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12-04-2012, 06:36 PM
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It's not about guys who played a year in the NHL, it's about those who would otherwise be in the NHL as rookies. The '05 team had Seabrook, Phaneuf, Carter, Richards, Getlaz and Perry all playing as '03 draft picks who immediately stepped in as decent players (most of them impact players right away) in the NHL the following year who easily could have made their NHL teams a year sooner if not for the lockout. I don't believe Scheifele would have made the Jets this year so the crop from this year that could have been rookies in the NHL is Strome and Huberdeau, IMO, and even if you include Scheifele the quantity isn't close, nor is the caliber. The '03 draft was ridiculously good for Canadian talent, the 2010 draft was not even close.
Not only that but we need to remember that the 2011 draft was abysmal for Canadian forwards. Still though, Canada's forward unit as a whole should be much stronger than any other team, and assuming he plays, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is unequivocally the best offensive player in the tournament, for as much as we like to drum up our team it's been a few years since you could realistically say that about a Canadian player.

On defense again no other team has the depth, and only USA can match/better the star power. Of course you have to hope that the players game's will translate to the larger ice surface, but again, on skill Canada's defensive unit should be best.

Can't comment much on goaltending as I don't know as much about the players but the general consensus is that Subban looks to be a solid starter.

Sure the team doesn't look as dominant as some would like to see during a lockout year, but it still looks to be the strongest team sent in the last few years.

Of course I ould just be out to lunch.

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The one thing that is nice is Belleville Bulls play on an Olympic size arena so Subban is used to the big ice angles

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People are doubting the top 6?

Huberdeau - RNH - Scheifele
Rattie - Strome - MacKinnon

Thats a dominant top 6...

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I wouldn't be shocked if Canada wins a gold medal. I wouldn't be shocked if Canada fails to get out of the quarterfinals. This is team is just in the pack this year, plenty of teams with a chance. Hell the Slovaks and Swiss haven't even released their rosters, they won't be pushovers either, although likely not on the level of the CAN, USA, FIN, RUS, SWE, CZE those teams might surprise.



Oh, so we would have a dominating team if we had our NHL players...well except this one year we actually get them, this one just doesn't count.
2005 only gave the team Patrice Bergeron, if you look at the roster the rest of the team was not going to play in the NHL that year. Not one other one. Canadians like to point to that as "look if we had all of our players we'd win every year". I don't believe this at all. Like you said every year is different. That was just a ridiculously deep roster that year. You think Bergeron was the difference? I don't. It was simply a strong year.
My point being, the guys in the NHL and therefore not eligible for the WJC have very little effect on the rosters, IMO.

We have a good skating D...if they take those guys. This is a prelim roster. They will be trying out on NA ice...hopefully the coaches can anticipate that. Guys like Reinhart and Pelech might struggle mightily on the big ice. Then again, being good skater does not guarantee success on the big ice either. I don't know, but I just don't believe this team is that good. Most years Canada is a huge favourite. This year they are one of about 4-5 teams that could all take gold, IMO. CAN, RUS, USA, FIN, CZE all have very strong rosters, any could win gold, IMO. And SWE could surprise as well. And in a short tournament like this never count out a hot streak/one game steals by SUI and SVK. It'll be more interesting that your average year anyways, IMO.
Actually it's at WinSport in Calgary which does have an Olympic size rink.

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The one thing that sticks out to me the most for Team Canada is the difference in goaltending this year. Subban is easily the best goaltender we've had since Price IMO. His athleticism is off the the charts. The only concern I can think of is the pressure of the national stage. I've paid a lot of attention to him this year and he does have a certain ability to steal games when his team isn't playing up to their ability. Goaltending for Canada the last 5 years has been a major weak spot.

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I wouldn't be shocked if Canada wins a gold medal. I wouldn't be shocked if Canada fails to get out of the quarterfinals. This is team is just in the pack this year, plenty of teams with a chance. Hell the Slovaks and Swiss haven't even released their rosters, they won't be pushovers either, although likely not on the level of the CAN, USA, FIN, RUS, SWE, CZE those teams might surprise.



Oh, so we would have a dominating team if we had our NHL players...well except this one year we actually get them, this one just doesn't count.
2005 only gave the team Patrice Bergeron, if you look at the roster the rest of the team was not going to play in the NHL that year. Not one other one. Canadians like to point to that as "look if we had all of our players we'd win every year". I don't believe this at all. Like you said every year is different. That was just a ridiculously deep roster that year. You think Bergeron was the difference? I don't. It was simply a strong year.
My point being, the guys in the NHL and therefore not eligible for the WJC have very little effect on the rosters, IMO.
I really think you're understating Bergeron's importance on that team. He was easily the best player in the tournament. He was the MVP. You make it sound like he was "just another player". Canada had a great, deep team that year and he was by far the the best player on that team. His performance was one of the best I've seen in the 20+ years I've watched the WJC.

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I really think you're understating Bergeron's importance on that team. He was easily the best player in the tournament. He was the MVP. You make it sound like he was "just another player". Canada had a great, deep team that year and he was by far the the best player on that team. His performance was one of the best I've seen in the 20+ years I've watched the WJC.
Either way...

That team had alot of other talent other then Bergeron

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Now that camp invites are announced, anyone know if those selected will play for their respective junior teams this weekend or will they be sat out to protect them from last minute injury? I don't remember is Scheifele was rested last year or played.

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Well... by all accounts CBA talks are going well...

That may well mean no Nuge, Strome, Hueb and Jenner... possibly more if teams pull out players for a quick look in training camp.

IF the NHL sorts their ISH out, who else could be lost? Would any of the defenders get camp looks?

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Well... by all accounts CBA talks are going well...

That may well mean no Nuge, Strome, Hueb and Jenner... possibly more if teams pull out players for a quick look in training camp.

IF the NHL sorts their ISH out, who else could be lost? Would any of the defenders get camp looks?
I'm not too worried at this point. If I was an NHL GM facing an abbreviated season, I'm not sure I'd hold a top prospect back from an experience like the World Juniors for a training camp in which they might have a chance to make the team - unless they're certain the player is going to make the team they're risking having him miss out on the WJC for nothing and even if they make the team they're burning a year of the entry-level contract for what is roughly half a season. Obviously RNH would be out but I'm not sure it'd affect the others.

That's also assuming that any progress is actually made. I don't want to get off topic in this thread so I'll just say that I don't put any faith in reports of progress until a deal is signed and season openers are scheduled.

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Well... by all accounts CBA talks are going well...

That may well mean no Nuge, Strome, Hueb and Jenner... possibly more if teams pull out players for a quick look in training camp.

IF the NHL sorts their ISH out, who else could be lost? Would any of the defenders get camp looks?
Hamilton is definitely going to Boston in that case.

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I'm not too worried at this point. If I was an NHL GM facing an abbreviated season, I'm not sure I'd hold a top prospect back from an experience like the World Juniors for a training camp in which they might have a chance to make the team - unless they're certain the player is going to make the team they're risking having him miss out on the WJC for nothing and even if they make the team they're burning a year of the entry-level contract for what is roughly half a season. Obviously RNH would be out but I'm not sure it'd affect the others.

That's also assuming that any progress is actually made. I don't want to get off topic in this thread so I'll just say that I don't put any faith in reports of progress until a deal is signed and season openers are scheduled.
Heub and Strome have been called "locks" to make the NHL by some.

I buy CBJ giving Jenner a good look too on account for them sucking really really hard.

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So how hard would it be to get some capture equipment for my computer so I could record the Canada WJC games? I don't have a PVR. PVRs work to record shows even if you don't have HD channels, right?

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So how hard would it be to get some capture equipment for my computer so I could record the Canada WJC games? I don't have a PVR. PVRs work to record shows even if you don't have HD channels, right?
They record any channel .

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So how hard would it be to get some capture equipment for my computer so I could record the Canada WJC games? I don't have a PVR. PVRs work to record shows even if you don't have HD channels, right?
If you have one of the Shaw motorola boxes you may be able to simply plug it in to your computer via firewire and record from that.

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They record any channel .
Mts has it set that certain channels cant be recorded, like movie central and such

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IF you have composite out, and a TV card that accepts composite input, you can record from that using the analogue hole.

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NumberNameShootsHeightWeightBirthdateHometownTeamNHL Draft
1 Jordan Binnington L 6'2 168 07/11/1993 Richmond Hill, Ont. Owen Sound (OHL) STL '11 (3, 88)
31 Laurent Brossoit L 6'3 200 03/23/1993 Surrey, B.C. Edmonton (WHL) CGY '11 (6, 164)
         
2 Griffin Reinhart L 6'4 202 01/24/1994 West Vancouver, B.C. Edmonton (WHL) NYI '12 (1, 4)
8 Mathew Dumba R 6'0 183 07/25/1994 Calgary, Alta. Red Deer (WHL) MIN '12 (1, 7)
11 Morgan Rielly L 6'0 205 03/09/1994 West Vancouver, B.C. Moose Jaw (WHL) TOR '12 (1, 5)
12 Frank Corrado R 6'0 190 03/26/1993 Vaughan, Ont. Sudbury (OHL) VAN '11 (5, 150)
15 Tyler Wotherspoon L 6'1 209 03/12/1993 Surrey, B.C. Portland (WHL) CGY '11 (2, 57)
17 Dougie Hamilton R 6'5 205 06/17/1993 Toronto, Ont. Niagara (OHL) BOS '11 (1, 9)
         
6 Nathan MacKinnon R 5'11 179 09/01/1995 Cole Harbour, N.S. Halifax (QMJHL) 2013 Dft
9 Jonathan Drouin L 5'10 185 03/28/1995 Huberdeaux, Que. Halifax (QMJHL) 2013 Dft
10 J.C. Lipon R 5'11 180 07/10/1993 Regina, Sask. Kamloops (WHL) 2013 Dft
13 Anthony Camara L 6'1 195 09/04/1993 Toronto, Ont. Barrie (OHL) BOS '11 (3, 81)
14 Francis Beauvillier L 6'1 187 10/22/1993 Sorel-Tracy, Que. Rimouski (QMJHL) FLA '12 (6, 174)
16 Tom Wilson R 6'4 210 03/29/1994 Toronto, Ont. Plymouth (OHL) WSH '12 (1, 16)
20 Jonathan Huberdeau L 6'1 176 06/04/1993 St-Jérôme, Que. Saint John (QMJHL) FLA '11 (1, 3)
22 Mark Scheifele R 6'3 187 03/15/1993 Kitchener, Ont. Barrie (OHL) WPG ’11 (1, 7)
26 Phillip Danault L 6'0 189 02/24/1993 Victoriaville, Que. Victoriaville (QMJHL) CHI '11 (1, 26)
27 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins L 6'0 185 04/12/1993 Burnaby, B.C. Oklahoma City (AHL) EDM '11 (1, 1)

Team White Profile
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1 Jake Paterson L 6'1 183 05/03/1994 Mississauga, Ont. Saginaw (OHL) DET '12 (3, 80)
31 Malcolm Subban L 6'2 200 12/21/1993 Toronto, Ont. Belleville (OHL) BOS '12 (1, 24)
         
2 Derrick Pouliot L 6'0 192 01/16/1994 Weyburn, Sask. Portland (WHL) PIT '12 (1, 8)
4 Ryan Murphy R 5'11 176 03/31/1993 Aurora, Ont. Kitchener (OHL) CAR '11 (1, 12)
6 Xavier Ouellet L 6'1 190 07/29/1993 Terrebonne, Que. Blainville-Boisbriand (QMJHL) DET '11 (2, 48)
10 Adam Pelech L 6'2 210 08/18/1994 Toronto, Ont. Erie (OHL) NYI '12 (3, 65)
12 Scott Harrington L 6'2 200 03/10/1993 Kingston, Ont. London (OHL) PIT '11 (2, 54)
15 Ryan Sproul R 6'4 193 01/13/1993 Mississauga, Ont. Sault Ste. Marie (OHL) DET '11 (2, 55)
         
11 Boone Jenner L 6'2 205 06/15/1993 Dorchester, Ont. Oshawa (OHL) CBJ '11 (2, 37)
14 Tyler Graovac L 6'3 203 04/27/1993 Brampton, Ont. Ottawa (OHL) MIN '11 (7, 191)
16 Brett Ritchie R 6'4 218 07/01/1993 Orangeville, Ont. Niagara (OHL) DAL ’11 (2, 44)
17 Mark McNeill R 6'2 210 02/22/1993 Edmonton, Alta. Prince Albert (WHL) CHI ’11 (1, 18)
20 Ty Rattie R 6'0 176 02/05/1993 Airdrie, Alta. Portland (WHL) STL ’11 (2, 32)
21 Hunter Shinkaruk L 5'11 175 10/13/1994 Calgary, Alta. Medicine Hat (WHL) 2013 Dft
22 Ryan Strome R 6'1 192 07/11/1993 Mississauga, Ont. Niagara (OHL) NYI ’11 (1, 5)
25 Charles Hudon L 5'11 171 06/24/1994 Boisbriand, Que. Chicoutimi (QMJHL) MTL '12 (5, 122)
26 Daniel Catenacci L 5'10 191 03/09/1993 Newmarket, Ont. Owen Sound (OHL) BUF '11 (3, 77)
27 Sean Monahan L 6'2 193 10/12/1994 Brampton, Ont. Ottawa (OHL) 2013 Dft


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I hear Team Sweden has their camera guy there ready to do some spying and video-taping of practice... they could have just stayed in Stockholm and had a late night streaming video instead of going through all the trouble of getting to Calgary......

and besides Tie Domi is the security guard at TC selection camp. )) Just a little good natured ribbing, folks... relax...

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Team red is definitely better on paper. White depends on Strome/Ritchie. I think they're going to try the Huberdeau - RNH - Scheifele line. Will be interesting to see

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Team Red lines for intra-squad game:
Huberdeau-RNH-Scheifele
Drouin-MacKinnon-Lipon
Camara-Danault-Wilson
Beauvillie

Rielly-Hamilton
Wotherspoon-Corrado
Reinhart-Dumba

Team White lines for intra-squad game:
Hudon-Strome-Ritchie
Catenacci-Jenner-Rattie
Monahan-Graovac-McNeill
Shinkaruk

Harrington-Ouellet
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Team Red lines for intra-squad game:
Huberdeau-RNH-Scheifele
Drouin-MacKinnon-Lipon
Camara-Danault-Wilson
Beauvillie

Rielly-Hamilton
Wotherspoon-Corrado
Reinhart-Dumba

Team White lines for intra-squad game:
Hudon-Strome-Ritchie
Catenacci-Jenner-Rattie
Monahan-Graovac-McNeill
Shinkaruk

Harrington-Ouellet
Pelech-Murphy
Pouliot-Sproul
Is the game on TV?

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Canada vs CIS - Tomorrow(4pmET or 1pmPT)
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Is that site legit? If so, how much does it cost to watch the game? I looked on there but it won't show prices until you sign up, which is ridiculous.

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