

Not to mention its admittedly a bad deal value wise if they stand on their own. Circumvention of the rules
But the commissioner just said he's okay with us using the 2 trades with each other, but I have to receive less because it doesn't seem fair.

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