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12-03-2012, 08:01 PM
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So we deal him for what seems to be nothing? hmmmm, thats poor asset management.
One of the "xxx" will be his return(s). Could be a goalie, could be either a defenseman or center. Not saying I want to deal him, but elite forwards are not immune to be traded, look at Carter/Richards/Heatley/Nash and many more. Lots can happen in 5 years. Look at any NHL roster from 5 years ago and see the changes.

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12-03-2012, 09:24 PM
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Hall Nuge Eberle
___ ___ Yakupov
Harti ___ Jones
___ ___ ____

Klefbom Schultz
Smid Petry
___ ___

Dubnyk
_____


They should be a perennial cup contender by then.

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12-03-2012, 09:33 PM
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XXX - Nuge - Eberle
Hall - XXX - Yakupov
Paajarvi - XXX - Hartikainen
XXX - XXX - XXX

Klefbom - Schultz
Smid - Petry
Musil - XXX

XXX
XXX

It's really a crapshoot at this point to try and guess the majority of them

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12-03-2012, 09:50 PM
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I'm actually scared Horc is going to get a good extension with Katz at the Helm. Dudes are pretty much neighbors and are chummy chummy.

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12-03-2012, 09:51 PM
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XXX - Nuge - Eberle
Hall - XXX - Yakupov
Paajarvi - XXX - Hartikainen
XXX - XXX - XXX

Klefbom - Schultz
Smid - Petry
Musil - XXX

XXX
XXX

It's really a crapshoot at this point to try and guess the majority of them
I also support bringing one of RNH/Hall to Yakupov's line to make 2 first lines. But putting 3 of our best 4 forwards on one line, it's easy for an opposing team which line to match their top d-pairings against.
I'd actually prefer seeing RNH on Yak's line as our best shooter should be paired with our best passer, and we already know Hall & Enerle have great chemistry.
Out of the gate is like to see:

Hall-Gagner-Eberle
Hartikainen-RNH-Yakupov
Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky

For those that can't justify Hemsky on the 3rd line, he could be switched with Harti

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12-03-2012, 10:01 PM
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I'm actually scared Horc is going to get a good extension with Katz at the Helm. Dudes are pretty much neighbors and are chummy chummy.
I don't think so. Katz is pretty aware that he's not really wanted around here. It's gotta be the kids team from here on out. The only vets out of our lineup I'd like to still see on the roster are Jones and Schutz.

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Dealt, one of them will be, 5 years is a looong time, hard to keep a core of 5 together (maybe not financial, but need to address other areas) Any of the 4 forwards can be dealt, Ebs is just a feeling.
Ebs doesn't get delt. I think Yak would be traded before him, and even that's a stretch.

Least likely to be delt to most...
Eberle
Nuge
Hall
Yakupov
Schultz

But for the record, I say keep em all as long as you can.

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12-03-2012, 10:22 PM
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Ebs doesn't get delt. I think Yak would be traded before him, and even that's a stretch.

Least likely to be delt to most...
Eberle
Nuge
Hall
Yakupov
Schultz

But for the record, I say keep em all as long as you can.
No way Schultz is most likely, hes the stud d- prospect the Oilers desperatly need. In terms of importance hes near the top. Reason I picked Ebs was 1) Hes a winger 2) May have the lowest ceiling

I would say it goes
Hall (leader, one of the most skilled)
Schultz/RNH (Skilled and play important position)
Eberle/Yakupov (talented wingers)

Note: I in noway want to get rid of Eberle, just noting that past examples show there is no certainty that top talents stay with a team. Also the Oilers may have other holes that require attention that cant be addressed through draft and hard to acquire through FA. So one of the "big 5" may have to get let go. has any team in the past had 5 top talents they were able to hang on to for a long period of time? Chicago is the closest example with Toews/Kane/Keith/Seabrook.

The Oilers may well have six big players (If Klefbom develops well). I would have zero problem dealing one of them if it meant our team got better and could contend for a cup.

As of today it does not appear we will need to do anything drastic to iprove our team. We have good goalie prospects plus Dubnyk is doing well. We have quality defense prospects and young players and a really good top six. But in the future problems could arise:
1) Dubynk sucks, goalie prospects dont pan out
2)Smid/ Petry dont progess and our d prospects dont develop well
3) Our top six is too small to do wel in the playoffs.

All what ifs, but any 1 of the 3 could happen

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12-03-2012, 10:28 PM
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We waited 10 years to have a #1C, and people think RNH is more tradeable than Eberle?!

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12-03-2012, 10:30 PM
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No way Schultz is most likely, hes the stud d- prospect the Oilers desperatly need. In terms of importance hes near the top. Reason I picked Ebs was 1) Hes a winger 2) May have the lowest ceiling

I would say it goes
Hall
Schultz/RNH
Eberle/Yakupov

Note: I in noway want to get rid of Eberle, just noting that past examples show there is no certainty that top talents stay with a team. Also the Oilers may have other holes that require attention that cant be addressed through draft and hard to acquire through FA. So one of the "big 5" may have to get let go. has any team in the past had 5 top talents they were able to hang on to for a long period of time? Chicago is the closest example with Toews/Kane/Keith/Seabrook.

The Oilers may well have six big players (If Klefbom develops well). I would have zero problem dealing one of them if it meant our team got better and could contend for a cup.
I think Ebs is the most valuable to the Oil because he's as close as it gets in the group to be a local boy for the fans to cheer for who was giddy as a school kid when he was selected to be an Oiler. Nuge is that precious 1C the Oilers coveted for so long. Hall is likely the next Captain.

Yakupov wants to be the best, I don't think the color of jersey matters as much, but I think he loves being with other top end players.

We'll see about Schultz when it comes time for his next contract as a free agent. I'm super excited to have him, but will he choose to stay with the rest or is he just looking to get his numbers up for his next deal wherever that may be. Maybe I'm just being jaded from all these years of being burned by free agents.

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12-03-2012, 10:39 PM
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Hall... leader and ****loads of determination
Eberle... clutch performer that has that "it factor"
RNH... #1 centre with excellent vision... playmaker on PP for next 10 years
Yakupov... ace sniper and PP lethal weapon AND great playmaker
Schultz PP quarterback on the blueline and #1 puck mover in the d zone.

I wouldn't give up any of them... all are critical for depth. Massacre the rest of the lineup before these pillars are moved even if they cost close to half the salary cap between them (which they probably will).

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12-03-2012, 11:22 PM
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1. SC Contender - Division leaders, deep in the playoffs.

2. (Will be completely off but whatever, so will everyone's)

Hall - Nugent-Hopkins - Eberle
Hartikainen - _______ - Yakupov
Paajarvi - _______ - Zharkov
_______ - Lander - Pitlick

Marincin - Schultz
Klefbom - Petry
Smid - Musil

Dubnyk
Bunz

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12-03-2012, 11:47 PM
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1. SC Contender - Division leaders, deep in the playoffs.

2. (Will be completely off but whatever, so will everyone's)

Hall - Nugent-Hopkins - Eberle
Hartikainen - _______ - Yakupov
Paajarvi - _______ - Zharkov
_______ - Lander - Pitlick

Marincin - Schultz
Klefbom - Petry
Smid - Musil

Dubnyk
Bunz
If Lander doesn't develop an offensive side. It's all or nothing. Rather have Ewanyk as 4C.

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12-04-2012, 12:27 AM
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if they all develop properly, id LOVE to see a thrid line of MPS-Lander-Harti,
all would be elite shutdown players, but still have enough offense to get by as a 3rd line.
I could see MPS(15-20 G, 20-25 A for 35-45 P) Lander 10-15 G, 20 A for 30-35 P) and Harti(10 G, 20 A for 30 P) easily

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12-04-2012, 02:27 AM
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If Lander doesn't develop an offensive side. It's all or nothing.
I disagree. He's shown he can have a feisty side. If he can work on faceoffs and become a defense first, faceoff specialist, sort of like Belanger, I'd be glad to have him as a 4C. Use some guys that can hit/fight while still playing a decent game (Moroz for example) and we'd have a great line.

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I don't think so. Katz is pretty aware that he's not really wanted around here. It's gotta be the kids team from here on out. The only vets out of our lineup I'd like to still see on the roster are Jones and Schutz.
Never ceases to amaze me how much NICK Schultz is forgotten by Oilers fans. Makes me think most Oilers fans keep their hockey knowledge to locality and draft picks. NICK Schultz makes us better and is more of a leader than Gilbert was (once Nick feels comfortable in the room or he realizes Horc doesnt have the room and speaks the F up).

As for Jones, I think he might be one of the few movable pieces with real hard value on the trade block. The same could be said for N Schultz but if we trade him it better be to get an even bigger upgrade on D or else we will be stuck in our own zone a good portion of games again.

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5 years? Hmmmmmm?

Fans please welcome YOUR Seattle/Quebec Oilers!

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5 years? Hmmmmmm?

Fans please welcome YOUR Seattle/Quebec Oilers!
Are you kidding? The league will still be locked out and they cant move teams during a lockout.

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Barbashev(2014)-Lazar(2013)-Yakupov
Hall-RNH-Eberle
Hartikainen-Ewanyk-Moroz
meh1-meh2-meh3

Marincin-Gernat
Smid-J.Schultz
Klefbom-S.Weber

Bunz
meh4

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1) If the same management group is heading up operations, I would say potentially still out of the playoffs or even a perennial fringe playoff team. They lack depth, Dmen need to improve, and goaltending is a huge question mark. Too much to predict.

2) won't even try


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12-05-2012, 12:22 AM
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I have this overwhelming feeling we are somehow going to draft Sean Monahan; he is the perfect second line center.

Hall-Monahan-Eberle
Hartkianen-RNH-Yakupov
Paajarvi-Lander-Pitlick
Moroz-Ewanyk-Hamilton

Schultz-Klefbom
Smid-Petry
Schultz-Musil
Marincin

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I have this overwhelming feeling we are somehow going to draft Sean Monahan; he is the perfect second line center.

Hall-Monahan-Eberle
Hartkianen-RNH-Yakupov
Paajarvi-Lander-Pitlick
Moroz-Ewanyk-Hamilton

Schultz-Klefbom
Smid-Petry
Schultz-Musil
Marincin
I think/hope it'll be Monahan or Barkov. Ideally Barkov, but he's probably Top 4 guy for sure. Dunno if we're that bad, and no way that lucky off the lottery.

PS I wouldn't split Hopkins and Eberle, I'd have your top two lines as Hall-Barkov/Monahan-Yakupov, Hartikainen-Hopkins-Eberle. Just my opinion though.

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I think/hope it'll be Monahan or Barkov. Ideally Barkov, but he's probably Top 4 guy for sure. Dunno if we're that bad, and no way that lucky off the lottery.

PS I wouldn't split Hopkins and Eberle, I'd have your top two lines as Hall-Barkov/Monahan-Yakupov, Hartikainen-Hopkins-Eberle. Just my opinion though.
You don't remember the last 3 years?

Every other fanbase will be on pins and needles watching for another lottery troll job... 4 in a row... make it so Tambo.

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12-05-2012, 05:09 PM
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I'd like to give a try at what we'd look like , say 15 years from now, since we're into long term projections. Keeping trades in mind, busts and future NHLers now playing atom or peewee, here is the list..


Johnson - Nenokov- Kunz
Jasper - Wilson - Fennell
Hopell - Juergens - Vovchinsky
Smith - Bencey - Flagrant


On D, we roll with the following stars...


Jensen - Vilnov (should be solid for years)
Herkel - Fermansky
Wetland - Forlund

Khabibulin/Nimrod in net

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I'd like to give a try at what we'd look like , say 15 years from now, since we're into long term projections. Keeping trades in mind, busts and future NHLers now playing atom or peewee, here is the list..


Johnson - Nenokov- Kunz
Jasper - Wilson - Fennell
Hopell - Juergens - Vovchinsky
Smith - Bencey - Flagrant


On D, we roll with the following stars...


Jensen - Vilnov (should be solid for years)
Herkel - Fermansky
Wetland - Forlund

Khabibulin/Nimrod in net
I see Jasper as a PRV type, won't quite live up to his potential, lacks the ability to score at the pro level. I do think you're underestimating Flagrant's potential though.
I'd have something more like:

Johnson - Nenokov- Kunz
Hopell - Wilson - Flagrant
Smith - Juergens - Fennell
Jasper - Bencey - Vovchinsky

Jensen - Vilnov
Forlund - Fermansky
Wetland - Herkel

Khabibulin/Nimrod

I also switched Forlund & Herkel so there's a RHD & LHD in each pairing.

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