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12-05-2012, 12:03 PM
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But its not about money paid, its about the count against the cap. I believe you have to include all incentives that might be gained in that cap number. If not you could sign Cutler for a $1 million cap hit and $12 mil in easily obtained incentives.
True... but I'm speaking pure money and business wise. I know 10M is nothing for the NFL, but that's still a ton of change to give a guy who is badly underperforming... and might be on the decline. Hester isn't young anymore... he turned 30 last month.

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Paying Urlacher and Hester $18 million under a salary cap is ridiculous.

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12-05-2012, 12:09 PM
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Spaeth and Kellen Davis make $4.5 mil combined this year. That money can get you a tight end. Neither will be on the team next year.
Didn't realize they each made that much... That's ridiculous.

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Paying Urlacher and Hester $18 million under a salary cap is ridiculous.
With both player's decline this season, I completely agree.

Was worth it a few years ago, though. I'd have paid the two of them even more than that.

Hester needs to go if his hit is any more than $3.5M or so. He has been useless in the returning and receiving game for a long time now.

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You can't bring back those guys for $18 million. Trade Hester and low-ball Urlacher's offer. Hester hasn't done ****. I'm sorry, guys, but he's just not a good receiver. If he's not making an impactful presence on special teams, he's rather useless. Urlacher is a good presence, but you can't pay him elite level money.

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12-05-2012, 12:59 PM
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But its not about money paid, its about the count against the cap. I believe you have to include all incentives that might be gained in that cap number. If not you could sign Cutler for a $1 million cap hit and $12 mil in easily obtained incentives.
The bonus is based on the previous years' statistics. For example, Hester's cap hit for this year is only 2.8M.

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-be...re-in-chicago/
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Hester needs to go. If Brian is done for the year I'd love to see him get a one game contract for a proper send off at Soilders. That is if he doesn't go to some other team.

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Jake Long to the IR, officially. Supposedly he's been battling "arm issues" since 2010.


Still only 27 right now, and 28 next May... should have plenty of gas left in the tank if he can get that arm straightened out.

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12-05-2012, 02:24 PM
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The Bears won't have the cap space in the next few years to sign a LT for 10 million a season. You'd be better off signing a LG like Levitre from BUF for 5 million. Webb is very cost effective at LT and if you improved weaknesses such as LG it would make Webb better by proxy. Spending 10 million on a LT and ignoring the rest of the line while killing the cap won't do much. Sure, you'll be set at LT, but it isn't 1950 anymore. Defenses move pass rushers around and send blitzes through every gap.

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12-05-2012, 02:26 PM
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The Bears won't have the cap space in the next few years to sign a LT for 10 million a season. You'd be better off signing a LG like Levitre from BUF for 5 million.
If cap space is an issue, cut guys from other positions. The O-line must be addressed with a Jake Long signing. He helps us win more than guys like Urlacher and Hester.

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12-05-2012, 02:27 PM
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The Bears won't have the cap space in the next few years to sign a LT for 10 million a season. You'd be better off signing a LG like Levitre from BUF for 5 million.
Would we be under if Urlacher and Hester were both cut after the year?

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12-05-2012, 02:30 PM
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The Bears won't have the cap space in the next few years to sign a LT for 10 million a season. You'd be better off signing a LG like Levitre from BUF for 5 million. Webb is very cost effective at LT and if you improved weaknesses such as LG it would make Webb better by proxy. Spending 10 million on a LT and ignoring the rest of the line while killing the cap won't do much. Sure, you'll be set at LT, but it isn't 1950 anymore. Defenses move pass rushers around and send blitzes through every gap.
Webb sucks

LT is biggest issue on OL (Followed by RT)

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If cap space is an issue, cut guys from other positions. The O-line must be addressed with a Jake Long signing. He helps us win more than guys like Urlacher and Hester.
Long for 10m is nowhere near as cost effective as Webb is for pennies. You can draft a center in the 3rd or 4th round, pick up a LG like Levitre for 5 mill, and add a couple guys at other positions, or you can spend 9 million on a marginal upgrade at LT while cutting guys that help the team win.

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Would we be under if Urlacher and Hester were both cut after the year?
Well Urlacher's off the books completely but Hester's in line for something like 2.9m in cap next year. At this point I don't see Urlacher breaking the bank or coming close to his 7.5m salary The thing everyone needs to realize is literally almost everyone except Forte needs a new deal in a year or two.

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12-05-2012, 02:33 PM
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Webb sucks

LT is biggest issue on OL (Followed by RT)
No he doesn't. Outside of two god-awful games he has been serviceable.

We also have holes at LG, C, RT, and RG that need to be fixed.

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12-05-2012, 02:33 PM
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Harvin didn't practice today, most likely will not play again this week.

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Long for 10m is nowhere near as cost effective as Webb is for pennies. You can draft a center in the 3rd or 4th round, pick up a LG like Levitre for 5 mill, and add a couple guys at other positions, or you can spend 9 million on a marginal upgrade at LT while cutting guys that help the team win.
We need a RT too, Webb can play there. But I see where you are coming from if your thinking is that Long is only a marginal upgrade. I vehemently disagree. The O-line is bad and Long makes it a lot better. Urlacher and Hester haven't done jack **** all year. Each have had about 2 or 3 good games.

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We need a RT too, Webb can play there. But I see where you are coming from if your thinking is that Long is only a marginal upgrade. I vehemently disagree. The O-line is bad and Long makes it a lot better. Urlacher and Hester haven't done jack **** all year. Each have had about 2 or 3 good games.
In terms of cost/benefit, Long is not 9 million dollars better than Webb. Teams blitz up the middle as well as on the right side, how is Long going to help stop that? He's not in the Joe Thomas echelon of LT that can singlehandedly shut down a superstar pass rusher.

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12-05-2012, 02:42 PM
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In terms of cost/benefit, Long is not 9 million dollars better than Webb. Teams blitz up the middle as well as on the right side, how is Long going to help stop that? He's not in the Joe Thomas echelon of LT that can singlehandedly shut down a superstar pass rusher.
The Bears don't get beat up the middle a lot, the guards this year have been pretty solid. However Carimi and Webb have been abused on the outside. Its the reason Carimi was benched, Webb would be benched but we have no one to take his spot.

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The Bears don't get beat up the middle a lot, the guards this year have been pretty solid. However Carimi and Webb have been abused on the outside. Its the reason Carimi was benched, Webb would be benched but we have no one to take his spot.
Louis just tore his ACL, and he probably won't be back until around October. What if he has to go on PUP?

Garza is declining and isn't what he used to be in the run game. He's going to be 35 needs to be replaced soon.

LG and RT have been terrible all year.

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12-05-2012, 02:47 PM
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Even if you removed Davis and Campbell, that's about 7M right there. There are plenty of areas where we are literally getting NOTHING for a lot of money to trim from.

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Only guys due significant raises from top of my head this offseason are Louis and Melton

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Louis just tore his ACL, and he probably won't be back until around October. What if he has to go on PUP?

Garza is declining and isn't what he used to be in the run game. He's going to be 35 needs to be replaced soon.

LG and RT have been terrible all year.
Louis' contract is up, he won't be back at all, same with Spencer (and Rachal). Carimi may solve their problems at right guard, we'll see.

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Only guys due significant raises from top of my head this offseason are Louis and Melton
Louis won't be back with that ACL injury. You aren't going to give a guy coming off of an ACL injury a big raise. I think Jennings is on a 1 year deal.

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Even if you removed Davis and Campbell, that's about 7M right there. There are plenty of areas where we are literally getting NOTHING for a lot of money to trim from.
Davis sucks, but you need to sign a quality backup QB then if you cut Campbell.

And you have to re-sign or replace the following within a year or two

Cutler
Melton
Louis
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Jennings
Wright
MLB + SLB
LG +C +RT
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Davis sucks, but you need to sign a quality backup QB then if you cut Campbell.

And you have to re-sign or replace the following within a year or two

Cutler
Melton
Louis
Tillman
Jennings
Wright
MLB + SLB
LG +C +RT
Nickel Corner
Gould
I guess my point is if you aren't going to significantly improve the offensive line, you may as well let every guy on that list walk because this team has no shot in hell to ever win the Super Bowl with an offensive like they have. Moreover, Cutler will not survive in the NFL much longer if they don't do anything about it. Hell, he already said he will take less money so they can fix it. Don't even bother signing him if you aren't going to do something about it.

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