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12-03-2012, 06:09 PM
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It will be interesting to see if Barkov can break Forsberg record in points at WJC's from 1993. (7+24 in 7 games). I know it is probably long shot, but if he can put up PPG numbers in men's league, it is not that unrealistic to expect from him to dominate against players more or less his age group.

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12-03-2012, 06:16 PM
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It will be interesting to see if Barkov can break Forsberg record in points at WJC's from 1993. (7+24 in 7 games). I know it is probably long shot, but if he can put up PPG numbers in men's league, it is not that unrealistic to expect from him to dominate against players more or less his age group.
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12-03-2012, 06:19 PM
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Bit of an ignorant question but what about Alexander Ruuttu? I know he made the squad last year and had a few goals, any reason he wasn't involved in this year's squad?

Too old? Has he fallen off? Or is there just a really skilled batch of forwards pushing him out of consideration?

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12-03-2012, 06:26 PM
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Bit of an ignorant question but what about Alexander Ruuttu? I know he made the squad last year and had a few goals, any reason he wasn't involved in this year's squad?

Too old? Has he fallen off? Or is there just a really skilled batch of forwards pushing him out of consideration?
Too old, he's a '92.

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12-03-2012, 09:03 PM
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Finally some size with skill in key roles. Especially at defence + Barkov and Armia of course.

Goalies:
Janne Juvonen, Pelicans 6'1/183
Joonas Korpisalo, Jokerit 6'2/168
Eetu Laurikainen, Swift Current Broncos (WHL) 6'0/178 ( per WHL site )

Defencemen:
Rasmus Ristolainen, TPS, 6'3/207, Right
Mikko Vainonen, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL), 6'3/207, Left
Petteri Lindbohm, Jokerit, 6'2/209, Left
Olli Määttä, London Knights (OHL), 6'2/203, Left
Henri Auvinen, JYP-Akatemia, 6'2/198, Left
Esa Lindell, Jokerit, 6'2/192, Left
Joonas Valkonen, Blues Espoo, 6'2/190, Left
Ville Pokka, Kärpät, 6'0/198, Right
Juuso Riikola, KalPa, 6'0/157, Left
Juuso Vainio, HPK, 5'11/181, Right


Forwards:
C Aleksander Barkov, Tappara, 6'3/205, Left
RW Joel Armia, Ässät, 6'3/203, Right
LW Saku Salminen, Jokerit, 6'3/198, Left
F Thomas Nykopp, HIFK, 6'3/190, Left
LW Markus Hännikäinen, Jokerit 6'2/183, Left
F Henri Ikonen, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL), 6'0/196, Left
F Robert Leino, HPK 6'0/176, Right
W Miikka Salomäki, Kärpät, 5'11/198, Left
LW Markus Granlund, HIFK, 5'11/172, Left
C Teuvo Teräväinen, Jokerit, 5'11/165, Left
RW Matti Lamberg, Jokerit 5'11/165, Right
F Miro Aaltonen, Blues, 5'10/165, Left
W Artturi Lehkonen, KalPa 5'10/152, Left
F Juuso Ikonen, Blues 5'9/170, Right
W Henrik Haapala, Tappara, 5'9/142, Left
RW Ville Järveläinen, Peliitat 5'5/148, Right

Added sizes, handnesses and most probable positions.
Wow a finnish team with size seriously though looks to have more depth than previous years though maybe not as much high end talent. Well, if you exclude Granland then then they are the deepest team in years imo.

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12-03-2012, 11:26 PM
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Teravainen Granlund Lehkonen
Salomaki Barkov Armia

and i'd take mi.Granlund or Monahan any day over Barkov

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12-04-2012, 12:00 AM
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Lehkonen is Amazing. I think he hasn't score us much as he's effort and skills would suggest this season, but the playing is great. He can slow the whole game speed down and then make a suprising pass right on tape allmost every time.. Hes very clever player.

Lehkonen - Barkov - Armia


I think first line would be amazing.. very clever, skilled line that would have the shooting enthusiasm in Armia too, plus some size in Barkov and Armia and probably solid two way line too.


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12-04-2012, 12:51 AM
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What we're looking at, roughly (bolded players are locks) :

Goaltenders
Korpisalo/Laurikainen
Juvonen


Korpisalo and Laurikainen likely form the playing tandem. No prediction on designated starter though yet.


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Määttä
Ristolainen
Pokka

Vainio/Riikola/Lindell

Määttä, Ristolainen and Pokka are the no-brainer picks for puck-moving d-men. One, maybe two of Vainio, Riikola and Lindell will be picked as well, for full complement of blueline QB.

DD
Lindbohm
Valkonen/Vainonen/Auvinen

Lindbohm is a lock at this stage. Two more DD will likely get picked from the remaining trio.

Forward lineups
Salomäki - Granlund - Armia
Teräväinen - Barkov - Lehkonen
/Haapala
H.Ikonen/Nykopp - Aaltonen - J.Ikonen/Haapala (or Lehkonen, if Haapala plays on Barkov's wing)
Hännikäinen - Salminen - Lamberg

1st line: The 93s lead the way. Last tour, plus plenty of experience and chemistry from earlier years.

2nd line: The Future. Next year's top line going through the motions. Very dangerous this time around, potentially devastating in 2014.

3rd line: Depending on final complement, more like a 2B line. This is where it gets hairy. Plenty of options and some guys who by all means deserve to be there are up for a disappointment. Nykopp or H.Ikonen will bring some grit into this line, while Haapala and J.Ikonen battle for the other winger slot. Both won't make it, at least into the regular lineup, as they're too much cut from the same cloth. Ikonen has the skill edge, but Haapala has more versability.

4th line: Very solid shutdown line. 'Nuff said. Other possible options include Leino, Nykopp and H.Ikonen.


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12-04-2012, 02:23 AM
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Teravainen Granlund Lehkonen
Salomaki Barkov Armia

and i'd take mi.Granlund or Monahan any day over Barkov
U talk about Mi.G and put Ma.G infront of Barkov? I would take Barkov over MiG any day of the week. Barkovs stats and overall game is much better than MiG:s at same age. MiG was on a stacked team when Barkov is not. Barkov also has size on his side. Well, what the hell do scouts and professional teams know - they should call you...

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12-04-2012, 04:39 AM
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Imo

Teravainen Granlund Lehkonen
Salomaki Barkov Armia

and i'd take mi.Granlund or Monahan any day over Barkov
Out of Teräväinen, Granlund and Lehkonen, I think only two can be placed on the same line at the most. None of them play a particularly good two-way game and they're all small. Lehkonen's way grittier than you'd expect based on his size, but he's still not exactly a power forward.

Are you talking about the current Mikael Granlund or him at 17? The 20-year-old Granlund is a somewhat proven drafted prospect who has worked on the issues he had, while Barkov is still a rather unproven and undrafted prospect, so it's obvious that Granlund's the safer choice at the moment. However, at 17, there were way more question marks surrounding Granlund than there are now for Barkov. If you'd rather take 17-year-old Granlund than Barkov at the same age, I don't know what to say.

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12-04-2012, 06:26 AM
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What are the chances the two Frontenacs make it? I'm assuming Mikko Vainonen has a decent chance while Henri Ikonen will likely not make it?

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12-04-2012, 07:13 AM
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What are the chances the two Frontenacs make it? I'm assuming Mikko Vainonen has a decent chance while Henri Ikonen will likely not make it?
I'd say both have an equally decent chance. Vainonen is in contest for two open DD slots with two other guys none of which have more prestige than he does, so if he outperforms even one of them, he has a good shot.

Ikonen could bring some grit to the table, which is in surprisingly short order this year, very atypical for Team Finland. Given how he was invited all the way from across the pond, I'm fairly sure the coach didn't do it just to give him a courtesy nod. He definitely has a playing chance, just like pretty much every other player in the current camp roster.


Only real longshot I can call out from that roster is Ville Järveläinen. Pretty skilled, yes, but it's not like we're grasping hard to find some this time around. Not particularly physical either, in fact the complete opposite. Smallest of the bunch, with only a 5' 5" frame. Was in Sundsvall, and was decent, but didn't exactly outplay anyone.

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12-04-2012, 09:45 AM
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Really dissappointed if Lindell will be on final roster. Has showed absolutely nothing so far this season. Bad on own end and not been succesful in offense.

Statistics from men's games:
SM-liiga 19 games, 0+0 and +/- -9
Mestis 10 game, 2+2 and +/- -5

Is that 3rd round pick the reason why many are putting him on their fantasy rosters?
Stats dont tell the whole story. What i've seen from Lindell in Jokerit, he's been quite good actually. Suprisingly strong defensively and some nice offensive instincts. He just didnt produce anything statswise. Should look great against other players his age, i expect him to put up some points too.

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Stats dont tell the whole story. What i've seen from Lindell in Jokerit, he's been quite good actually. Suprisingly strong defensively and some nice offensive instincts. He just didnt produce anything statswise. Should look great against other players his age, i expect him to put up some points too.
I agree, that statistics isn't always the last truth, but in this case I have to say so. Every other regular defenseman in Jokerit has plus in their stats, and Jokerit are leading series, so Lindell cant hide under that fact, that his team would've been sucking.

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Every other regular defenseman in Jokerit has plus in their stats, and Jokerit are leading series, so Lindell cant hide under that fact, that his team would've been sucking.
And just how many of those every other regular D-men have been just drafted? You just can't compare junior aged players to veteran professionals especially considering defensemen. I must say again: Mikko Koivu was a 0+1 player in SM-liiga, but in junior A league in the same season he had two points per game pace.

Just getting a chance in the SM-liiga is rare for a defenseman of that age, and Lindell held his own when he got to show his game. Again, d-men usually take longer to hit full potential.

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]You just can't compare junior aged players to veteran professionals especially considering defensemen.
But you can compare them to other junior-aged defensemen who are in a similar career situation. And there happens to be five others alone in this very camp roster. And all have clearly better stats than Lindell. One even plays for the same club team.

Of course, players thrive in different environments, so if Lindell gets picked to the final squad, he might still do fine for himself. But that argument of yours that he deserves extra rope for being junior aged and just trying to make it in SM-liiga? Ristolainen, Pokka, Lindbohm, Vainio and Auvinen say hi, and make your case leak like a sieve.

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And just how many of those every other regular D-men have been just drafted? You just can't compare junior aged players to veteran professionals especially considering defensemen. I must say again: Mikko Koivu was a 0+1 player in SM-liiga, but in junior A league in the same season he had two points per game pace.

Just getting a chance in the SM-liiga is rare for a defenseman of that age, and Lindell held his own when he got to show his game. Again, d-men usually take longer to hit full potential.
So should we pick up guys with bad statistics in hope that they will grow up as good as Mikko did? I won't say that Lindell doesnt have potential. Why take a risk with him? Finland already has great guys on blueline like Määttä, Pokka, Ristolainen. For 7th guy he wouldn't be in my opinion guy who to trust at own end, if someone of our key D-mans does suffer injury.

We need strong defense on our own end, especially by our weak goaltender situation. Hope I'm wrong with that, but If I consider in advance, we don't have strong goalies like we've had last two years, Aittokallio and Ortio. Hopefully somebody of our goalies finds great condition and makes game easier to our defensemans. Much better to start building defensive game when team can trust their goalie.

In my opinion Määttä, Pokka, Ristolainen, Lindbohm, Vainio, Vainonen and Valkonen are all ahead of Lindell in selections. Niklas Tikkinen would've also been, dont understand why he didn't get selection to camp.

If Lindell makes it to the final team, I really hope I'm wrong. Case closed by my side.

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That Top6 defence is pretty easy to build. Top end talents Määttä and Ristolainen to the 1st pair. Then two "2nd pairings" with big stay-at-home guys and right-handed puckmoving guys.

Määttä 6'2, Left - Ristolainen 6'3, Right
Vainonen 6'3, Left - Pokka 6'0, Right
Lindbohm 6'3, Left - Vainio 6'0, Right

Perfect.

4th pairing as you wish.

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I'm guessing that, providing he avoids any injury Oli Mattaa will play quite a high % of Ice time. Or infact play a lot of games?

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Määttä 6'2, Left - Ristolainen 6'3, Right
Vainonen 6'3, Left - Pokka 6'0, Right
Lindbohm 6'3, Left - Vainio 6'0, Right
This, pretty much. Looks rock solid.

I'd still possibly take Lindell for 7th D, because even with all of his shortcomings, he is most versatile out of the ones that are left. Technically a puck-moving D-man, but has a body that can be utilized for more defense-oriented duties as well.

Or, if one wishes to forgo any injury padding, then Valkonen to have another DD for PK duty.

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I'm guessing that, providing he avoids any injury Oli Mattaa will play quite a high % of Ice time. Or infact play a lot of games?
Yeah, Olli Määttä is a top pair guy for us, no doubt.

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Good to hear. Really hope he get's some game time and manages to develop into a top player.

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What do you guys think of how Lindbohm will do?

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What do you guys think of how Lindbohm will do?
At this point of the season last year, Hakanpää was no better than Lindbohm and he ended up being a vital defenseman for us. If Lindbohm plays up to his abilities and even lifts it up a notch, he can be a very good defenseman for us.

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At this point of the season last year, Hakanpää was no better than Lindbohm and he ended up being a vital defenseman for us. If Lindbohm plays up to his abilities and even lifts it up a notch, he can be a very good defenseman for us.
Really? Most Blues fans have been really excited by Hakanpää's development, and if Lindbohm is at that level, it's just another something to get excited about! Thanks

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