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12-04-2012, 12:54 PM
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At this point, why not just extend the current CBA one more year so they can salvage this season, and work on the next CBA in the meantime?
And what does that solve? Teams who lost money (or were close to it this last year) would not be better off. As the cap/floor go up, they're only increasing those losses.

When the PA is getting paid (as they would be if they extended the CBA by 1 season), what incentive do they have to give any concessions? No they wouldn't be able to strike as there would be a valid CBA, but that doesn't mean anything would get accomplished other than the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, all while the players get their guaranteed monies.

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18 players is just bush league. 6 on 6 could be a candid discussion. 18 becomes a lecture hall. hurting

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At this point, why not just extend the current CBA one more year so they can salvage this season, and work on the next CBA in the meantime?
If they can't get a CBA done now during the most high pressure point on the verge of losing a season why would anyone expect them to get a CBA negotiated once the lost season threat is removed?

Better off to get through this and get their 6-10 year CBA done instead of kicking the instability can of labor negotiations forward.

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18 players is just bush league. 6 on 6 could be a candid discussion. 18 becomes a lecture hall. hurting

I don't think it's particularly bad. In a way, the more ears in the room (up to a point), the better group recollection of what was said, their impressions of sincerity, feeling/mood, will be more accurate.

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12-04-2012, 01:20 PM
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When is today's meeting scheduled to begin?

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And there have been no reports of either side angrily leaving the meeting!

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18 players is just bush league. 6 on 6 could be a candid discussion. 18 becomes a lecture hall. hurting
Did a brief backward search but didn't find the answer. If you're saying that there are only 6 owners present, then that's the number I'm not too content about. Why so few? If both sides want to at least give the impression that there's a truer picture being presented here, there should at least be 10-15 owners present with about 20 players. 6 owners paints a very limited picture, and you've got to know that it's deliberate, as to show that the owners are very united with very limited variations of perspective. If I were the players, I'd have asked for a greater representation of owners! Again, if it's correct that there are only 6 there.

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I don't think it's particularly bad. In a way, the more ears in the room (up to a point), the better group recollection of what was said, their impressions of sincerity, feeling/mood, will be more accurate.
That's my feeling. In fact, I think it is good since there will be more listeners than speakers.

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@EricFrancis: Something weird going on with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins as Oilers say they can't comment on him at this time. Status very unclear for World Jrs

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I looked back through a few pages and didn't see it but do we know who is there on both sides?

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Darren dreger on 1040 saying Burton's report is not true from the people he talked to. " I can assure you no deal is in place"

" that being said he obviously has sources and my job isn't to bury a fellow reporter"

Also said the two sides are close enough to get a deal done very quickly

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12-04-2012, 02:29 PM
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Did a brief backward search but didn't find the answer. If you're saying that there are only 6 owners present, then that's the number I'm not too content about. Why so few? If both sides want to at least give the impression that there's a truer picture being presented here, there should at least be 10-15 owners present with about 20 players. 6 owners paints a very limited picture, and you've got to know that it's deliberate, as to show that the owners are very united with very limited variations of perspective. If I were the players, I'd have asked for a greater representation of owners! Again, if it's correct that there are only 6 there.
There's a quite large diversity among the present owners though.
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There's a quite large diversity among the present owners though.
I'm esctatic to see Tanenbaum and Chipman included in it. They represent to me the two teams who would most like to see a season play.

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12-04-2012, 02:40 PM
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There's a quite large diversity among the present owners though.
Fairly weak representation from the West.

I wonder what'll happen after the meeting if an owner says something that Jacobs doesn't agree with?

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Fairly weak representation from the West.

I wonder what'll happen after the meeting if an owner says something that Jacobs doesn't agree with?
This meeting probably isn't worth firing up the corporate jet

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I'm esctatic to see Tanenbaum and Chipman included in it. They represent to me the two teams who would most like to see a season play.
the Leafs would also be happy with a CBA where they are not responsible for most of the revenue sharing or make whole funds.

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the Leafs would also be happy with a CBA where they are not responsible for most of the revenue sharing or make whole funds.
Yup, so they have a significant stake in the negotiations, which is why I'm glad to see Tanenbaum at the discussions.

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the Leafs would also be happy with a CBA where they are not responsible for most of the revenue sharing or make whole funds.
And yet they make more of a profit when their player costs are capped - even with putting money into the RS fund.

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And yet they make more of a profit when their player costs are capped - even with putting money into the RS fund.
Why is why the lockout will always be the first choice in negotiating tool unless something changes.

You never need to fix the system. Just reduce the players' share of the wealth every CBA.

So it's actually to the rich teams' benefit to have a bunch of floundering teams in the NHL-- to hold up an as excuse to demand more every CBA

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Darren dreger on 1040 saying Burton's report is not true from the people he talked to. " I can assure you no deal is in place"

" that being said he obviously has sources and my job isn't to bury a fellow reporter"

Also said the two sides are close enough to get a deal done very quickly
Both Darren and Bob acknowledged they knew nothing about a deal getting done but would not bury Burton.

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the Leafs would also be happy with a CBA where they are not responsible for most of the revenue sharing or make whole funds.
The Leafs make more profit playing under a CBA and paying RS than they ever did with no cap and no RS.

Edit: People seem to assume that it's the rich markets that don't want to share their money. There are only three guaranteed money makers in the league - RS is required by the TOP TEN teams. Ever think that maybe the issue with massively increasing RS is because there aren't enough guaranteed markets and it's the other owners who don't want to make that commitment?


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Both Darren and Bob acknowledged they knew nothing about a deal getting done but would not bury Burton.
They won't bury him because the guy has built credibility though not necessarily through reporting hockey. If this were an Eklund or HockeyInsider, Dreger would have shut that down quick.

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