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12-04-2012, 12:55 PM
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LeBlanc will be a better NHLer than those 3.
I sure hope so, it won't be easy.

Particularly if you talk about Beauchemin and Robidas.

I would be happy with a Beauchemin-type career for Leblanc (top 3-4 player of the team for 4-5 years)

Second point: I'm happy Drouin got invited, this team is filled with two way forwards and snipers, a good old playmaker might get a spot.

Call me a homer if you want...

Huberdeau - RNH - Ty Rattie (Pretty set in stone imo)(Icetime= 30%) PP
Drouin - Scheifele - Mckinnon (Icetime = 23%) PP
Hudon - Strome - Tom Wilson ? (Icetime = 25%) PK
JC Lipon - Jenner - Sissons? ( Icetime = 22%) PK
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Just not sure what will happen on the RW, lots of debates after Ty Rattie.
I don't see Mckinnon playing center, but I could be wrong, even Crosby played wing. Scheifele might be the best escort possible for Drouin and Mckinnon, let the kids play, take care of the D and support them. That could be Strome as well. Catenacci can play all positions if someone get hurt. Jenner could play wing, but he's a returnee, they often get better spots than they should.

I will be 100% proven wrong about this post, I just feel it haha. There are just too many very close competition for spots at that camp to make a prediction right now. I hope the coaches won't make the classical Canadian mistake of going with too much defense, we will need some speed & scoring to win against Sweden and Russia this year, that's why Mckinnon and Drouin are kinda important. There are also a LOT of 17s years old at that camp. Not sure how Shinkaruk and Monahan could make it. Monahan would have to flat out dominate Scheifele and Strome, I just don't see that happening. Shinkaruk could have more of a play, but in the end it's better to go with a 19 years old for two way forwards, if only for their experience and strength.

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I'd start with keeping Mack, Drouin and Huberdeau together. See if they can build off the chemistry they showed at the Super Series.

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Unfortunately, TC is so stubborn that we all know that there'll be 2 checking/grinding lines and there's no way they take a pair of 17 year olds in Drouin and MacKinnon due to the usual ''gotta be experienced or at least 18 years old'' unwritten rule.

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Unfortunately, TC is so stubborn that we all know that there'll be 2 checking/grinding lines and there's no way they take a pair of 17 year olds in Drouin and MacKinnon due to the usual ''gotta be experienced or at least 18 years old'' unwritten rule.
We'll see. Ordinarily that's true, but I don't see how they can justify leaving those two off when they're tearing it up the way they are. Plus they come with built-in chemistry. Very valuable for any short tournament.

If TC sticks to its old ways, it'll be another silver or worse. This is no longer a tournament that Canada can just show up to and expect a gold. Other teams are evolving and adjusting, and Canada isn't...so far, at least.

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We'll see. Ordinarily that's true, but I don't see how they can justify leaving those two off when they're tearing it up the way they are. Plus they come with built-in chemistry. Very valuable for any short tournament.

If TC sticks to its old ways, it'll be another silver or worse. This is no longer a tournament that Canada can just show up to and expect a gold. Other teams are evolving and adjusting, and Canada isn't...so far, at least.
Agreed. Particularly in a lockout year where every teams gets NHL-ready 19 years old.

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Unfortunately, TC is so stubborn that we all know that there'll be 2 checking/grinding lines and there's no way they take a pair of 17 year olds in Drouin and MacKinnon due to the usual ''gotta be experienced or at least 18 years old'' unwritten rule.
If your definitions of "checkers/grinders" includes guys like McNeill Hudon Jenner Wilson then I'm all for that. This isn't a 2013 draft showcase, you're trying to win the tournament and it's a 19 year old tournament for the most part.

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If your definitions of "checkers/grinders" includes guys like McNeill Hudon Jenner Wilson then I'm all for that. This isn't a 2013 draft showcase, you're trying to win the tournament and it's a 19 year old tournament for the most part.
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But for the most part, the top six forward positions appear to be spoken for with mostly bona fide NHL-calibre talent. That could leave a lot of gifted offensive players - draft eligibles Jonathan Drouin of Halifax, Kamloops Blazers forward J.C. Lipon, Medicine Hat's Hunter Shinkaruk as well as Ottawa Senators first-rounder Matt Puempel of Kitchener - on the outside looking in. If these skilled players don't fit in the top six, they're unlikely to be considered for third- or fourth-line duty.
That's my fear, seems like there's already a definition of what they want for their 3rd and 4th lines.

Tom Wilson and Mark McNeil are not better players than Drouin, but with how TC puts the team together, their odds of making it are probably higher going into the camp.

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The point of the WJHC is to win not who can light up the non contenders the most. If you go in without strong role players no way you beat the top teams.
With a line up that looks like this we wouldn't just win, we would **** them like 12-3 each game

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Yeah I really expect them to only carry one 17 years old at best and it will probably be McKinnon. Guys like Danault, Wilson and Mcneil will probably get a spot ahead of Drouin and Shikaruk.Historically Team Canada has always figured that they'll get all the offense they need if the PP is efficient enough and that they need to have one defensive line and one energy line to wear the better teams down. I'm not sure that philosophy is still good enough to win the tourney mind you but I expect them to still go with the old formula this year.

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Well if Mckenzie is pointing to the top 6 by saying. "Here is the top 6 player of the team in all roles" than he's right. However, Hudon and Strome are two-way forward, there is a place for a more offensive line on the roster. That is where Drouin fits. If you take my roster vs what Mckenzie is saying: (I'm basically saying the same thing with my icetime predictions)

Mckenzie
Huberdeau - RNH - Scheifele
Hudon - Strome - Rattie

My roster by icetime
Huberdeau - RNH - Rattie
Hudon - Strome - Wilson

We agree on 5 players and we agree on the spot in contention (1 RW spot)

Considerations:

- I don't see Hudon and Strome as the 2nd best offensive threat with PP time, so I don't consider them top 6, rather bottom 6 with top 6 time(vs the best players on the other side)

- That's where I think Mckenzie logic is faulty. Rattie with Huddon and Strome is NOT the right combination since Rattie needs space and opportunities. Your best sniper need the best player beside him and that is RNH. I could see Rattie with Drouin and Mack but, that would be defensively bad.

I could easily see the roster like this as well:
JCL - RNH - Rattie
Hudon-Strome-Scheifele
Drouin - Mack - Huberdeau
? - Jenner - Wilson

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