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12-04-2012, 12:22 PM
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A bunch of dirty rotten habs fans such as myself are going to be secretly rooting for the US this year. Go Gally!

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12-04-2012, 12:26 PM
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Shame that Kerdiles didn't get a chance but it's understandable. If the injury hasn't broken down Gibson's form this year than we should be getting some terrific goaltending. He's been great for Kitchener this year.

Excited to watch Trouba and Jones...I'm assuming they'll be paired. Galchenyuk should be fun to watch.

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12-04-2012, 12:29 PM
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Honestly I'm more worried about the big ice and it's different angles for Gibson than I am his injury at this point.

I'm also very disappointed by Kerdiles omission, but I have a suspicion he isn't 100% with his knee.

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12-04-2012, 12:34 PM
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For those talking about Kerdiles, here's Jim Johansson's (Team GM) quote:

"We have not ruled out the idea of adding players to the camp. [Kerdiles] will continue to be evaluated based on unique situation"

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12-04-2012, 12:35 PM
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My team, but damn this is going to be a very different team than last years so I am happy about that.



Gaudreau - Galchenyuk - Miller
Matteau - Trocheck - Barber
Lucia - Grimaldi - Biggs
Vesey - Kuraly - Noesen
Hartman

Reilly - Trouba
McCabe - Jones
Skjei - Murphy
Grzelcyk

Gibson
Gillies

I can actually see them bring all three goalers to Russia. A good blend of size, toughness, skating ability, and talent. Look at that third line and the potential of reeking havoc against the opponents defensemen. Vesey is my darkhorse for this team, I think he has great ability to play a bottom 6 role effectively. The only thing I don't like is Kuraly as my 4th line centre, I think USA hockey could've selected one with more talent offensively, IMO.

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12-04-2012, 12:37 PM
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Since I already posted a roster I'll give some more thoughts on all the players in contention. Obviously I've seen a lot more of some than others but I've seen them all at some point.

GOALIES (3)

John Gibson - No question he's the starter if injury doesn't bother him. I have more confidence in him this year than I've had in any goalie for a US U20 team in years.

Jon Gillies - Has always been great in league play but always seems to struggle in a US uniform. I view him as the third goalie and I'm not sure he'll see any time.

Garret Sparks - The back up in my mind. If all is well with Gibson he may not play more than half a game.

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Shayne Gostisbehere - Strong offensive player with very limited international experience. He was the big surprise at the summer evaluation and has been quite solid from all accounts with Union so I like him for a top four spot.

Matt Grzelcyk - I personally like him a lot as I feel he's extremely smart in his own zone and in transition which is a spot some others who are similar in offensive ability to him have struggled. He might only end up in a depth role but I don't view him as purely an offensive specialist and I'd trust him in an expanded role.

Seth Jones - Top defender on the team. Greatest strength in my mind is his ability to deal with a heavy forecheck and initiate a successful break out. That will be huge against a team like Canada who tend to be all over opposing defenders.

Jake McCabe - A lot of people like him but I'm just not a huge fan. He's seemed tentative when I've watched him and has been a bit mistake prone in a way that I could see teams taking advantage of. The same could be said of some others though so he certainly has a chance to make the team, though I hope it's only in a depth role.

Connor Murphy - Has been a defensive rock for US teams in the past and I hope he can return to that form. Has not had the kind of season thus far that I'd hope for.

Mike Reilly - May be the most talented d-man on this list inside the offensive zone but he's been a real defensive liability this season. I expect him to make it but he may have to be sheltered a bit if he does.

Patrick Sieloff - Unique type for this group so that gives him a better chance of making it. If he plays within himself I'd be fine with it but he's gotten into trouble trying to do too much in the past when I've seen him.

Brady Skjei - Not a great start to the year for him but he has some positive attributes that the coaching staff probably like which could help him make the team. Another guy I wouldn't want to see with too large a role.

Jacob Trouba - He'll have to anchor the second pair regardless of who he ends up with. I just want him to play a hard nosed, defense first kind of game.

FORWARDS (15)

Cole Bardreau - Solid option for the fourth line center role but I just don't see him making it.

Riley Barber - Surprised by the quality of his start and could chip in as offensive depth though I don't see him as a top 6 guy.

Tyler Biggs - Just needs to play a tough, grinding game and try to create some offense by going to the net. Had a good summer camp and I think USA Hockey likes him enough to overlook the skating deficiency.

Alex Galchenyuk - The offense needs to flow through him. Hasn't produced much in a US uniform previously but I hope his recent hot play carries over.

John Gaudreau - Great skills but is another who hasn't done much in a US uniform. I'm sure he'll be a featured offensive player for the team so I hope he gets things going with somebody as far as chemistry goes.

Rocco Grimaldi - One of my favorites. Hasn't dominated in college as much as I thought he would but he's been a warrior for US teams over the years. I hope he lives up to my high expectations for him.

Ryan Hartman - Solid skills and gritty. Good enough for a depth role this year as long as he doesn't take foolish penalties like he's done many times in the past.

Sean Kuraly - Awesome at the summer camp. Has had a terrible start offensively this year but I still feel his size and speed can be an asset for the US team even if he can't generate offense the way he did this summer.

Mario Lucia - Really like his skill set and provided the injury doesn't hinder him (doesn't seem to be) I like his chances at a top 6 role.

Stefan Matteau - Same story as Hartman.

J.T. Miller - Showed some nice chemistry with Galchenyuk in limited time together at the summer camp and should be an offensive leader for the team.

Stefan Noesen - Haven't always felt he's as good as some hype him to be but should be set for a top 6 role.

Blake Pietila - Great role player. I think any team could use a guy like him.

Vince Trocheck - I've always liked his game and I think he's a sure bet for the team.

Jim Vesey - Good player and I could certainly see him making it as he brings a good bit of versatility.

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12-04-2012, 01:26 PM
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John Gaudreau - Great skills but is another who hasn't done much in a US uniform. I'm sure he'll be a featured offensive player for the team so I hope he gets things going with somebody as far as chemistry goes.
Are you saying this because he hasn't played for the US much or because you feel he doesn't perform. He's only played internationally for the US once and he had 4 points in 5 games.

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12-04-2012, 01:33 PM
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Samuelsson and Erne are snubbed. I'm rooting for Russia. I loathe how the US program is run.

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12-04-2012, 01:37 PM
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Samuelsson and Erne are snubbed. I'm rooting for Russia. I loathe how the US program is run.
Neither of them are snubs, especially on the level you seem to be implying.

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12-04-2012, 01:40 PM
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Samuelsson and Erne are snubbed. I'm rooting for Russia. I loathe how the US program is run.
What exactly are you implying? What bias is evident? It's certainly not anti-CHL. It's also not anti-draft eligible. The only real bias is anti-poor skating, or in Erne's case too green. He'll be there next year.

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12-04-2012, 01:40 PM
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Not surprised at all Skjei made the cut, and won't be surprised if he makes the team as well. His skating is just that impressive.

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12-04-2012, 01:45 PM
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I think you guys will be pleasantly surprised with Biggs' skating, he's been working on it this year and it shows.

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Are you saying this because he hasn't played for the US much or because you feel he doesn't perform. He's only played internationally for the US once and he had 4 points in 5 games.
He's played for the US twice actually; the recent summer evaluation camp and a few years back at the Ivan Hlinka U18 tournament. His numbers weren't terrible with 4 points in 5 games at each tournament but given his game and skill set, which should be all about leading the offense, I set my standards higher for him than I would for most.

There are people out that feel he'll torch this tournament and I'm not entirely sure they're right. He'll get his chance though and I hope he proves them correct.

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12-04-2012, 01:51 PM
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Samuelsson and Erne are snubbed. I'm rooting for Russia. I loathe how the US program is run.
Hardly

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I'm looking forward to the Gostisbehere - Jones potential pairing. That duo has an opportunity to be the best tandem in the tournament this year. As well, at the summer camp, Gostisbehere showed just how well he can move the puck and ran the power play. Expecting a big tournament from him.

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12-04-2012, 01:59 PM
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Nonsense.

Samuelsson is better than half the forwards that were invited. At least.

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Excited to see that Matteau will play top six or top nine minutes.

What are Pietila's chances? I don't know too much but I'm assuming he's going up against like three or four guys looking to play the fourth line role that he will bring. Who are the guys that at this point are fourth line or bust?

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Nonsense.

Samuelsson is better than half the forwards that were invited. At least.
The US doesn't have the luxury of inviting all the best players like Canada does. They have to make a team. They have to have their top six, their checking/gritty third line, and their energy fourth line. You can see it in the guys they invited. They've got their top six players Galchenyuk/Miller/Noeson, Matteau/Biggs for the third line, and role players like Vesey and Pietila.

If I'm correct, Samuelsson is just like Matteau/Biggs/Hartman. From what I've read/heard, Matteau and Biggs have played much better than him. For that reason, he'd have to beat out those two and/or Hartman for that role.

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Nonsense.

Samuelsson is better than half the forwards that were invited. At least.
As a NHL prospect I agree with you. That said, he's just not a great for this team, this year, on this surface.

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A bunch of dirty rotten habs fans such as myself are going to be secretly rooting for the US this year. Go Gally!
I always root Habs before country.

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The US doesn't have the luxury of inviting all the best players like Canada does. They have to make a team. They have to have their top six, their checking/gritty third line, and their energy fourth line. You can see it in the guys they invited. They've got their top six players Galchenyuk/Miller/Noeson, Matteau/Biggs for the third line, and role players like Vesey and Pietila.

If I'm correct, Samuelsson is just like Matteau/Biggs/Hartman. From what I've read/heard, Matteau and Biggs have played much better than him. For that reason, he'd have to beat out those two and/or Hartman for that role.
Nonsense. And why cant the US invite their best players? Samuelsson can play any role you want him to top or bottom six. Ditto for Erne who likely should have been there as well.

Its all good though, if the US doesnt want to take their best players, then so be it.

You would think after the last WJC there would have been some firings and a complete overhaul of the way they do things....

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Nonsense.

Samuelsson is better than half the forwards that were invited. At least.
Which players specifically?

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Nonsense. And why cant the US invite their best players? Samuelsson can play any role you want him to top or bottom six. Ditto for Erne who likely should have been there as well.

Its all good though, if the US doesnt want to take their best players, then so be it.

You would think after the last WJC there would have been some firings and a complete overhaul of the way they do things....
Right, only one year removed from a bronze and two from a gold. The team just never came together last year-it happens.

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Since when does Biggs have a skating deficiency? I think he will surprise a lot of people this wjc.

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Is gally even allowed i thought there was trouble with which country or something?

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