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12-04-2012, 10:12 AM
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Just saw Granderson is available via trade, and has 1 year and 15M left.

Not saying I want him, but hypothetically... if you wanted to put together a team that could compete this year, on older guys with 2-3 year contracts, you could definitely do it.

Darwin
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That would be a solid lineup at the least. You would just need to bring in a quality #2 guy, like say bring Dempster back... you'd have a contender.

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Fergie Jenkins on the Hot Stove on the MLBN... looks pretty damn good for a 69 year old man.

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Just saw Granderson is available via trade, and has 1 year and 15M left.

Not saying I want him, but hypothetically... if you wanted to put together a team that could compete this year, on older guys with 2-3 year contracts, you could definitely do it.

Darwin
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Soriano
Rizzo
Starlin

That would be a solid lineup at the least. You would just need to bring in a quality #2 guy, like say bring Dempster back... you'd have a contender.
Darwin leading off?

Castro could probably do it again if need be.

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Darwin leading off?
Eh, just threw him up there for the hell of it... I guess Granderson should be the leadoff guy, hypothetically, but I'm not a big fan of 150+ Ks out of the leadoff spot. Hell, last year he struck out at an Adam Dunn like pace... 195 times. When I posted that, really had Darwin in mind as the #2 guy, and not sure exactly who would leadoff. DeJesus maybe?


I want Castro to earn it, and hit his way out of the 5-6 spot, and not gift wrap him anything. Needs to produce better this year at the plate, much better.

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Apparently the Cubs are chasing Yunel Escobar to play 3rd. I could mess with that for a half season. If he's competent there and hits, he'll be reasonably valuable at the TDL.

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Apparently the Cubs are chasing Yunel Escobar to play 3rd. I could mess with that for a half season. If he's competent there and hits, he'll be reasonably valuable at the TDL.
No way. Keep him the **** away from the Cubs. This guy has the most rotted personality and attitude you can ever imagine. When he was with the Braves, he refused to even try to learn any English and made everyone speak to him in Spanish because he is such a dick. He isn't that good that I will put up with an attitude like that. Pretty sure every team that has traded him, has performed better after doing so.

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Eh, just threw him up there for the hell of it... I guess Granderson should be the leadoff guy, hypothetically, but I'm not a big fan of 150+ Ks out of the leadoff spot. Hell, last year he struck out at an Adam Dunn like pace... 195 times. When I posted that, really had Darwin in mind as the #2 guy, and not sure exactly who would leadoff. DeJesus maybe?


I want Castro to earn it, and hit his way out of the 5-6 spot, and not gift wrap him anything. Needs to produce better this year at the plate, much better.
The reason I brought Starlin up is because his walk rate steadily improved last year. There's no reason to think that's not sustainable, especially because it was after Rowson was hired and constantly working with him on it. If he can put up close to 60 walks a year, he'll be fine out of the 1 spot.

I don't like Grandy out of the 1 either. DeJesus could do it as well.

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No way. Keep him the **** away from the Cubs. This guy has the most rotted personality and attitude you can ever imagine. When he was with the Braves, he refused to even try to learn any English and made everyone speak to him in Spanish because he is such a dick. He isn't that good that I will put up with an attitude like that. Pretty sure every team that has traded him, has performed better after doing so.
Did not know that. Quickest flip flop in the history of ever.

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12-04-2012, 11:00 AM
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The reason I brought Starlin up is because his walk rate steadily improved last year. There's no reason to think that's not sustainable, especially because it was after Rowson was hired and constantly working with him on it. If he can put up close to 60 walks a year, he'll be fine out of the 1 spot.

I don't like Grandy out of the 1 either. DeJesus could do it as well.
April-July were pretty much the same, between 2-5 walks per month. August and September/October were better for sure, though. I don't even think I'd ask for 60 out of him. I'd be fine with 50 if he were hitting .310+.


Grandy is definitely more of a 3 or 5 IMO... I wonder what the Yanks will want for him. I'm sure they'll ask for what a real 40 HR guy would get, even though I don't think anyone would expect 40+ jacks out of him outside of that stadium.


Back to Yunel... yeah, the stories I've heard from him within the clubhouse are just absolutely insane... and actually are from Chipper Jones. Have a buddy is friends with him, and he lives a few minutes from our general area and have sat at the bar with him every now and then during the winter when he was relaxing. Speaking of dicks, he can be a massive one himself.

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April-July were pretty much the same, between 2-5 walks per month. August and September/October were better for sure, though. I don't even think I'd ask for 60 out of him. I'd be fine with 50 if he were hitting .310+.


Grandy is definitely more of a 3 or 5 IMO... I wonder what the Yanks will want for him. I'm sure they'll ask for what a real 40 HR guy would get, even though I don't think anyone would expect 40+ jacks out of him outside of that stadium.


Back to Yunel... yeah, the stories I've heard from him within the clubhouse are just absolutely insane... and actually are from Chipper Jones. Have a buddy is friends with him, and he lives a few minutes from our general area and have sat at the bar with him every now and then during the winter when he was relaxing. Speaking of dicks, he can be a massive one himself.
All he needs is an 8% walk rate, which comes out closer to 60, then he's perfectly fine with OBPs north of .350. Heck, in 2011, he'd have an OBP of .370. Nom nom nom

I wasn't really on board with getting him in the first place, but I would assume it would start with one of the second tier, b grade guys. He's not going to net any of Baez, Almora or Soler.

Chipper can be a dick. He's awesome. Yicketty.

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All he needs is an 8% walk rate, which comes out closer to 60, then he's perfectly fine with OBPs north of .350. Heck, in 2011, he'd have an OBP of .370. Nom nom nom

I wasn't really on board with getting him in the first place, but I would assume it would start with one of the second tier, b grade guys. He's not going to net any of Baez, Almora or Soler.

Chipper can be a dick. He's awesome. Yicketty.


Sounds great to me.


I only brought it up because you might be able to get him without giving up one of those 3... and like I said, you could build a contender fairly cheaply, and not be stuck with massive longterm contracts. You'd just need to add one more quality pitcher, and you could definitely give the division a run.


I've never been a fan of him, and having met him hasn't really changed my opinion of him either. I hope he has nothing to do with announcing or anything of that nature, unless it's just local Braves coverage that I won't pay attention to.

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Sounds great to me.


I only brought it up because you might be able to get him without giving up one of those 3... and like I said, you could build a contender fairly cheaply, and not be stuck with massive longterm contracts. You'd just need to add one more quality pitcher, and you could definitely give the division a run.


I've never been a fan of him, and having met him hasn't really changed my opinion of him either. I hope he has nothing to do with announcing or anything of that nature, unless it's just local Braves coverage that I won't pay attention to.
That is true. There's also some potential there to flip him if he plays out well, but that probably wouldn't be a likely scenario.

I've always liked Chipper but I'd assume he's stick pretty hard in Atlanta.

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Apparently the Cubs are chasing Yunel Escobar to play 3rd. I could mess with that for a half season. If he's competent there and hits, he'll be reasonably valuable at the TDL.
Where has this been stated when the only thing thats been said is they are in on aquiriing him?

Also, you have stated a couple times how the new batting coach has helped Castro with his horrible plate disciplne when his agent says the pressure of his contract was what was getting to him;

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs...ffected-castro

Lahair walked more then Cstro in 300 less at bats. Thats something a hitting coach can never fix.

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Need to see Castro do it for a few months to start the season before I believe in his change in approach. If he can get that walk rate to around 8% or 9%, I'll be very pleased.

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Where has this been stated when the only thing thats been said is they are in on aquiriing him?

Also, you have stated a couple times how the new batting coach has helped Castro with his horrible plate disciplne when his agent says the pressure of his contract was what was getting to him;

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs...ffected-castro

Lahair walked more then Cstro in 300 less at bats. Thats something a hitting coach can never fix.
That is the worst comparison I ever seen. Even terrible by your standards. Might as well compare Cutler's K/AB rate as well.


What a joke.

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Where has this been stated when the only thing thats been said is they are in on aquiriing him?

Also, you have stated a couple times how the new batting coach has helped Castro with his horrible plate disciplne when his agent says the pressure of his contract was what was getting to him;

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs...ffected-castro

Lahair walked more then Cstro in 300 less at bats. Thats something a hitting coach can never fix.
Theo said they may have to get someone who hasn't played third to play there. Putting two and two together.

Rowson was hired in June. Castro's walk rate was 2.3% prior to his hiring. In the subsequent months, Castro's walk went went to 4.5%, 5.8%, 9.0%, and 6.8%.

Castro may very well have been affected, but it seems like he was affected more with putting the ball in play, which was actually out of the ordinary with a career low BABIP. He showed that if he can continue to improve his walk totals, he can fit incredibly well anywhere in the lineup.

Not even going to dignify the LaHair bit with a response.

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Haren 1 year deal with the Nats for #13 mil.

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Haren 1 year deal with the Nats for #13 mil.
That's a decent penny for him... I know I've made it clear that I wanted him here. If we brought him in, and a solid bat, I think we could have given the division a run... would still have a top pick in this summer's draft, and not be locked into any 4-5 year contracts that guys like Edwin or Anibal are going to get. Also a decent shot you can flip Haren at the deadline to a contender if things don't pan out and the team doesn't compete.

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Gotta feeling Jupton gets moved in the next day or so... Heyman reporting the Dbacks are shopping him HARD.

Mariners now jumping in the mix. Forgot the prospects they mentioned, but they gave Arizona a call and asked if their SP and SS prospects would be a enough. Really don't want to see him in Seattle, as a fan of him.

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Gotta feeling Jupton gets moved in the next day or so... Heyman reporting the Dbacks are shopping him HARD.

Mariners now jumping in the mix. Forgot the prospects they mentioned, but they gave Arizona a call and asked if their SP and SS prospects would be a enough. Really don't want to see him in Seattle, as a fan of him.
Nick Franklin could be in the same group as Andrelton, the problem is he's not proven yet.

An outfield with Upton and Hamilton would be pretty nasty.

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Nick Franklin could be in the same group as Andrelton, the problem is he's not proven yet.

An outfield with Upton and Hamilton would be pretty nasty.
Rumor has it they offered him and Taijuan Walker.


I think he's going to be a Brave, honestly, and that they will have the best defensive and offensive OF in the MLB.

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Jason Heyward and the Upton brosephs in the outfield would be pretty sweet for Atlanta.

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Rumor has it they offered him and Taijuan Walker.


I think he's going to be a Brave, honestly, and that they will have the best defensive and offensive OF in the MLB.
The Mariners' system is one I really like, so I see the DBacks getting a good return here.

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They'll probably get a nice marketing bump too. They'll label them the new big three and target the black community.

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