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11-09-2012, 03:25 PM
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I find it funny that people think those are minnows or small clubs just because they aren't one of 6-7 clubs the average player appears to always pick on FIFA.

Ruch Chorzow are 14-time Polish champions and were 2nd in the Polish league and Cup finalists last season. CSKA Sofia have won three Bulgarian championships and two Cups the last 10 years, Hajduk Split are Croatia's second biggest club, Sporting one of Portugal's "Big Three", Dinamo and Rapid Bucharest are 2nd and 3rd in Romania's all-time table and have 21 championships between them. Rubin Kazan have won three Russian league titles the last 10 years and won the Russian Cup this year. Partizan Belgrade won the last five Serbian league titles in a row. Fenerbahce are one of Turkey's giants.

Basically there's actually a lot of really quite notable and by no means "small" clubs on that list if your interest in football goes beyond the top half of the Premiership and the Champions League semifinals.

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11-09-2012, 03:32 PM
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Hard to believe Chelsea made profit legitimately.. But these dad anyone can bypass FPP... I'll take Arsenals example, if Usimov (minority owner) became majority owner and sponsored Arsenal with his Russian telephone company for (example) 100m, arsenal could easily spend 30million on players and then have a positive term revene. If I'm my mistaken that's what PSG did recently with a 400m sponsorship if I'm not mistaken

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11-09-2012, 03:35 PM
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If it affects only small team... Just take a look at AC Milan this year. That's the full effect on a big club.

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11-09-2012, 04:01 PM
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Berlusconi needing the money to stay out of jail is what happened to Milan.

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11-09-2012, 05:57 PM
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Only because of the CL win. They'll have to do that every year just to basically break even.
Or don't spend £80 million on transfer fees bringing in young blood like Hazard, Oscar, etc. every year.

It's a good trend that they're actually making a profit and need build on that. At least they are technically abiding to FFP rules.

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12-04-2012, 12:55 PM
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What will remain of the Romanian football league next year? Troubled Romanian football club Rapid Bucharest said today they had filed for insolvency after running up huge debts. Local media have said that Dinamo Bucharest, Petrolul Ploiesti, Brasov, Universitatea Cluj-Napoca, Turnu Severin and Gloria Bistrita are in danger as well.


http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/s...or-insolvency/

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12-04-2012, 01:12 PM
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Romanian clubs always seem to have troubles, I remember Unirea who played in the CL and I think the EL too, now they no longer exist due to financial problems.

I don't know for sure, but in Romania these rich guys simply pump money into small clubs or simply create their own clubs and when they get bored and stop financing the clubs they are in trouble, at least thats what happened with Unirea.

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12-04-2012, 02:18 PM
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Romanian clubs are always bad. Look at FC Timisoara, Unirea Urziceni as well.

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12-21-2012, 10:04 AM
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Spanish side Malaga have been banned from European competition for one season due to outstanding debts. The club has also been threatened with a further year's European ban by UEFA unless they prove they have no debts to other clubs, players or the tax authorities. The ban will be imposed if the club qualified for the Champions League or Europa League during any of the next four seasons.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/europ...-for-one-year/

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12-21-2012, 11:17 AM
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Wonder what UEFA/Platini have to say about Paris Saint German's latest sponsorship deal?

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12-21-2012, 11:48 AM
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I guess this is legit now for Hajduk, UEFA have threatened to suspend us from Europe for years now

I guess UEFA target clubs who don't pay players on time and don't pay their taxes rather than clubs with just massive debts.

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12-21-2012, 11:50 AM
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Wonder what UEFA/Platini have to say about Paris Saint German's latest sponsorship deal?
The same they have on Man City...

Oh wait, that does kill your numbnuts theory.

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12-21-2012, 12:15 PM
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The same they have on Man City...

Oh wait, that does kill your numbnuts theory.
There's plenty of articles on the internet that make it seem that he is more fierce with non-French clubs. Although he's mostly against British clubs.

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12-21-2012, 03:54 PM
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Didn't you also say Blatter was against England after he said something about the goal-line incident in the Euro for England-Ukraine? Sorry, the reality is that British clubs and national teams are treated no different than anyone else. I'm sure Platini will have a plan for all these type of sponsorship deals over time, but if not oh well.

Have you considered that those articles make it seem like he's more against British clubs because they're in the English language, and you can't read French, German, Spanish, Russian, etc?

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12-21-2012, 04:00 PM
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There's plenty of articles on the internet that make it seem that he is more fierce with non-French clubs. Although he's mostly against British clubs.
Let me guess... english articles?

Platini has made many outings against Sugar Daddies regardless of the country of the club. He's been extremely harsh on PSG the same way.

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12-22-2012, 06:14 AM
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Let me guess... english articles?

Platini has made many outings against Sugar Daddies regardless of the country of the club. He's been extremely harsh on PSG the same way.
Prove it.

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12-22-2012, 08:12 AM
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Prove it.
Prove what? That his opinion is different than yours?

Of course you ignored LITN's post. Where is your proof outside of a few English opinions? Is everyone just suppose to take your word on the matter when you have openly pro-English agenda?

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12-22-2012, 12:02 PM
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Prove it.
Problem is that you're uninformed and believe you are informed.
Which is a recipe for disaster.

Here are some quotes for you :

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"Nous ne reviendrons jamais en arrière, PSG ou pas PSG"
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Le PSG est sous surveillance, voilà la leçon que l'on en tire. "Je déplore que des clubs tombent aux mains de capitaux étrangers. Car pour moi, l’identité d’un club, c’est sa région, ses supporters" ajoute-t-il encore, laissant penser que cette surveillance est du genre méfiante.
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Michel Platini n'a jamais caché qu'il avait le PSG et Manchester City à l'oeil sur ce dossier, se mettant à dos une bonne partie des supporters parisiens, qui estiment que l'UEFA a été moins regardante il y a seulement quelques années avec des clubs prestigieux.
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Michel Platini se pose en défenseur d'une certaine idée du football, tout en sachant qu'il mène un combat perdu d'avance : « Je sais que je défends quelque chose qui n'est plus défendable, mais je ne suis pas fan (...) Moi, je suis pour l'identité d'un club plutôt que pour acheter des gens à droite, à gauche. »

« Je ne vois pas le rapport avec le PSG »

Le président de l'UEFA se livre même quasiment à une attaque en règle du football moderne : « On peut avoir un propriétaire du Qatar, un directeur sportif brésilien, et pourquoi pas un entraîneur italien et des joueurs d'autres nationalités : je ne vois pas le rapport avec le PSG. »

« Je vais passer pour un ringard »

Platini la joue même ancien combattant, en déclarant : « Je vais peut-être passer pour un ringard, mais je préférerais que des gamins des villes concernées commencent à jouer dans leur club plutôt que des joueurs venus d'ailleurs. Moi, je suis parti à l'étranger, mais j'ai commencé d'abord dans le club de ma région, à Nancy. »

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12-22-2012, 06:01 PM
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You're going to have translate for me. I did GCSE French but I'm not that good.

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12-23-2012, 02:28 AM
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Basically, Platini hates foreign owners or players.
He thinks a club has a local identity.
Thus he said he'snot really happy with PSG changing owners.

Also says (in another interview) that he finds ironic that french people were asking for FFP for years (which is not quite true, we asked for a european DNCG, which is MUCH stronger financial wise) and that now that PSG is a heavy club french people are not so high on FFP (which is again not quite true, because only PSG fans have cooled on it).

He also feels FFP is a must, regardless of teams investing like crazy (like City and PSG).

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03-28-2013, 03:28 PM
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And so it begins...although most people (even those in favour of FFP) knew in their hearts it would go down like this.

FFP legally really doesn't have a leg to stand on outside of football's self-righteous made-up legal framework. In the real world it's just illegal...

Bosman-case lawyer:

"He said the rule "likely constitutes collusion and hence a violation of European Union competition law."

"FFP may also infringe other EU freedoms such as the free movement of workers and services.

"Even if FFP were sufficiently legitimate and necessary to justify its distortions of EU principles, however, it would still have to clear a final hurdle: proportionality. "

"Uefa would need to convince the EU's judges in Luxembourg that FFP is the least restrictive means of achieving its aims. This seems unlikely."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21958992

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03-29-2013, 05:48 AM
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Dark clouds hang over Coventry City. They have a debt of 70 million euro and are going into administration. Because of that, the Sky Blues have been deducted 10 points by the Football League.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21970140

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07-09-2013, 11:48 AM
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is this 13/14 season where FFP takes a more hardline stance.

the Cavani deal that PSG made. is it within FFP's confines

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03-06-2014, 09:59 AM
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Looks like QPR are the first English casualties; http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...s-9173772.html

Higher wage bill than Dortmund.

Very few tears will be shed for Redknapp I'd think.

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03-06-2014, 11:31 AM
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I thought FFP only deals with clubs participating in European competition (Champions League and Europa League)?Of course that doesn't meant QPR aren't breaking the rules...but they won't be punished until they get into Europe

edit: never mind, looks like the English lower leagues have their own FFP rules

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