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12-03-2012, 10:58 PM
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Joffery Lupul - Tim Conolly - Phil Kessel
James van Riemsdyk - Mikhail Grabovski - Clarke MacArthur
Nikolai Kulemin - Matthew Lombardi - Matt Frattin
Jay Mcclement - David Steckel - Mike Brown

Carl Gunnarson - Dion Phaneuf
Jake Gardiner - Cody Franson
John Micheal Liles - Mike Komisarek

Roberto Luongo
James Reimer

doesn't look bad. Wonder what it'll take to get a guy like Chris Stewart
Bolded need to go before we are true contenders.

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Who is going to play center?

Losing Bozak seems to indicate Burke has something else cooking for the center ice position.

Removing Bozak and adding Luongo probably improves the team, but adding a 1st. line center and this elevates the Leafs.

Question is how much is a 1st. line center going to cost since there doesn't appear to be one in the minors.
Leafs want Kesler more than Luongo? I wonder what that deal would look like? Edler is unsigned and might (long shot) be availible, too. What a blockbuster!

Kesler, Edler and Luongo for Kadri and three first round picks?

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12-04-2012, 06:59 AM
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Resign Lupul, MacArthur, Bozak
Don't resign Lombardi and Connolly
Trade: Bozak, Grabovski, MacArthur for Luongo and Malhotra
Sign Getzlaf in the offseason

Lupul (33 G, 50 A)-Getzlaf (25 G, 45A) -Kessel (45G, 34A) --- (Big centre for the dynamic duo)

JVR (38G, 20A) -Kadri (18 G, 43A)-Frattin (36G, 12A) --- (Great playmaker with two snipers)

Kulemin (18G, 20A)-Malhotra (13G, 24A)-Ashton (12G, 14A) --- (shut-down line with some scoring, Ashton gets a sheltered role, Malhotra can help our penalty kills and he's better than Steckel, I would put Colborne in but he looks like he needs more conditioning than Ashton)

Brown (2G, 4A)-McClement (6G, 9A)-Komorav (8G, 8A) (Shut-down line and Penalty kill)

Orr (Adds toughness)


Phaneuf (15G, 33A)-Gunnarsson (7G, 15A) (Top offensive forward with best all round defenseman)

Gardiner (11G, 24A) -Holzer (3G, 10A) (Holzer is ready and could be a shutdown defenseman)

Rielly (7G, 18A)-Ranger (5G, 14A) (Ranger will likely be ready by next season and will fight for his spot, Rielly gains some experience, this line may swap with the second defensive pairing eventually)

Liles (He gets injured a lot anyways...)
Komisarek (Bury him somewhere)


Luongo
Reimer

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12-04-2012, 11:35 AM
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Resign Lupul, MacArthur, Bozak
Don't resign Lombardi and Connolly
Trade: Bozak, Grabovski, MacArthur for Luongo and Malhotra
Sign Getzlaf in the offseason
Malhotra is a free agent this summer.

I can't see the Nucks being interested in Grabo. He'd be 3rd on their depth chart at C and I can't see them wanting to pay their 3rd line C 5.5 mil a year. Bozak would be their 4th line C which is a waste of talent plus likely too expensive for a 4th line C as well.

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Resign Lupul, MacArthur, Bozak
Don't resign Lombardi and Connolly
Trade: Bozak, Grabovski, MacArthur for Luongo and Malhotra
Sign Getzlaf in the offseason

Lupul (33 G, 50 A)-Getzlaf (25 G, 45A) -Kessel (45G, 34A) --- (Big centre for the dynamic duo)

JVR (38G, 20A) -Kadri (18 G, 43A)-Frattin (36G, 12A) --- (Great playmaker with two snipers)

Kulemin (18G, 20A)-Malhotra (13G, 24A)-Ashton (12G, 14A) --- (shut-down line with some scoring, Ashton gets a sheltered role, Malhotra can help our penalty kills and he's better than Steckel, I would put Colborne in but he looks like he needs more conditioning than Ashton)

Brown (2G, 4A)-McClement (6G, 9A)-Komorav (8G, 8A) (Shut-down line and Penalty kill)

Orr (Adds toughness)


Phaneuf (15G, 33A)-Gunnarsson (7G, 15A) (Top offensive forward with best all round defenseman)

Gardiner (11G, 24A) -Holzer (3G, 10A) (Holzer is ready and could be a shutdown defenseman)

Rielly (7G, 18A)-Ranger (5G, 14A) (Ranger will likely be ready by next season and will fight for his spot, Rielly gains some experience, this line may swap with the second defensive pairing eventually)

Liles (He gets injured a lot anyways...)
Komisarek (Bury him somewhere)


Luongo
Reimer
That'd put the Leafs at 302 goals on the season lol, which would be 20 more than Pittsburgh, the league's best offence last year.

Temper your expectations a bit, particularly with the second line. Kadri putting up 61 points in his first full season is a bit much to ask.

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Malhotra is a free agent this summer.

I can't see the Nucks being interested in Grabo. He'd be 3rd on their depth chart at C and I can't see them wanting to pay their 3rd line C 5.5 mil a year. Bozak would be their 4th line C which is a waste of talent plus likely too expensive for a 4th line C as well.
They actually need a 3rd line C and are actually planning on moving Kesler to W so.... i dont know where this came from.

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They actually need a 3rd line C and are actually planning on moving Kesler to W so.... i dont know where this came from.
I know they need a 3rd line C (Bozak would be good fit), but I didn't know they want to move Kesler to the wing. Where you read/hear this? Seems odd to me since he took the most faceoffs for them last year and was 2nd in winning percentage behind Manny.

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They actually need a 3rd line C and are actually planning on moving Kesler to W so.... i dont know where this came from.
Not sure why they'd move one of the best two-way centres in the league to the wing. Please explain.

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I know they need a 3rd line C (Bozak would be good fit), but I didn't know they want to move Kesler to the wing. Where you read/hear this? Seems odd to me since he took the most faceoffs for them last year and was 2nd in winning percentage behind Manny.
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Not sure why they'd move one of the best two-way centres in the league to the wing. Please explain.
I honestly have no idea, their fans keep repeating how they want a solid second line C, or if they form a deal in which a 2nd line C is coming their way then they expect Kesler to be moved to wing. Not sure why, and cant fathom how that would be at all beneficial, but hey if their fans think itll happen then who am i to argue.

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12-04-2012, 08:17 PM
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I'd also trade Bozak for Hjalmarrson (2 years vs. 1 year, plus I believe in building from the net out)

However, I have to disagree about Bozak vs. Stajan. I think Stajan has more natural skill then Bozak that allowed him to have some success with skill players and rack up some decent offensive numbers. But Bozak has a much higher compete level that makes him tough to play that will translate to being able to be a good 3rd line center. I see Stajan as a good player on a bad team because he gets powerplay time but doesn't have a place on a good team. Well right now I see Bozak as okay player on a bad team who is simply in over his head.

A better comparison for Bozak would be Dominic Moore who was misslotted as a first liner in Toronto but was great as a third liner in Montreal, Tampa and San Jose.
I wouldn't be completely against that as a Hawks fan

Not a Bozak fan but think he could be ok 2nd line C in shortterm for Hawks and he seems to be solid at faceoff circle

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Frolik-Bolland-Bickell

Sharp + Hossa should make up for whatever shortcomings Bozak has

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I wouldn't be completely against that as a Hawks fan

Not a Bozak fan but think he could be ok 2nd line C in shortterm for Hawks and he seems to be solid at faceoff circle

Stalberg-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Bozak-Hossa
Frolik-Bolland-Bickell

Sharp + Hossa should make up for whatever shortcomings Bozak has
He's actually pretty good defensively, no shortcomings there, good average D. He also has good moves but has trouble finishing plays, he still got 47 points which was kind of shocking even though he was playing with Lupul and Kessel.

I think the Leafs probably add a late pick or an average prospect to finish the deal. Hjalmarrsson would be perfect for the Leafs.

He can skate, and he's a defensive D..something Komisarek was supposed to be.

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He's actually pretty good defensively, no shortcomings there, good average D. He also has good moves but has trouble finishing plays, he still got 47 points which was kind of shocking even though he was playing with Lupul and Kessel.

I think the Leafs probably add a late pick or an average prospect to finish the deal. Hjalmarrsson would be perfect for the Leafs.

He can skate, and he's a defensive D..something Komisarek was supposed to be.
Wouldn't be an issue

Sharp has great shot and Hossa has is good scorer as well... Bozak just has to get them puck and win faceoffs

I just dread the thought of Kane playing C again or even worse Kruger playing 2nd line C

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I wouldn't be completely against that as a Hawks fan

Not a Bozak fan but think he could be ok 2nd line C in shortterm for Hawks and he seems to be solid at faceoff circle

Stalberg-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Bozak-Hossa
Frolik-Bolland-Bickell

Sharp + Hossa should make up for whatever shortcomings Bozak has
He's pretty underrated around here IMO






Also statistically one of the Leafs' best guys in the shootout

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*knocks on wood*

If a deal gets done soon, I expect Burke will be quickly making a trade or two.

The Lu saga might finally be at its end.

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I dont know if anyone cares, but what is colton orr doing now? is he playing? and if the nhl comes back i know caryle likes a tough guy on his team, does orr have a shot at comming back to the leafs when the lockout is over?

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*knocks on wood*

If a deal gets done soon, I expect Burke will be quickly making a trade or two.

The Lu saga might finally be at its end.
I imagine several trades will go down before start of year (If it happens which I still have no hope for)

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I honestly have no idea, their fans keep repeating how they want a solid second line C, or if they form a deal in which a 2nd line C is coming their way then they expect Kesler to be moved to wing.
Canucks fans want an upper end #2C so we can stick him on the 3rd line.

The last time Kesler moved to wing it's because Sundin played C on the 2nd line. I doubt very much we acquire a C of Sundin's calibre in any trade.

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Canucks fans want an upper end #2C so we can stick him on the 3rd line.

The last time Kesler moved to wing it's because Sundin played C on the 2nd line. I doubt very much we acquire a C of Sundin's calibre in any trade.
Stick Kesler on the third line???

I hate him, but he's at the very least a great 2nd liner

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Canucks fans want an upper end #2C so we can stick him on the 3rd line.

The last time Kesler moved to wing it's because Sundin played C on the 2nd line. I doubt very much we acquire a C of Sundin's calibre in any trade.
I dont know, a lot of your fan bases have stated numerous times that if vancouver acquires a good 2nd line C theyd expect Kesler to move to W.

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Stick Kesler on the third line???

I hate him, but he's at the very least a great 2nd liner
Seriously!?!
Since when is a 40 goal scoring Selke candidate not good enough for the 2nd line C?

Hello, Canucks fans? If Kesler's not happy in Vancouver on the 2nd line he can play C on the 1st line here in Toronto.

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Stick Kesler on the third line???

I hate him, but he's at the very least a great 2nd liner
The new guy would be the #3C.

EXAMPLE: if the Nucks acquired Grabovski.

Sedin - Kesler - Grabovski down the middle. Grabo as the #3C
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I dont know, a lot of your fan bases have stated numerous times that if vancouver acquires a good 2nd line C theyd expect Kesler to move to W.
I would only expect Kesler to move to wing if it makes us a better team - the C would also need to be better than Kesler currently. Someone like Joe Thornton? Sure. Bozak? No.

Our version of a "good #2C" is a little high. Basically an elite C, not an average #2C.

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Resign Lupul, MacArthur, Bozak
Don't resign Lombardi and Connolly
Trade: Bozak, Grabovski, MacArthur for Luongo and Malhotra
Sign Getzlaf in the offseason

Lupul (33 G, 50 A)-Getzlaf (25 G, 45A) -Kessel (45G, 34A) --- (Big centre for the dynamic duo)

JVR (38G, 20A) -Kadri (18 G, 43A)-Frattin (36G, 12A) --- (Great playmaker with two snipers)

Kulemin (18G, 20A)-Malhotra (13G, 24A)-Ashton (12G, 14A) --- (shut-down line with some scoring, Ashton gets a sheltered role, Malhotra can help our penalty kills and he's better than Steckel, I would put Colborne in but he looks like he needs more conditioning than Ashton)

Brown (2G, 4A)-McClement (6G, 9A)-Komorav (8G, 8A) (Shut-down line and Penalty kill)

Orr (Adds toughness)


Phaneuf (15G, 33A)-Gunnarsson (7G, 15A) (Top offensive forward with best all round defenseman)

Gardiner (11G, 24A) -Holzer (3G, 10A) (Holzer is ready and could be a shutdown defenseman)

Rielly (7G, 18A)-Ranger (5G, 14A) (Ranger will likely be ready by next season and will fight for his spot, Rielly gains some experience, this line may swap with the second defensive pairing eventually)

Liles (He gets injured a lot anyways...)
Komisarek (Bury him somewhere)


Luongo
Reimer
Everything about the bolded stat line is just insane. 61 points for Kadri? 38 goals for JVR??? (One more than Kessel has last year, and, you know, his career high is 40 points). 36 GOALS FOR FRATTIN? What the ****? He'd be lucky to reach half that.

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The new guy would be the #3C.

EXAMPLE: if the Nucks acquired Grabovski.

Sedin - Kesler - Grabovski down the middle. Grabo as the #3C


I would only expect Kesler to move to wing if it makes us a better team - the C would also need to be better than Kesler currently. Someone like Joe Thornton? Sure. Bozak? No.

Our version of a "good #2C" is a little high. Basically an elite C, not an average #2C.
Makes sense

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Everything about the bolded stat line is just insane. 61 points for Kadri? 38 goals for JVR??? (One more than Kessel has last year, and, you know, his career high is 40 points). 36 GOALS FOR FRATTIN? What the ****? He'd be lucky to reach half that.
Yeah, I would be happy with Frattin and JVR getting half the goals listed and Kadri getting half the assists listed. Those were very optimistic projections.

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The new guy would be the #3C.

EXAMPLE: if the Nucks acquired Grabovski.

Sedin - Kesler - Grabovski down the middle. Grabo as the #3C


I would only expect Kesler to move to wing if it makes us a better team - the C would also need to be better than Kesler currently. Someone like Joe Thornton? Sure. Bozak? No.

Our version of a "good #2C" is a little high. Basically an elite C, not an average #2C.
Oh that makes more sense LOL

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