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12-03-2012, 09:36 PM
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To Toronto:Hiller, Raymond Getlaf

To Anahiem:Schnieder, Bozak, Tor 2nd (2013)Van 1st (2013), Kassain , Kadri, Colbourne , Toronto 2014 1st

To Vancouver: Perry, Etem

Thoughts?

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12-03-2012, 09:40 PM
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Leafs could just sign Getz.

Canucks can just sign Perry.


Well at least attempt to.

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12-03-2012, 09:45 PM
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Assuming Perry and Getzlaf are unable to come to terms with the Ducks, and they decide to full-out rebuild, it might make sense for them.

However, if that were the case, Schneider, Kassian, 1st would be overpayment for a soon-to-be-UFA Perry. Either Kassian or the 1st would have to be dropped, imo.

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12-03-2012, 09:46 PM
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Ducks gets fleeced.

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Seems like the Leafs really cash out here, coming from a Leafs fan.

Getzlaf, Hiller Raymond for Bozak, Kadri, Colborne, 1st 2014, 2nd 2013?

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12-03-2012, 09:52 PM
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To Toronto:Hiller, Raymond Getlaf

To Anahiem:Schnieder, Bozak, Tor 2nd (2013)Van 1st (2013), Kassain , Kadri, Colbourne , Toronto 2014 1st

To Vancouver: Perry, Etem

Thoughts?
Etem and Kerdiles aren't going anywhere.

The last thing we need to fill up on are prospects and picks. It's a pile of value, but not anything that necessitates us doing this.


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Etem and Kerdiles aren't going anywhere.

The last thing we need to fill up on are prospects and picks. It's a pile of value, but not anything that necessitates us doing this.
Etem and Kerdiles are untouchable? Malkin is disappoint.

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Etem and Kerdiles are untouchable? Malkin is disappoint.
Yes, it's crazy that a team might not want to trade two of the most talented players to come from their backyard.

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12-03-2012, 11:08 PM
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So Anaheim basically becomes a worse version of the Leafs....

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12-03-2012, 11:23 PM
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I love it. Anaheim basically guts their entire core for picks and 3rd/4th liners.

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12-03-2012, 11:34 PM
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If this trade were to happen who would play #1 center, which they have getzlaf for, and who would play #2 center where they already have a hole.

Bozak
Kadri/Holland
Koivu
Colborne/Cogliano

Just look at that fantastic center depth.

Yea, that's not going to make the ducks do this. The only reason Anaheim even considers looking at this is the slight upgrade in net, a few good prospects, and the chance that the Toronto first rounder could be top 5 or top 10. But, they give up the their #1 goaltender, #1 center, #1 winger, and #1 prospect, so tell me why they do this because IMO Anaheim is done rebuilding.

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Lol let's trade our entire core for a collection of B-tier players (for the most part)

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Leafs could just sign Getz.

Canucks can just sign Perry.


Well at least attempt to.
This is the key. Getzlaf isn't going anywhere.

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Etem and Kerdiles are untouchable? Malkin is disappoint.
They're clearly not UNTOUCHABLE, but it's gonna take something stupid to move them.

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12-03-2012, 11:59 PM
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Can someone make a lineup for the tree teams after this trade?

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12-04-2012, 12:01 AM
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Why would either Getz or Perry ever want to leave ANA?

They've won thier cup - Perry is coming off a Rocket Richard trophy win
They already make a ton of money - only going to get more.

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Why would either Getz or Perry ever want to leave ANA?

They've won thier cup - Perry is coming off a Rocket Richard trophy win
They already make a ton of money - only going to get more.
Seen the defense?

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To Toronto:Hiller, Raymond Getlaf

To Anahiem:Schnieder, Bozak, Tor 2nd (2013)Van 1st (2013), Kassain , Kadri, Colbourne , Toronto 2014 1st

To Vancouver: Perry, Etem

Thoughts?
That team would be good for a D4: Mighty Ducks Movie

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12-04-2012, 03:01 AM
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Wow... and suddenly everyone stops going to watch the Ducks.

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Raymond Getzlaf.

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To Toronto:Hiller, Raymond Getlaf

To Anahiem:Schnieder, Bozak, Tor 2nd (2013)Van 1st (2013), Kassain , Kadri, Colbourne , Toronto 2014 1st

To Vancouver: Perry, Etem

Thoughts?
This is awful for the Ducks and the Leafs make out like bandits!

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12-04-2012, 04:06 AM
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Good lord does Anaheim get fleeced in this trade. I mean, I guess if it's confirmed Getzlaf and Perry don't want to sign in Anaheim then this would be a good return, but obv if those two want to stay then this is just downright awful.

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12-04-2012, 05:00 AM
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Any proposal having Perry, Getzlaf or Hiller in it raises eyebrows. Having all three in one I'm sorry I only have to . Trading three fan favorites in one off-season isn't the way to go. Add to that Selanne retires any year now.

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i wish those three way trade proposals would just stop.

but that's just me...

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12-04-2012, 07:16 AM
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To Toronto:Hiller, Raymond Getlaf

To Anahiem:Schnieder, Bozak, Tor 2nd (2013)Van 1st (2013), Kassain , Kadri, Colbourne , Toronto 2014 1st

To Vancouver: Perry, Etem

Thoughts?
I think the thoughts leading to the proposal are all over the place, and there doesn't seem to be a reasonable goal the Ducks would be looking at. I can understand people looking at Getzlaf and Perry as they are unsigned, and making proposals that are typical high-caliber rental deals. It doesn't really make sense to force them into a single proposal.

The inclusion of Hiller is another thing, as there's less of a reason to even bring him up. It's only after forcing the Ducks further into the "rebuild" mode through the Getzlaf/Perry proposals it would become even somewhat worthy of consideration. But then again, even for Getzlaf/Perry, let alone for Hiller, the Ducks will likely not be looking at your average "rebuild" trades for picks and (long-term) prospects, given a s significantly above-average prospect pool to begin with, and would look at pieces that are closer to contributing, or already are contributing (to a smaller degree, of course). A 2014 1st round pick isn't going to be a great selling point.

What's most incoherent about the proposal, however, is that after forcing the Ducks down rebuild-road, it still includes one of the organisation's best prospects in Etem, who's value is even bigger to the club given his hometown-kid status. Trading Perry/Getzlaf and trading Etem would be going entirely opposing directions.

Value-wise, what it ends up would be:
[ANA/VAN] Perry for Schneider, Raymond (to be then traded to TOR), 2013 1st
[ANA/VAN] Etem for Kassian
... which, IMO, aren't entirely off base - purely in "vacuum-value", ignoring things like Etem's meaning to the Ducks, their specific needs, etc. Those would have the Ducks take Etem out of the conversation, and look for different offers for Perry, IMO.

And then, we'd get to:
[ANA/TOR] Getzlaf for Bozak, Kadri, 2014 1st
[ANA/TOR] Hiller for Colborne
[ANA/TOR] Raymond for 2013 2nd
... with the last one being about fair, and the first two ones presenting varying degrees of awefulness for the Ducks.


tl;dr-version: Value isn't good and there seems to be no plan in it for the Ducks, also leaving their organisational needs rather untouched. The idea seems to be "how can I force a Perry to Vancouver and Getzlaf (and Hiller) to Toronto trade" rather than exploring what the Ducks will want and be able to do if it ever came to having to trade them, when the latter question is the one that's capable of being a solid basis to build a good proposal on.

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Assuming Perry and Getzlaf are unable to come to terms with the Ducks, and they decide to full-out rebuild, it might make sense for them.

However, if that were the case, Schneider, Kassian, 1st would be overpayment for a soon-to-be-UFA Perry. Either Kassian or the 1st would have to be dropped, imo.
for me the ducks make a killing on the deal

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they can't trade getzlaf and perry, and I hope they will sign them cuz if they don't i believe the ducks franchise will die slowly.

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