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12-02-2012, 11:30 AM
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Pavel Datsyuk gets a lot of credit for being a "winner," especially when he's getting compared to players like Ovechkin and Thornton, but Detroit hasn't gotten past the second round with him as anything more than their third best player.
I find this to be less an argument against an individual player and more an argument against the stupidity of branding a given player a "winner" just because their 20 man team happens to be good enough to win various trophies/championships. There's no magical ability that one guy can have that suddenly wills the rest of his team to win, beyond being better at hockey than whoever else might be in his position. This is why guys like Scott Niedermayer are overrated.

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12-02-2012, 11:55 AM
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12-02-2012, 12:02 PM
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That label is just from the people who delusionally think that Fehr is completely controlling the NHLPA and that players like Hamrlik are the majority, when clearly they're a minority.
True, but Erik Cole has still proven to be whiny, irritating and selfish during the lockout.

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12-02-2012, 12:07 PM
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Subban and that classless thing about him.

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so hes the best defenseman in the NHL?

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12-02-2012, 12:14 PM
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Jarome Iginla isn't really a good leader.

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12-02-2012, 12:20 PM
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Jordan Staal's offense isn't finally catching up to his defense. His offensive improvements have directly come from a decline in his defensive focus.

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12-02-2012, 01:26 PM
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12-02-2012, 01:53 PM
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People used to call Sean Avery a dirty player. In fact him and Matt Cooke were always mentioned together.

Now you can call Avery alot of things: pest, coward, irritant, ****** bag, disgrace, jerk, cancer, etc. etc. etc.

But the fact of the matter is he was never, not once, suspended for an on-ice incident.
Unless you include the suspension for collecting too many diving penalties in a season (and I believe the ONLY player nailed when that rule took effect)...I think you're right...

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12-02-2012, 03:00 PM
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True, but Erik Cole has still proven to be whiny, irritating and selfish during the lockout.
Completely disagree.

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12-02-2012, 03:06 PM
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True, but Erik Cole has still proven to be whiny, irritating and selfish during the lockout.
Cole is and always has been a major tool

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12-02-2012, 05:21 PM
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For a guy that is 6 feet tall, he sure does like to get aggressive when he's out there with Horton and Lucic.
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He really should have won the Selke in 2010 though.
Give us more insight please.

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12-02-2012, 05:26 PM
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Unless you include the suspension for collecting too many diving penalties in a season (and I believe the ONLY player nailed when that rule took effect)...I think you're right...
Well, he should've been suspended for this:


Two baseball swings to the ankle a mile away from the play. It is obvious that his only intention was to hurt Komisarek, it's an inarguably dirty and malicious play, it's a joke that he wasn't suspended.

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12-02-2012, 05:34 PM
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Most recently, Riley Sheehan labeled as Brendan Smith.
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12-03-2012, 09:38 AM
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i'm not justifying the bite, but what would you do if your head was pressed against glass, and someone was forcing their finger in your mouth?

serious question.. you can't spit it out, you aren't able to access or use your hands, you can't pull your head back...so what would you do? have you ever had a big leather glove finger in your mouth?

and who sticks fingers in peoples mouths? why isn't that as pathetic as the bite?
i really like how you wrote "serious question"

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12-04-2012, 03:29 AM
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Jari Kurri labeled as the best pure goal scorer of his generation...the player was also excellent at defense and a fine backchecker and a very good passer as well.

Also, Jeff Carter is no longer a choker or a lazy guy.

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12-04-2012, 06:15 AM
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Jari Kurri labeled as the best pure goal scorer of his generation...the player was also excellent at defense and a fine backchecker and a very good passer as well.

Also, Jeff Carter is no longer a choker or a lazy guy.
I Have never heard/read/seen anyone making a claim that Kurri is a pure goal scorer. Basically everyone says that he is one of the best two-way forwards and playoff performes from the 80's. Which is pretty much true.

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12-04-2012, 12:27 PM
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I Have never heard/read/seen anyone making a claim that Kurri is a pure goal scorer. Basically everyone says that he is one of the best two-way forwards and playoff performes from the 80's. Which is pretty much true.
Google "Kurri pure goal scorer" and you'll see him over and over, often behind Mike Bossy, as second best PGS. You'll also see comparisons to guys like Brett Hull and a lot of these analyses are even occurring in past HF threads.

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12-04-2012, 12:32 PM
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Cam Fowler isn't really a defensive retard.

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12-04-2012, 12:36 PM
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That one. Ryan Callahan is not a defensive specialist. He's not a guy that you can send out to shut down an opposing team's best players. He's just a good shot blocker and penalty killer who hits a lot. Patrice Bergeron is a much better "defensive specialist" (who also happens to be better offensively).
You're mostly right. Even strength, he's good defensively, though not as adept as Bergeron.

Penalty killing, he certainly qualifies as a defensive specialist.

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12-04-2012, 12:43 PM
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Subban flies all the way to the top for me. He's a kid that plays with an edge; who would've guessed those exist in the NHL?

People put it under a microscope with him though because of thinly-veiled reasons I don't want to get into due to a flame war starting.

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12-04-2012, 12:51 PM
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I often hear people call Jussi Jokinen a goalscorer which he is not. He's a playmaker with good defensive attitude.
Actually, I'd say that's false. He's definitely more of a playmaker than a goalscorer (he's hit 30 goals once a couple years ago, but simply because him and Pitkanen perfectly a play that allowed him to split the defenders and go 1-on-1 with the goalie.), but he's really not great defensively. Not godawful, but nothing to write home about.

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12-04-2012, 01:05 PM
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Google "Kurri pure goal scorer" and you'll see him over and over, often behind Mike Bossy, as second best PGS. You'll also see comparisons to guys like Brett Hull and a lot of these analyses are even occurring in past HF threads.
Ok. That is a bit weird since he does not strike as a pure goal scorer. Someone said in HoH section something along the lines of this.


"Kurri allowing Gretzky to float in the 80's may be the greatest unrecorded offensive contribution in the history of the game."

Funny thing tough, that quote is straight from this thread.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...php?t=1266553&


So, apparently you are right. Why do people think of Jari as a goalscorer? Is it cause he led the post season in goals few times?

Cause if one would watch his game he obviously was elite/great offensive player with great defensive responsibility.

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12-04-2012, 01:48 PM
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Shane Doan isn't a classy player at all, actually one of the dirtiest in the league if you watch his games, just because he is nice off the ice doesn't mean he is a classy player.

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12-04-2012, 01:53 PM
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People used to call Sean Avery a dirty player. In fact him and Matt Cooke were always mentioned together.

Now you can call Avery alot of things: pest, coward, irritant, ****** bag, disgrace, jerk, cancer, etc. etc. etc.

But the fact of the matter is he was never, not once, suspended for an on-ice incident.
Plus, when he whacked Komisarek with the stick, man, that was hilarious.

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12-04-2012, 01:57 PM
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You're mostly right. Even strength, he's good defensively, though not as adept as Bergeron.

Penalty killing, he certainly qualifies as a defensive specialist.
I watched a lot of Callahan. I wouldnt say hes a defensive specialist. He's not stealing passing, picking pockets, etc. He's a hustler and annoying to play against. He's always working his ass off, rarely gives up, and he's always right there. When you are in his zone, he makes you go through him.

But, I do notice that he doesnt back check after he loses the puck in the offensive zone. No one believes this, but I notice this all the time. Probably why the +/- isnt always respectable.

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