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How would Canada U20 do against a bottom NHL team?

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12-06-2012, 12:15 PM
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make an allstar team of all players in the world junior championship and they hold their own but still lose
No they don't, they get destroyed.

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12-06-2012, 12:40 PM
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2010 Spitfires could possibly beat Columbus.

Fowler, Ellis, Hall, Henrique, etc.
Absolutely laughable. They would get killed. 7-0 or more. Maybe 7-1 if the juniors got a powerplay. Those are 17-18year old Fowler, Hall, Henrique etc. Big difference. You think the 2nd-4th lines of Windsor would be able to forecheck and cycle the puck against NHL defenders?

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What like maybe 3 of them? And that's a year after anyways.

They'd get smoked. The NHL teams would have the puck the entire time and just simply overpower the kids. Those 19 year old goalies at the WJC are always such crap too. Considering Canada is going to let in a few softies to the likes of future SEL players on Team Sweden I'm sure the NHL snipers trained in picking corners would have no problem.
remember I would say at least 40 to 60 per cent of Team Canada teams we have had in the past years go on to NHL and American Hockey league

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12-06-2012, 01:35 PM
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They'd get run over, probably several injured and it'd be 15-0

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remember I would say at least 40 to 60 per cent of Team Canada teams we have had in the past years go on to NHL and American Hockey league
The fact is at the stage in their careers when they play for Team Canada, they have not managed to crack an NHL roster. The few that do and end up getting lent to Team Canada are usually not in an impact position on the NHL roster. You have to stop thinking that all these superstars today play in the NHL, but suited up for Team Canada. They are teenagers. They lose to CIS squads which is way down the rung from NHL ability. Are you completely unaware of the difference between adult strength and teenage strength? If this wasn't an issue, you would see 20+ talented 18 year olds in the NHL each season. It doesn't happen. What more proof do you need? Aside from the Ovechkin Crosby Calder race, which coincided with both an extra development year and two extraordinary talents, what points totals do the best rookies generally need to have to win that trophy? It's probably around 50 most years and that is among 18-25 year old guys. 50 points usually isn't even good enough for a first line player. So to think a squad of any group of 19 year olds will win against pros is ridiculous.

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The only exception could be the stacked Crosby team from the last lockout, since you had a combination of both exceptionally high level of talent and with no NHL the near 20 year old's that already had their NHL rookie seasons were all on the team. The forwards may be better due to being strong down the middle but overall they'd still lose due to weakness on defense and in net.

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12-06-2012, 03:02 PM
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The only exception could be the stacked Crosby team from the last lockout, since you had a combination of both exceptionally high level of talent and with no NHL the near 20 year old's that already had their NHL rookie seasons were all on the team. The forwards may be better due to being strong down the middle but overall they'd still lose due to weakness on defense and in net.
They'd still simply be overwhelmed by the size and strength of NHL players.

Now if we start talking that 2005 teams NOW vs an NHL. That'd be fun.


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The weaknesses would be that 3rd D pairing and in goal. But if they were playing Columbus the goaltending would probably even out haha.

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The fact is at the stage in their careers when they play for Team Canada, they have not managed to crack an NHL roster. The few that do and end up getting lent to Team Canada are usually not in an impact position on the NHL roster. You have to stop thinking that all these superstars today play in the NHL, but suited up for Team Canada. They are teenagers. They lose to CIS squads which is way down the rung from NHL ability. Are you completely unaware of the difference between adult strength and teenage strength? If this wasn't an issue, you would see 20+ talented 18 year olds in the NHL each season. It doesn't happen. What more proof do you need? Aside from the Ovechkin Crosby Calder race, which coincided with both an extra development year and two extraordinary talents, what points totals do the best rookies generally need to have to win that trophy? It's probably around 50 most years and that is among 18-25 year old guys. 50 points usually isn't even good enough for a first line player. So to think a squad of any group of 19 year olds will win against pros is ridiculous.
look again, there is several 18 year olds in the NHL thats why NHL teams hold the players back from playing in the WJH which is wrong!

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12-06-2012, 03:33 PM
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look again, there is several 18 year olds in the NHL thats why NHL teams hold the players back from playing in the WJH which is wrong!
Several? There are only a couple, one or two usually each season who can play in the NHL and usually they are put in extremely sheltered positions.

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Several? There are only a couple, one or two usually each season who can play in the NHL and usually they are put in extremely sheltered positions.
ya your right not several but there are some 18 year olds in the NHL!

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ya your right not several but there are some 18 year olds in the NHL!
Yes and they are put in extremely sheltered roles just to try and get them a bit of experience. Taylor Hall at 18, or Nugent-Hopkins, Yakupov, Seguin whoever would never hold up under a consistent NHL forecheck in a game.

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NHL players are called professionals for a reason... hockey is what they do for a living.

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They'd still simply be overwhelmed by the size and strength of NHL players.

Now if we start talking that 2005 teams NOW vs an NHL. That'd be fun.


Carter-Crosby-Perry
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The weaknesses would be that 3rd D pairing and in goal. But if they were playing Columbus the goaltending would probably even out haha.
2 Leafs on that lineup, I forgot about that.

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NHL players are called professionals for a reason... hockey is what they do for a living.
all I meant in this thread was at the beginning was would all the top juniors in Canada could beat a last place NHL team? ,
I'm not saying the average junior player or team could beat a last place NHL team! just the top junior players but I guess I stand corrected!

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You know only a select few can go from CHL to NHL. It would be better to discuss how the U20 team might do against an AHL team.

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They would get utterly smashed.

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You know only a select few can go from CHL to NHL. It would be better to discuss how the U20 team might do against an AHL team.
Aren't they already playing in OKC for the Barons?

To answer the OP... they would lose, for the same reason that (arguably) 2 of the top6 U20 players in Canada (Hall, RNH) aren't yet enough to make an NHL team competitive.

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05 Knights vs Columbus?

Remember, that was the best junior team in history. If they couldn't win an NHL game, nobody could.

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Another vote for "they'd get annihilated."

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05 Knights vs Columbus?

Remember, that was the best junior team in history. If they couldn't win an NHL game, nobody could.
I highly doubt the 05 Knights would have beaten the World Junior team, so this is even worse.

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This is honestly the worst thread ever. How is it even a legitimate question?

If you have to ask you need to watch more hockey.

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This is honestly the worst thread ever. How is it even a legitimate question?

If you have to ask you need to watch more hockey.
This. They wouldn't stand a chance against any NHL team.

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The U20 team would get clowned pretty hard by an NHL team.

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I don't think there would be as much disparity as everyone here seems to think. Having said that, it's not just the size and strength of the NHL clubs, it's their attention to detail and all the little tricks of the trade you pick up after being in the big league for a few years.

It's too bad we'll never get a chance to find out.

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