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12-04-2012, 12:39 AM
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No way. Kesler is a little better than Pavelski but he's getting paid more. Their difference in value certainly isn't Clowe. Also we need wingers, not centers, and Pavelski has been a good 1st line winger despite playing out of his natural position. Not sure if Kesler can play wing, so why take the chance?



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Kesler put a point per game on Sundins wing 4 years ago, id say he is better offesevly on the wingthan at center.
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Still dont see the Shark agreing to the deal above. Overall Canucks and Sharks are bad trade partners.

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12-04-2012, 09:52 AM
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I rest my case. If the Sharks asked for Kesler, we'd be justified in asking for that, but it doesn't mean they'd be willing to give up that much depth for him, when it's questionable that he returns to 40-goal selke calibre form.
Kesler will never put up numbers like that again . Plus i heard he retiring to take up diving ..oh sorry he already has that down

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12-04-2012, 11:51 AM
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Kesler will never put up numbers like that again . Plus i heard he retiring to take up diving ..oh sorry he already has that down
Man you certainly are mad now arent you?

No reason to think Kes isnt a 70 point center.

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12-04-2012, 09:05 PM
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Just nitpicking but I don't think Clowe would fit on a line with the Sedins. He likes to hold onto the puck and pass it. Plus, he'd totally slow them down.

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12-05-2012, 11:05 AM
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Just nitpicking but I don't think Clowe would fit on a line with the Sedins. He likes to hold onto the puck and pass it. Plus, he'd totally slow them down.
Yeah Clowe might be top ten WORST players in the league to line with the Sedins...

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12-05-2012, 01:33 PM
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Just nitpicking but I don't think Clowe would fit on a line with the Sedins. He likes to hold onto the puck and pass it. Plus, he'd totally slow them down.
We'd line him up with Kesler. Unless it's someone like Kovalchuk, Kessel or basically a top tier scorer. Burrows is the unofficial triplet.

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12-05-2012, 02:38 PM
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Just nitpicking but I don't think Clowe would fit on a line with the Sedins. He likes to hold onto the puck and pass it. Plus, he'd totally slow them down.
Sure, but Clowe could be the 4th forward. You know, from the bench...

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12-05-2012, 04:37 PM
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MacArthur+Bozak+Colborne for Clowe+Hamilton+Abeltshauser.

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12-05-2012, 05:16 PM
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Clarke Mccarthur
Matt Frattin
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Freddie Hamilton

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12-05-2012, 05:25 PM
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MacArthur+Bozak+Colborne for Clowe+Hamilton+Abeltshauser.
Why on earth would we wan't Bozak and to give up Hamilton?

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Matt Frattin
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Freddie Hamilton

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Ditto, Hamilton isn't going to go anywhere.

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12-05-2012, 06:09 PM
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Why on earth would we wan't Bozak and to give up Hamilton?
Not to mention Abeltshauser, who is starting to look like the Sharks best prospect at D. Which is actually saying something given how many decent D prospects they have.

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12-05-2012, 07:22 PM
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what would the sharks need to add to clowe to get frattin+kulemin?

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12-06-2012, 01:38 AM
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I think Hemsky for Clowe has been discussed before...

But this is HF and Hemsky has zero value here lol.

I'll just pray for UFA lol

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12-07-2012, 03:53 AM
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Habs offer Lars Eller and a Third round pick for Clowe. He's exactly the kind of forward that Montreal could use. Big, mean, physical and willing to drop the gloves with just about anyone. Eller gives you a nice young center prospect with size and decent hands.

Habs could ice two scoring lines with Clowe:

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Clowe - Plekanec - Gionta
Bourque - Prust - Armstrong
Moen - Nokeleinan - White

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12-07-2012, 07:10 AM
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Habs offer Lars Eller and a Third round pick for Clowe. He's exactly the kind of forward that Montreal could use. Big, mean, physical and willing to drop the gloves with just about anyone. Eller gives you a nice young center prospect with size and decent hands.

Habs could ice two scoring lines with Clowe:

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Clowe - Plekanec - Gionta
Bourque - Prust - Armstrong
Moen - Nokeleinan - White
I think the value is there but unless Sharks are going for the rebuild, they won't do that. They would have already only one other natural winger in their top6, Havlat.

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12-07-2012, 07:14 AM
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Personally, I'd probably pull the trigger on a deal around Clowe and Eller. The Sharks desperately, desperately need both a #3C and secondary scoring. At this point, I'd just chuck some scrub up with Thornton/Pavelski, run Marleau-Couture-Havlat, and have an actual bottom-6. As of now the Sharks botto-6 is the worst in the league.

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12-08-2012, 06:11 PM
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Personally, I'd probably pull the trigger on a deal around Clowe and Eller. The Sharks desperately, desperately need both a #3C and secondary scoring. At this point, I'd just chuck some scrub up with Thornton/Pavelski, run Marleau-Couture-Havlat, and have an actual bottom-6. As of now the Sharks botto-6 is the worst in the league.
I'm not sure Clowe is a fit on Rangers with their continued emphasis on speed. That said, and assuming cap #s work, what about something like:

Rupp + Boyle + Rangers 3rd
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Clowe + SJ 1st (or 2nd and 4th)

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Rupp + Boyle would give you 2 of 6 guys who can fill your bottom 6.
Boyle I remember is way faster than Clowe and yikes! I'm remembering Rupp may also be, to a far lesser degree. Neither is a Kris Newbury type taking up space devoid of talent.

Clowe could ease the loss of Prust and add scoring, though I am concerned about his footspeed going forward. Or, could be a major piece in a trade for a top prospect, such as Clowe + x to Bruins for Doug Hamilton + y

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12-08-2012, 06:22 PM
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I'm not sure Clowe is a fit on Rangers with their continued emphasis on speed. That said, and assuming cap #s work, what about something like:

Rupp + Boyle + Rangers 3rd
for
Clowe + SJ 1st (or 2nd and 4th)

Rationale:
Rupp + Boyle would give you 2 of 6 guys who can fill your bottom 6.
Boyle I remember is way faster than Clowe and yikes! I'm remembering Rupp may also be, to a far lesser degree. Neither is a Kris Newbury type taking up space devoid of talent.

Clowe could ease the loss of Prust and add scoring, though I am concerned about his footspeed going forward. Or, could be a major piece in a trade for a top prospect, such as Clowe + x to Bruins for Doug Hamilton + y
Are you ******** me? The Sharks give up the best two assets in the deal?

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12-08-2012, 06:30 PM
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I'm not sure Clowe is a fit on Rangers with their continued emphasis on speed. That said, and assuming cap #s work, what about something like:

Rupp + Boyle + Rangers 3rd
for
Clowe + SJ 1st (or 2nd and 4th)

Rationale:
Rupp + Boyle would give you 2 of 6 guys who can fill your bottom 6.
Boyle I remember is way faster than Clowe and yikes! I'm remembering Rupp may also be, to a far lesser degree. Neither is a Kris Newbury type taking up space devoid of talent.

Clowe could ease the loss of Prust and add scoring, though I am concerned about his footspeed going forward. Or, could be a major piece in a trade for a top prospect, such as Clowe + x to Bruins for Doug Hamilton + y
That NYR proposal is one of the worst I've seen on here.

And Clowe certainly isn't the kind of player that can pry Hamilton out of Boston.

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12-08-2012, 06:30 PM
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I'm not sure Clowe is a fit on Rangers with their continued emphasis on speed. That said, and assuming cap #s work, what about something like:

Rupp + Boyle + Rangers 3rd
for
Clowe + SJ 1st (or 2nd and 4th)

Rationale:
Rupp + Boyle would give you 2 of 6 guys who can fill your bottom 6.
Boyle I remember is way faster than Clowe and yikes! I'm remembering Rupp may also be, to a far lesser degree. Neither is a Kris Newbury type taking up space devoid of talent.

Clowe could ease the loss of Prust and add scoring, though I am concerned about his footspeed going forward. Or, could be a major piece in a trade for a top prospect, such as Clowe + x to Bruins for Doug Hamilton + y
Rupp has no trade value. 5-point 4th liners are a dime a dozen.

Boyle has minimal value. He's a 3rd line center with size, but his skating ability and defensive capabilities aren't great. How you get that Boyle is faster than Clowe is beyond me. Handzus is arguably as good if not better (Handzus is great in the shootout), so it's not a position SJS really needs to address.

3rd rounder is basically worthless as well. Odds of a 3rd rounder becoming an NHLer are small.

So basically 3 guys who fill roles that can easily be filled internally or through free agency or through giving up non-essential assets for a 2nd line power forward and a 1st?

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12-08-2012, 06:48 PM
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Sharks have any interest in Lupul???

I'd be willing to do Lupul+ for Clowe straight up.



Then I'd be willing to give Canuck fans exactly what they deserve:

Lombardi
Connolly
Komisarek

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Luongo
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Bunch o' homers

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12-08-2012, 07:03 PM
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Rupp has no trade value. 5-point 4th liners are a dime a dozen.

Boyle has minimal value. He's a 3rd line center with size, but his skating ability and defensive capabilities aren't great. How you get that Boyle is faster than Clowe is beyond me. Handzus is arguably as good if not better (Handzus is great in the shootout), so it's not a position SJS really needs to address.

3rd rounder is basically worthless as well. Odds of a 3rd rounder becoming an NHLer are small.

So basically 3 guys who fill roles that can easily be filled internally or through free agency or through giving up non-essential assets for a 2nd line power forward and a 1st?
proposal withdrawn.
Boyle seems to have good staightaway speed; his lateral movements could be improved, but for a big guy who plays hard, not bad. His technique could be better but I am content enough with his D.

I overrated Rupp given what was said about having the worst bottom 6, but still consider him more of a plus than a minus for you guys.

However, I'm conceding to your criticism as justified since I went with an impression that Clowe doesn't have THAT great footspeed to begin with, and like everyone else, is getting slower.

While that is probably still true, I must be way off to degree given the response.

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12-08-2012, 07:12 PM
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proposal withdrawn.
Boyle seems to have good staightaway speed; his lateral movements could be improved, but for a big guy who plays hard, not bad. His technique could be better but I am content enough with his D.

I overrated Rupp given what was said about having the worst bottom 6, but still consider him more of a plus than a minus for you guys.

However, I'm conceding to your criticism as justified since I went with an impression that Clowe doesn't have THAT great footspeed to begin with, and like everyone else, is getting slower.

While that is probably still true, I must be way off to degree given the response.
Clowe is a top-6 powerforward. His footspeed doesn't change that.

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No interest in dealing Clowe... he protects Couture

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