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12-05-2012, 09:43 AM
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Pretty sure they could start training camp while finalizing the deal, if both sides agreed to it. Also, I doubt this CBA will ultimately be that much different than the previous CBA, it's not really a big re-write like in 2005. I doubt it will take a really long time to sort out once things are agreed to. The tricky part could be if teams are required to get under a new, lower cap, and how long they're given to work on that with the new rules.

If a deal got done in the next week I imagine we'd be looking at start time just after Christmas
With "make whole" the cap won't be much lower this year, will it? Plus, contracts are prorated. These guys are only going to be owed 60-75% of their money. Cap hits automatically lower.

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Awesome, I am officially not getting anything done at work today... This better be good!
me too! i wish i could blame it on this though. im afraid this is the norm for me. then around 515 i bust out about 3 hours of work in 45 mins and it looks like i had a semi-productive day

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For some reason I’m not getting a good feeling this time around. Maybe i have been conditioned to feel pessimistic when optimism is surrounding these negotiations.

Every time they get back to the table there is a sense that its a "pivotal" time in negotiations. Whether its to save the 82 games, 70 games now 60 games; however we have yet to go to experience the "save the season" negotiations.

I felt that the day we thought there was traction, was the day the NHL and NHLPA signed the agreement.

There has never been re-assurance that real progress has been made. Its just an idea, a belief. No concrete evidence that numbers have been approved and they are making their way down the list of issues.

Apparently we will all know this afternoon, and when the afternoon rolls around it will be in the morning. When the morning rolls around, it will be the evening, and when the evening comes they will meet with the media and will once again be unable to meet in the middle.

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I hope its a short BOG meeting with no "hard-liner" owners piping up:

"you offered them WHAT? no deal."

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I hope its a short BOG meeting with no "hard-liner" owners piping up:

"you offered them WHAT? no deal."
The two biggest hardliners were in that room last night though in Jacobs and Edwards. They know what's going on.

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For some reason I’m not getting a good feeling this time around. Maybe i have been conditioned to feel pessimistic when optimism is surrounding these negotiations.

Every time they get back to the table there is a sense that its a "pivotal" time in negotiations. Whether its to save the 82 games, 70 games now 60 games; however we have yet to go to experience the "save the season" negotiations.

I felt that the day we thought there was traction, was the day the NHL and NHLPA signed the agreement.

There has never been re-assurance that real progress has been made. Its just an idea, a belief. No concrete evidence that numbers have been approved and they are making their way down the list of issues.

Apparently we will all know this afternoon, and when the afternoon rolls around it will be in the morning. When the morning rolls around, it will be the evening, and when the evening comes they will meet with the media and will once again be unable to meet in the middle.
To me, the difference this time around is that there is a real change in tone from the principles, whereas with the previous times, the optimism seemed to be largely media driven and speculative.

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Geoff Molson, Marc Bergevin et Kevin Gilmore des Canadiens viennent d'arriver à la réunion du Bureau des gouverneurs.

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I hope its a short BOG meeting with no "hard-liner" owners piping up:

"you offered them WHAT? no deal."
I doubt they'd discuss what was in the meeting last night if they know that the players are going to bring them something as stated because otherwise they might see that a breach of confidentiality and pull it away.

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I would just love Lou Lamoriello to walk into one of these meetings saying "Here's what's going to happen...."
And the players storm out followed by a Fehr history lesson? No thanks.

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12-05-2012, 09:51 AM
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Geoff Molson, Marc Bergevin et Kevin Gilmore des Canadiens viennent d'arriver à la réunion du Bureau des gouverneurs.
oh ok cool. glad that got cleared up...

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convienent that where the NHL and PA are meeting is less then a mile away from where the BOG meeting is. Nice and close.

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12-05-2012, 09:53 AM
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And the players storm out followed by a Fehr history lesson? No thanks.
Lou was instrumental to a deal after the 04-05 lockout.

There isn't a more respected general manager in the league aside from MAYBE Holland. Get your facts straight.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say they will be back to swinging their purses at each other and ovulating to the media by 530pm tonight.

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The first decision after a deal is consummated, is the resignations of Gary Bettman and Donald Fehr.
The second decision would be the hiring of Ken Dryden as commissioner and Bobby Orr to head the NHLPA.

/dream
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Awesome, I am officially not getting anything done at work today... This better be good!
Haha seriously; floating between blogs, HFB, and Twitter.

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Geoff Molson, Marc Bergevin et Kevin Gilmore des Canadiens viennent d'arriver à la réunion du Bureau des gouverneurs.
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Geoff Molson, Marc Bergevin and Kevin Gilmore of the Canadiens have just arrived at the board of governors meeting

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And the players storm out followed by a Fehr history lesson? No thanks.
I was more making a mafia joke implying that Lou would make them the proverbial "offer they can't refuse"

But still... as was pointed out by a fellow Devils fan... Lou was very instrumental to the solution in 04-05 and is one of the most important hockey "people" in the sport.

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12-05-2012, 10:00 AM
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say they will be back to swinging their purses at each other and ovulating to the media by 530pm tonight.
This

It is still a very volatile situation. Menstrual women can be very unpredictable, and we have a lot of them involved in this process.

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convienent that where the NHL and PA are meeting is less then a mile away from where the BOG meeting is. Nice and close.
It's even less than that, only two blocks. Proskauer Rose I believe is on 41st and 8th while the Westin is on 43rd and 8th.

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oh ok cool. glad that got cleared up...
sorry, i thought it was one of those tweets you could figure out even if you didn't know french

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To me, the difference this time around is that there is a real change in tone from the principles, whereas with the previous times, the optimism seemed to be largely media driven and speculative.
Bill Daly and Steve Fehr had a joint press conference last night. That's the big difference. Once that starts happening, just for the symbolism alone, it seems like it would take something insane for a deal not to get done.

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The first decision after a deal is consummated, is the resignations of Gary Bettman and Donald Fehr.
The second decision would be the hiring of Ken Dryden as commissioner and Bobby Orr to head the NHLPA.

/dream
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You want a real politician running the NHL? No thanks.

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Lou was instrumental to a deal after the 04-05 lockout.

There isn't a more respected general manager in the league aside from MAYBE Holland. Get your facts straight.
After walking into a huge meeting and saying "Here's what's going to happen...."?? Respected or not, everyone involved in these talks have been ultra sensitive throughout this process. With both sides currently discussing the deal in a civilized manor, there's no need for anyone making demands like that. Facts straightened.

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I was more making a mafia joke implying that Lou would make them the proverbial "offer they can't refuse"
Got it. Just walking on pins right now. Just hoping no side storms out.

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This

It is still a very volatile situation. Menstrual women can be very unpredictable, and we have a lot of them involved in this process.
Yep. (Men + Money) == Pregnant women

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I'm going to assume that most people participating in this thread love hockey as much as i do. Did anyone else have trouble sleeping last night?

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