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2012-2013 World Junior Championships

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Canada
Goalies
PlayerGPWLSOGAASV%
Malcolm Subban00000.001.000
Jordan Binnington00000.001.000
Jake Paterson00000.001.000

Defense
PlayerGPGoalsAssistsPointsPIM
Dougie Hamilton00000
Scott Harrington00000
Ryan Murphy00000
Xavier Ouellet00000
Griffin Reinhart00000
Morgan Rielly00000
Tyler Wotherspoon00000

Forwards
PlayerGPGoalsAssistsPointsPIM
Anthony Camara00000
Phillip Danault00000
Jonathan Drouin00000
Jonathan Huberdeau00000
Charles Hudon00000
Boone Jenner00000
J.C. Lipon00000
Nathan MacKinnon00000
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins00000
Ty Rattie00000
Brett Ritchie00000
Mark Scheifele00000
Ryan Strome00000

USA

Goalies:
John Gibson Kitchener Rangers (OHL) ANA (’11, 2nd rd., 39th overall)
Jon Gillies Providence College (HEA) CGY (’12, 3rd rd., 75th overall)
Garret Sparks Guelph Storm (OHL) TOR (’11, 7th rd., 190th overall)

Defensemen:
Shayne Gostisbehere Union College (ECACH) PHI (’12, 3rd rd., 78th overall)
Matt Grzelcyk Boston Univ. (HEA) BOS (’12, 3rd rd., 85th overall)
Seth Jones Portland Winterhawks (WHL) 2013 Draft Eligible
Jake McCabe Univ. of Wisconsin (WCHA) BUF (’12, 2nd rd., 44th overall)
Connor Murphy Ohio Sarnia Sting (OHL) PHX (’11, 1st rd., 20th overall)
Mike Reilly Univ. of Minnesota (WCHA) CBJ (’11, 4th rd., 98th overall)
Patrick Sieloff Windsor Spitfires (OHL) CGY (’12, 2nd rd., 42nd overall)
Brady Skjei Univ. of Minnesota (WCHA) NYR (’12, 1st rd., 28th overall)
Jacob Trouba Univ. of Michigan (CCHA) WPG (’12, 1st rd., 9th overall)

Forwards:
Cole Bardreau Cornell Univ. (ECACH) Free Agent
Riley Barber Miami Univ. (CCHA) WSH (’12, 6th rd., 167th overall)
Tyler Biggs Oshawa Generals (OHL) TOR (’11, 1st rd., 22nd overall)
Alex Galchenyuk Sarnia Sting (OHL) MTL (’12, 1st rd., 3rd overall)
John Gaudreau Boston College (HEA) CGY (’11, 4th rd., 104th overall)
Rocco Grimaldi Univ. of North Dakota (WCHA) FLA (’12, 2nd rd., 33rd overall)
Ryan Hartman Plymouth Whalers (OHL) 2013 Draft Eligible
Sean Kuraly Miami Univ. (CCHA) SJS (’11, 5th rd., 133rd overall)
Mario Lucia Univ. of Notre Dame (CCHA) MIN (‚11, 2nd rd., 60th overall)
Stefan Matteau Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (QMJHL) NJD (’12, 1st rd., 29th overall)
J.T. Miller Connecticut Whale (AHL) NYR (’11, 1st rd., 15th overall)
Stefan Noesen Plymouth Whalers (OHL) OTT (’11, 1st rd., 21st overall)
Blake Pietila Michigan Tech Univ. (WCHA) NJD (’11, 5th rd., 129th overall)
Vince Trocheck Saginaw Spirit (OHL) FLA (’11, 3rd rd., 64th overall)
Jim Vesey Harvard Univ. (ECACH) NSH (’12, 3rd rd., 66th overall)

Sweden
Goalies:
Joel Lassinantti, Lulea HF (2013 draft eligible)
Niklas Lundstrom, AIK (St. Louis Blues)
Oscar Dansk, Erie Otters, OHL (Columbus Blue Jackets)

Defensemen:
Emil Djuse, Sodertalje (undrafted)
Jesper Pettersson, Linkopings HC (2013 eligible)
Christian Djoos, Brynas IF (Washington Capitals)
Rasmus Bengtsson, Muskegon Lumberjacks, USHL (Florida Panthers)
Tom Nilsson, Mora IK (Toronto Maple Leafs)
Linus Arnesson, Djurgardens IF (2013 eligible)
Mikael Vikstrand, Mora IK (Ottawa Senators)
Hampus Lindholm, Norfolk Admirals, AHL (Anaheim Ducks)

Forwards:
Alexander Wennberg, Djurgardens IF (2013 eligible)
Jeremy Boyce-Rotevall, Timra IK (2013 eligible)
Viktor Arvidsson, Skelleftea AIK (2013 eligible)
Sebastian Collberg, Frolunda HC (Montreal Canadiens)
Filip Forsberg, Leksands IF (Washington Capitals)
William Karlsson, HV 71 (Anaheim Ducks)
Elias Lindholm, Brynas IF (2013 eligible)
Max Gortz, Farjestads BK (Nashville Predators)
Linus Froberg, Farjestads BK (undrafted)
Victor Rask, Calgary Hitmen, WHL (Carolina Hurricanes)
Rickard Rakell, Plymouth Whalers, OHL (Anaheim Ducks)
Jacob de la Rose, Leksands IF (2013 eligible)
Nick Sorensen, Quebec Remparts, QMJHL (2013 eligible)
Emil Molin, Brynas IF (Dallas Stars)

Russia
Goalkeepers:
Andrei Makarov, Saskatoon Blades
Igor Ustinski, Stalnye Lisy Magnitogorsk
Andrei Vasilevski, Tolpar Ufa

Defencemen:
Kirill Dyakov, Mamonty Yugry
Yaroslav Dyblenko, Mytishinskie Atlanty
Pavel Koledov, Loko Yaroslavl
Andrei Mironov, Dynamo Moscow
Mikhail Naumenkov, CSKA Moscow
Nikita Nesterov, Traktor Chelyabinsk
Artyom Sergeyev, Val d Or Foreurs
Nikita Tryamkin, Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg
Alexei Vasilevski, Tolpar Ufa
Albert Yarullin, Ak Bars Kazan
Nikita Zadorov, London Knights

Forwards:
Mikhail Grigorenko, Quebec Remparts
Kirill Kapustin, Loko Yaroslavl
Alexander Khokhlachyov, Spartak Moscow
Yaroslav Kosov, Metallurg Magnitogorsk
Nikita Kucherov, Rouyn-Noranda Huskies
Yevgeni Mozer, Omskie Yastreby
Valeri Nichushkin, Chelmet Chelyabinsk
Danil Romantsev, Loko Yaroslavl
Maxim Shalunov, Traktor Chelyabinsk
Anton Shenfeld, Stalnye Lisy Magnitogorsk
Andrei Sigaryov, SKA St. Petersburg
Anton Slepyshev, Metallurg Novokuznetsk
Vladimir Tkachyov, Ak Bars Kazan
Bogdan Yakimov, Dizel Penza
Nail Yakupov, Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk
Danil Zharkov, Belleville Bulls
Anton Zlobin, Val d'Or Foreurs

Finland
Goalies:
Janne Juvonen, Pelicans
Joonas Korpisalo, Jokerit
Eetu Laurikainen, Swift Current Broncos (WHL)

Defencemen:
Henri Auvinen, JYP-Akatemia
Petteri Lindbohm, Jokerit
Esa Lindell, Jokerit
Olli Määttä, London Knights (OHL)
Ville Pokka, Kärpät
Juuso Riikola, KalPa
Rasmus Ristolainen, TPS
Juuso Vainio, HPK
Mikko Vainonen, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL)
Joonas Valkonen, Blues Espoo.

Forwards:
Miro Aaltonen, Blues
Joel Armia, Ässät
Aleksander Barkov, Tappara
Markus Granlund, HIFK
Henrik Haapala, Tappara
Markus Hännikäinen, Jokerit
Juuso Ikonen, Blues
Henri Ikonen, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL)
Ville Järveläinen, Peliitat
Matti Lamberg, Jokerit
Artturi Lehkonen, KalPa
Robert Leino, HPK
Thomas Nykopp, HIFK
Saku Salminen, Jokerit
Miikka Salomäki, Kärpät
Teuvo Teräväinen, Jokerit

Czech Republic
Goalies:
Patrik Bartosak (G) 19 1993-03-29 Koprivnice, CZE 185 86 L
Jan Lukas (G) 19 1993-06-02 182 75 L Junior
Matej Machovsky (G) 19 1993-07-25 Opava, CZE 189 88 L

Defensemen:
Milan Doudera (D) 19 1993-01-01 Horni Bezdekov, CZE 183 84 L Junior
Marek Hrbas (D) 19 1993-03-04 Plzen, CZE 180 85 L
Tomas Kvapil (D) 19 1993-04-28 Plzen, CZE 182 78 L Junior
David Musil (D) 19 1993-04-09 Edmonton, AB, CAN 192 92 L 15/16
Tomas Pavelka (D) 19 1993-05-29 Ostrava, CZE 185 81 L
Petr Sidlik (D) 18 1994-01-18 Jihlava, CZE 183 82 L
Jan Stencel (D) 17 1995-02-26 Opava, CZE 176 78 L Junior
Patrik Urbanec (D) 19 1993-10-09 182 83 L Junior
Vojtech Zadrazil (D) 19 1993-04-03 Jihlava, CZE 188 78 R Junior

Forwards:
Matej Beran (C) 19 1993-11-11 193 95 L
Petr Beranek (RW) 19 1993-07-08 Brno, CZE 183 88 L 12/13+1
Radek Faksa (C/LW) 18 1994-01-09 Opava, CZE 190 92 L 16/17
Martin Frk (RW) 19 1993-10-05 Bochov, CZE 183 92 R 15/16
Tomas Hertl (C) 19 1993-11-12 Praha, CZE 187 90 L Junior
Tomas Hyka (RW) 19 1993-03-23 Mlada Boleslav, CZE 180 75 R
Dmitrij Jaskin (RW/LW) 19 1993-03-23 Omsk, RUS 189 90 L
Petr Koblasa (RW) 19 1993-11-07 Karlovy Vary, CZE 183 89 R Junior
Erik Nemec (C) 18 1993-12-21 Metylovice, CZE 184 74 L Junior
Tomas Rousek (LW) 19 1993-09-09 Ceske Budejovice, CZE 178 75 L Junior
Lukas Sedlak (C) 19 1993-02-25 Ceske Budejovice, CZE 184 94 L
Dominik Simon (LW/C) 18 1994-08-08 Praha, CZE 176 72 L Junior
Michal Svihalek (LW) 19 1993-04-29 Jindrichuv Hradec, CZE 180 85 L 12/13+
Vojtech Tomecek (F) 18 1994-08-12 Karlovy Vary, CZE 185 83 R Junior
Jakub Vrana (RW/LW) 16 1996-02-28 Praha, CZE 180 83 L Junior
Slovakia
Goalies:
Adam Nagy (HK Orange 20),
Patrik Romančík (HK Orange 20/HK 36 Skalica),
Richard Sabol (Green Bay Gamblers, USA/USHL).

Defensemen:
Emil Bagin (HK Orange 20/Dukla Trenčín),
David Bajaník (Patriot Budapešť, Maď./MHL),
Peter Bezuška (HC Oceláři Třinec, ČR),
Richard Búri (HK Orange 20),
Peter Čerešňák (Peterbourgh Petes, Kan./OHL),
Karol Korím (HK Orange 20),
Patrik Luža (HK Orange 20/HC Slovan Bratislava),
Tomáš Nechala (HK Orange 20),
Michal Pospíšil (HK Orange 20),
Tomáš Rusina (HK Orange 20).

Forwards:
Juraj Bezúch (HK Orange 20/HK 36 Skalica),
Andrej Bíreš (HK Orange 20),
Marko Daňo (HC Slovan Bratislava),
Dominik Fujerík (HK Orange 20),
Denis Hudec (HK Orange 20),
Milan Kolena (HK Orange 20),
Michal Krištof (Vaasan Sport U20, Fín.),
Patrik Lamper (HC 05 Banská Bystrica),
Matúš Matis (HK Orange 20),
Tomáš Mikúš (HK 36 Skalica/HC Slovan Bratislava),
Bruno Mráz (HK Orange 20)
Richard Mráz (Ottawa 67 ’s/HK Orange 20),
Branislav Rapáč (HK Poprad/HK Orange 20),
Martin Reway (Gatineau Olympiques, Kan./QMJHL),
Michal Uhrík (HK Orange 20).


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I'm looking forward to seeing if Shuffle can build on his performance at last year's WJC, using the momentum of this season. The only open area in the team is in goal. Even with Murray out for his shoulder injury, defensive depth is a genuine positive for us. I was quite shocked that Ceci has a +/- of -9, yet has 28 points on the season.

Edit: Huh. Ceci isn't even listed in that camp roster. Did he not get an invite?

Edit2: Ooooh, Camara got an invite. I wonder if they had teaming up Shuffle and Camara in mind when they made that decision.

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Biggest surprise to me was Ceci not getting invited haha... Glad Jets didn't pick him like some were expecting haha... I was hoping Lowry would have been invited to camp, but I was doubtful on him making the team.

I would love for TC to go away from the top6/bottom6 system since they have ridiculous depth this year and roll 3 scoring lines:

1: Huberdeau - RNH - Rattie
2/3: Drouin - MacKinnon - Strome
2/3: Monahan - Scheifele - Ritchie
4: Danault - Jenner - Hudon/Camara
13th: Wilson

Rielly - Hamilton
Oullett - Harrington
Reinhart - Murphy
Dumba

Subban
Brossoit
Binnington

Doubt TC takes 3 draft eligibles though (Drouin, MacKinnon and Monahan)


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Disappointing that Lowry didn't at least get a camp invite, lockout year or not it he could have been a good bottom-6 PK guy.

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Disappointing that Lowry didn't at least get a camp invite, lockout year or not it he could have been a good bottom-6 PK guy.
Many were thinking Lowry doesn't have the acceleration for big ice to play his game.

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I doubt Drouin makes it this year. Frankly I'm not sure he should. Unreal offensively but likes to float in the defensive zone.

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Bob Mackenzie was saying if it was based on simply the best players, he'd bump Scheifele to RW to play with MacKinnon on first line.

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Bob Mackenzie was saying if it was based on simply the best players, he'd bump Scheifele to RW to play with MacKinnon on first line.
To play with RNH and Huberdeau on the first line

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I wouldn't mind Scheifele playing wing provided it's first-line with an elite player like RNH. I also wouldn't mind if they put him as the third-line center and let him crash and bang like he did at the Summit Series. Just for the love of god don't put him with Strome again.

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I wouldn't mind Scheifele playing wing provided it's first-line with an elite player like RNH. I also wouldn't mind if they put him as the third-line center and let him crash and bang like he did at the Summit Series. Just for the love of god don't put him with Strome again.
Based on our crazy depth Canada could have a top 9 loaded with three scoring lines. I am cool with Mark playing with any combination but it would be nice to see him play a bit with the Nuge....I think that could be a very effective combination with a Rattie type. However I still think Canada would be best served having Mark at centre though since he is a very good defensively and it is nice to have the two way types.

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Pretty cool that Mark is the first one featured on CBC.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...heifele-1.html

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I hope all 4 draft eligibles make the team. If they don't perform at camp, then I get it but if all things are equal I would go with all 4 prospects. Make up half of the top 6 and have one as 13th forward. I'd rather see skill than grit in our extra forward, especially with our inability to score against Russia during the SSS. Also, I only see Huberdeau, Strome, Scheifele, Jenner as better than the 4 prospects (excl. MacKinnon who is the best player at the camp IMO). I know HC prefers the "vets" but the young guys are way too good for the "too young" argument.

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There was a report that RNH has a shoulder injury?

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Us Canadians like to say "well if our players weren't all already in the NHL we'd dominate this tournament". Well, this year our top players are not in the NHL, and our team is scaring nobody. Russia and Czech both have better forward groups, particularly top 6 than Canada. USA and FIN are not far behind at all, if at all. SWE is a slight drop behind the rest. CAN still has the best blueline, but USA is not far off. And in net we have a huge question mark. I don't believe in Subban personally. Russians also have Vasilevski back, the Swedes have Dansk. It'll be interesting, but I'd almost say Russia is the favourite. I like the Finnish and Czech teams this year much more than normal, both are strong medal contenders. I have no doubt the USA will bounce back after last year. And Sweden always players tough.

I can see Canada not medaling this year, easily. I mean we are looking at potentially 2-3 17 year olds on the team, potentially playing top 6. That is just unheard of in Canadian WJC. This is a 19 year old tournament, it usually takes something special just to crack the team at 17. This team has very little top end talent up front, and combined with the big ice this year, I have serious questions on how this team will compete. They are going to rely HEAVILY on the skating blueline (Murphy, Reilly, Dumba, Pouliot) to get them through on the big ice.

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Us Canadians like to say "well if our players weren't all already in the NHL we'd dominate this tournament". Well, this year our top players are not in the NHL, and our team is scaring nobody. Russia and Czech both have better forward groups, particularly top 6 than Canada. USA and FIN are not far behind at all, if at all. SWE is a slight drop behind the rest. CAN still has the best blueline, but USA is not far off. And in net we have a huge question mark. I don't believe in Subban personally. Russians also have Vasilevski back, the Swedes have Dansk. It'll be interesting, but I'd almost say Russia is the favourite. I like the Finnish and Czech teams this year much more than normal, both are strong medal contenders. I have no doubt the USA will bounce back after last year. And Sweden always players tough.

I can see Canada not medaling this year, easily. I mean we are looking at potentially 2-3 17 year olds on the team, potentially playing top 6. That is just unheard of in Canadian WJC. This is a 19 year old tournament, it usually takes something special just to crack the team at 17. This team has very little top end talent up front, and combined with the big ice this year, I have serious questions on how this team will compete. They are going to rely HEAVILY on the skating blueline (Murphy, Reilly, Dumba, Pouliot) to get them through on the big ice.

Well, you put it out there... lets all bookmark that and come back to it later, say on Jan. 4th. You are saying no medal and I'm expecting to make a return trip to the gold medal game... don't know who's going to be in it other than Canada, but I'm picking either the Americans or the Swedes...and in a one game winner takes all scenario, anything can happen... but a bold prediction by you.

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I hope all 4 draft eligibles make the team. If they don't perform at camp, then I get it but if all things are equal I would go with all 4 prospects. Make up half of the top 6 and have one as 13th forward. I'd rather see skill than grit in our extra forward, especially with our inability to score against Russia during the SSS. Also, I only see Huberdeau, Strome, Scheifele, Jenner as better than the 4 prospects (excl. MacKinnon who is the best player at the camp IMO). I know HC prefers the "vets" but the young guys are way too good for the "too young" argument.
Are you assuming RNH isn't able to play or did you forget about him?

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Us Canadians like to say "well if our players weren't all already in the NHL we'd dominate this tournament". Well, this year our top players are not in the NHL, and our team is scaring nobody. Russia and Czech both have better forward groups, particularly top 6 than Canada. USA and FIN are not far behind at all, if at all. SWE is a slight drop behind the rest. CAN still has the best blueline, but USA is not far off. And in net we have a huge question mark. I don't believe in Subban personally. Russians also have Vasilevski back, the Swedes have Dansk. It'll be interesting, but I'd almost say Russia is the favourite. I like the Finnish and Czech teams this year much more than normal, both are strong medal contenders. I have no doubt the USA will bounce back after last year. And Sweden always players tough.

I can see Canada not medaling this year, easily. I mean we are looking at potentially 2-3 17 year olds on the team, potentially playing top 6. That is just unheard of in Canadian WJC. This is a 19 year old tournament, it usually takes something special just to crack the team at 17. This team has very little top end talent up front, and combined with the big ice this year, I have serious questions on how this team will compete. They are going to rely HEAVILY on the skating blueline (Murphy, Reilly, Dumba, Pouliot) to get them through on the big ice.
Except this year the only player we get from the lockout for sure is RNH and possibly Huberdeau or Strome, who might have made their respective NHL teams. Previous years we had a stronger group already in the NHL. Not every year is the same. 2005 easily rebuts your point.

The only concern I have with this group is how they'll adjust to the big ice. However, as you pointed out, our defense is very mobile both with their foot speed and puck movement. Our forwards are less so and especially Scheifele's skating tempers my expectations somewhat. I still think they're favorites for gold. Not runaway favorites but I certainly don't put them behind any other team. The D will keep them in every game and provided they get adequate goaltending and don't struggle too much offensively, they've got a great chance.

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Well, you put it out there... lets all bookmark that and come back to it later, say on Jan. 4th. You are saying no medal and I'm expecting to make a return trip to the gold medal game... don't know who's going to be in it other than Canada, but I'm picking either the Americans or the Swedes...and in a one game winner takes all scenario, anything can happen... but a bold prediction by you.
I wouldn't be shocked if Canada wins a gold medal. I wouldn't be shocked if Canada fails to get out of the quarterfinals. This is team is just in the pack this year, plenty of teams with a chance. Hell the Slovaks and Swiss haven't even released their rosters, they won't be pushovers either, although likely not on the level of the CAN, USA, FIN, RUS, SWE, CZE those teams might surprise.

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Except this year the only player we get from the lockout for sure is RNH and possibly Huberdeau or Strome, who might have made their respective NHL teams. Previous years we had a stronger group already in the NHL. Not every year is the same. 2005 easily rebuts your point.

The only concern I have with this group is how they'll adjust to the big ice. However, as you pointed out, our defense is very mobile both with their foot speed and puck movement. Our forwards are less so and especially Scheifele's skating tempers my expectations somewhat. I still think they're favorites for gold. Not runaway favorites but I certainly don't put them behind any other team. The D will keep them in every game and provided they get adequate goaltending and don't struggle too much offensively, they've got a great chance.
Oh, so we would have a dominating team if we had our NHL players...well except this one year we actually get them, this one just doesn't count.
2005 only gave the team Patrice Bergeron, if you look at the roster the rest of the team was not going to play in the NHL that year. Not one other one. Canadians like to point to that as "look if we had all of our players we'd win every year". I don't believe this at all. Like you said every year is different. That was just a ridiculously deep roster that year. You think Bergeron was the difference? I don't. It was simply a strong year.
My point being, the guys in the NHL and therefore not eligible for the WJC have very little effect on the rosters, IMO.

We have a good skating D...if they take those guys. This is a prelim roster. They will be trying out on NA ice...hopefully the coaches can anticipate that. Guys like Reinhart and Pelech might struggle mightily on the big ice. Then again, being good skater does not guarantee success on the big ice either. I don't know, but I just don't believe this team is that good. Most years Canada is a huge favourite. This year they are one of about 4-5 teams that could all take gold, IMO. CAN, RUS, USA, FIN, CZE all have very strong rosters, any could win gold, IMO. And SWE could surprise as well. And in a short tournament like this never count out a hot streak/one game steals by SUI and SVK. It'll be more interesting that your average year anyways, IMO.

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I wonder why Sean Couturier didn't attend? He's pretty good.

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I wonder why Sean Couturier didn't attend? He's pretty good.
Who is that?

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Oh, so we would have a dominating team if we had our NHL players...well except this one year we actually get them, this one just doesn't count.
2005 only gave the team Patrice Bergeron, if you look at the roster the rest of the team was not going to play in the NHL that year. Not one other one. Canadians like to point to that as "look if we had all of our players we'd win every year". I don't believe this at all. Like you said every year is different. That was just a ridiculously deep roster that year. You think Bergeron was the difference? I don't. It was simply a strong year.
It's not about guys who played a year in the NHL, it's about those who would otherwise be in the NHL as rookies. The '05 team had Seabrook, Phaneuf, Carter, Richards, Getlaz and Perry all playing as '03 draft picks who immediately stepped in as decent players (most of them impact players right away) in the NHL the following year who easily could have made their NHL teams a year sooner if not for the lockout. I don't believe Scheifele would have made the Jets this year so the crop from this year that could have been rookies in the NHL is Strome and Huberdeau, IMO, and even if you include Scheifele the quantity isn't close, nor is the caliber. The '03 draft was ridiculously good for Canadian talent, the 2010 draft was not even close.

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I thought I heard he wasnt eligible this year

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U20 tournament... only AHL eligible player is RNH because he was a special exemption into the AHL. (For former CHL players... Euro drafted players are different, etc)

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Are you assuming RNH isn't able to play or did you forget about him?.
Good catch. Totally forgot about RNH. I would rank 1. RNH, 2. MacKinnon and Huberdeau, Scheifele and Strome rounding out the top 5.

I see others have concerns about the quality of our top 6. I share those concerns but think they can be remedied by going with MacKinnon, Drouin, Monahan and (perhaps) Shinkaruk. I think the first two are extra-special 17 year olds. Monahan and Shinkaruk are already 18 y/o so they should have the wherewithal (combined with skill) to handle it.

I think to go with more than one line of grinders is self-defeating. The skill we will see in Russia and the US will be able to out-skate the Tom Wilsons and Brett Ritchies of our roster on the big ice any day so why play to their strength when we can directly counter it?

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Correct. Couturier is 20 y/o later this week so too old.

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It's not about guys who played a year in the NHL, it's about those who would otherwise be in the NHL as rookies. The '05 team had Seabrook, Phaneuf, Carter, Richards, Getlaz and Perry all playing as '03 draft picks who immediately stepped in as decent players (most of them impact players right away) in the NHL the following year who easily could have made their NHL teams a year sooner if not for the lockout. I don't believe Scheifele would have made the Jets this year so the crop from this year that could have been rookies in the NHL is Strome and Huberdeau, IMO, and even if you include Scheifele the quantity isn't close, nor is the caliber. The '03 draft was ridiculously good for Canadian talent, the 2010 draft was not even close.
I know that. It's easy to look back and say such and such should have been in the NHL at 19 but...

Getzlaf and Perry did not make the team as 20 year olds in 05-06, they were mid season recalls. Kinda doubt they would have made the team at 19...

Carter and Richards were depth players in 05-06. 3rd liners. The potential 04-05 team for Philly had Leclair, Recchi, Amonte, Roenick, Zhamnov, all of whom were lost for 05-06. Really think Carter or Richards cracks that roster?

Phaneuf and Seabrook may have made it as a 19 year old. Maybe maybe. But I can count on one hand the number of defencemen that have made the team fulltime as teenagers in the NHL in the past 10 years. Just one time in the past 10 years has a defenceman not drafted in the top 10 made his team as a teenager. Once. I got my doubts (and history of evidence) that either crack their respective roster in 04-05.

I know that years differ. Obviously. I stand by my contention that players lost to the NHL do not make the difference between Canada winning every year or not. 05 does nothing to prove that fact, since it was a naturally strong team only bolstered by one guy who realistically was likely to be an NHLer. I figure this tournament will be further proof.

BTW, 10 is now too old for this tourney.. 11 draftees are the marquee players now (19 year olds)

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