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12-04-2012, 05:26 PM
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Yeah, and three of them are Bryan Allen, Sheldon Souray, and Francois Beauchemin. Petry is much better than Allen/Souray, and he's arguably better than Beauchemin. He's also better than Sbisa. You don't turn down a guy like Petry because you have Sheldon Souray signed.
I would argue that.

Also, you seem to think that all of those people are somehow safe. One of those people is going to lose their job in the near future to a certain Swedish player.

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12-04-2012, 05:29 PM
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Yeah, and three of them are Bryan Allen, Sheldon Souray, and Francois Beauchemin. Petry is much better than Allen/Souray, and he's arguably better than Beauchemin. He's also better than Sbisa. You don't turn down a guy like Petry because you have Sheldon Souray signed.
Even if he is better them some, hell even if he is better then all of them, they are locked up and until someone is traded the Ducks cant just throw money down the drain.

Now I'm not even going to get into him being better then Beauchemin and Sbisa.

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12-04-2012, 06:11 PM
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Yeah, and three of them are Bryan Allen, Sheldon Souray, and Francois Beauchemin. Petry is much better than Allen/Souray, and he's arguably better than Beauchemin
He's definitely not better than Beauchemin. Beauch was our top defenseman last year and outside of his time with the Leafs has been a pretty solid #2-3 guy.

I probably agree he'd be our 3rd or 4th best guy but we've got 5 guys on multi year deals that we can't just throw away to make room for him. As a budget team, we can't afford that.

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12-04-2012, 06:14 PM
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To Oilers
Ryan Getzlaf
Ryane Clowe




To Ducks
Joe Pavelski
Sam Gagner
Jeff Petry
2013 1st round pick Oilers
2014 1st round pick Oilers



To Sharks
Corey Perry
We are building the oilers not destroying!

Our Smid Petry pairing played the last half of the year together. 30 games in front of D. Dubnyk
Who was
.777 win% 2.11GA .933 SV%

petry had a season pace of 3G 44A with this pairing.

They were the 5th best 1st pairing D last half of the year.

Heck Smid was was 5G 25PT seaon pace w Petry.

Anyone who wants to trade Petry or Smid.

There are not adjective to describe how big a mistake that is.

When we rolled a top 4 of
Smid-Petry
Whitney-N. Schultz

in front of Dubnyk
772 win% 1.96 GA .935 SV% all losses were only 3.00 GA games.

Then the getzlaf thing. a play making centers assist numbers are directly proportional to the scoring ability of nthe wingers.

See getzlaf before Perry, Ryan, Sellane were lighting it up he was a 33-35 assist Forward.

Look at gagner game logs. His Assist and point rate is reflective of his wingers.

the kid was 1ppg when he played with Penner and hemsky.

Not so great with Moreau, Potulny, O'sullivan, Cogliano, Nilsson, Pajaarvi.
or do you consider these guys the same as Ryan, Perry, Sellane

Now if we are talking size at center.

we drafted a Jujhar Khaira in the 3rd round last year.

Who grew from 5'5" to 6'2" and is now 6'3" 200lb at the ripe age of 18 Yrs and 3 months.

he is playing at Michigan tech. Started as 3rd line minutes guy but coaches moved him to 1st line.
Is top 2 for 18 year olds in PPG in the NCAA.
1.3PPG on the first line .

1.3PPG 18 yr olds in The NCAA
Kessel
Toews
Schroeder
Schwartz

"At Red Line, we believe this kid could be the biggest/best sleeper of the entire draft. Prince George is so far off the beaten path teams don’t even travel there for WHL games, much less BCHL contests, so he gets zero exposure. But this kid is big, mean, aggressive, nasty, and guess what… he can score too. Does the dirty work in the corners, bangs bodies and wins battles, and loves to initiate heavy contact. Powerful stride with great balance and gets leverage on his hits. Has surprisingly soft hands and puck skills with playmaking ability. Creates lots of space for smaller teammates and makes everyone braver."

"top ten in four of the physical tests at the NHL Combine in advance of the 2012 NHL Entry Draft. With the seventh largest wing span measurement of 77.75 inches, Khaira also showed his strength in the bench press finishing fifth with 12 reps of 150 lbs and also eighth for strength lifting 9.1 lb/lb of body weight a full 4 points above the Combine average. In the test of upper body power, Khaira was fourth throwing a 4 kg ball 232 inches."

Michagan tech coaches “I told our coaches before the weekend I thought JJ (Jujhar) made huge strides in how much better he was. He’s at a different level right now. We’re playing sophomores and freshmen against other team’s seniors, grizzled vets, and they’re doing a great job.”

“We see him as a big time power forward. He skates really well, very good down low, strong on the puck, has good vision and great offensive instincts."

Umh could you imagine!

Hartikainen-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
XXX-Khaira-Rieder

Just No to the chasing the big fish!

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12-04-2012, 06:20 PM
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As much as I hate Corey Perry, I'm gonna have to say yes to this.

This deal could be really bad for the Oilers since Clowe could test FA come July 1st. Those first rounders could be lottery picks.

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12-04-2012, 08:30 PM
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To Oilers
Ryan Getzlaf
Ryane Clowe




To Ducks
Joe Pavelski
Sam Gagner
Jeff Petry
2013 1st round pick Oilers
2014 1st round pick Oilers



To Sharks
Corey Perry
Edmonton can't afford to take on so much salary. They can't afford to give up Petry. They're not giving up enough. Not nearly enough.

The package the Ducks are getting back isn't horrible if the Ducks feel they might have problems resigning Getzlaf and Perry. If they're confident in being able to resign these guys, this offer is downright insulting because it leaves them in the bottom five of the NHL next year. Selane surely retires. I'm pretty sure he only wants to play as long as he feels the Ducks have a shot at the playoffs.

The Sharks are giving up way too much. Clowe and Pavelski for a winger who's going UFA soon is downright insane.

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12-04-2012, 09:20 PM
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Nice post. Loved all of the stats. Keep it up!

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12-04-2012, 09:49 PM
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This deal could be really bad for the Oilers since Clowe could test FA come July 1st. Those first rounders could be lottery picks.
It could be really bad for both the Oilers and the SHarks since Clowe, Getzlaf, and Perry could all test FA come July 1st.

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And with the 1st and 2nd overall selections, the Ducks select...

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12-04-2012, 10:45 PM
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It could be really bad for both the Oilers and the SHarks since Clowe, Getzlaf, and Perry could all test FA come July 1st.
Oh right. Perry is UFA as well after the season. I thought he had a year after this. Oops.

A signed Perry, sure. Unsigned, not a chance at Pavs.

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12-04-2012, 11:00 PM
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There is a 0.00000001% chance that Getzlaf signs in Edmonton.
Typical response.

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There is a 0.00000001% chance that Getzlaf signs in Edmonton.
I'm not so sure. I've heard he's dying to play with Justin Schultz.

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Typical response.
Doesn't stop it from being true. Sorry for bursting your fantasy bubble.


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I'm not so sure. I've heard he's dying to play with Justin Schultz.
Did Schultz ever give a legitimate reason for not signing with the Ducks? I'm genuinely curious about that.

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He hasn't said anything. I doubt we'll ever find out.

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Yeah, and three of them are Bryan Allen, Sheldon Souray, and Francois Beauchemin. Petry is much better than Allen/Souray, and he's arguably better than Beauchemin. He's also better than Sbisa. You don't turn down a guy like Petry because you have Sheldon Souray signed.
I think you're drinking a little too deeply from the Petry-aid and/or just horribly underrating Beauchemin.

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Perry's a great player, but we're giving up too much for basically a rental.

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Yeah, and three of them are Bryan Allen, Sheldon Souray, and Francois Beauchemin. Petry is much better than Allen/Souray, and he's arguably better than Beauchemin. He's also better than Sbisa. You don't turn down a guy like Petry because you have Sheldon Souray signed.
petry isnt close to either sbisa or beauchemin. ill have what you're having

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Why would Anaheim give a 50 goal scorer to their division rival??

And at the same time, when Anaheim takes picks from Edmonton it usually ends up back firing on them. (Schultz)

And aside from the fact that these trades will never happen, the 2 key players in this trade are about to hit UFA.

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petry isnt close to either sbisa or beauchemin. ill have what you're having
Arguable with Beauchemin, I've said that. Sbisa? Come on, he was a bottom-pairing defenseman last season.

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Arguable with Beauchemin, I've said that. Sbisa? Come on, he was a bottom-pairing defenseman last season.
He was third amongst our defensemen in ice time.

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He was third amongst our defensemen in ice time.
Petry was first amongst Edmonton's defensemen in ice time.

Sbisa was 5th among Anaheim defensemen in EVTOI, which is a more significant stat.

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Petry was first amongst Edmonton's defensemen in ice time.

Sbisa was 5th among Anaheim defensemen in EVTOI, which is a more significant stat.
What does Petry's ice time have to do with Sbisa's?

Sbisa didn't start the season on our second pairing. He worked his way up there by the middle of the season. Are you really trying to argue that our second pairing wasn't Sbisa-Visnovsky in the second half?

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What does Petry's ice time have to do with Sbisa's?
You're arguing that Sbisa was a top-4 defenseman because of ice-time. I was showing how that same argument might imply that Petry was a #1 defenseman, which is ridiculous.

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Sbisa didn't start the season on our second pairing. He worked his way up there by the middle of the season. Are you really trying to argue that our second pairing wasn't Sbisa-Visnovsky in the second half?
Just because he played on a second pairing, doesn't mean he's a top-4 defenseman. Anaheim was a horrid defensive team. On an average defensive team, Sbisa shouldn't be in a top-4.

I honestly don't understand how you can seriously argue that Luca Sbisa is better than Jeff Petry. I'll buy that Sbisa earned his way into the Ducks top-4 and I'll buy that Sbisa is a #4 defenseman. But he's not better than Petry.

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I honestly don't understand how you can seriously argue that Luca Sbisa is better than Jeff Petry. I'll buy that Sbisa earned his way into the Ducks top-4 and I'll buy that Sbisa is a #4 defenseman. But he's not better than Petry.
Great, why are you directing that at me? My only contention is that Sbisa is no longer a third pairing defenseman, and that I think Beauchemin is a better defenseman than Petry.

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