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12-06-2012, 05:52 PM
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lol, you think? that's twice as favorable for the players as the current rules.
No, currently the year-to-year drop couldn't be more than 50%. They're proposing that the lowest point has to be at least 25% of the highest. It is a movement closer.

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Daly and Batterman taking this proposal back to owners

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this sounds a lot better than it appeared 40 minutes ago when Daly left the building hurriedly

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Donald Fehr: "But for any transition issues which we need to discuss, we think there is a complete agreement on dollars." #CBA

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I don't think the NHL ever expected the players to agree to 5 year limits. Likewise, I don't think the PA expects the NHL to accept 8. Just posturing.
I can't for the life of me figure out how the owners would allow the season to be canceled instead of taking the 8 year offer. This would basically ensure that no team would have a star player locked up past age 35 or 36, assuming the max contract was given when the player hit UFA status at 27. It's totally reasonable for both sides imo.

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6 or 7 years is what it's going to come down to, obviously

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Players there are going to hang around a little to see if the NHL wants to respond tonight.

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So it turns out Daly stomping off was to give the proposal to Bettman and the owners?

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this sounds a lot better than it appeared 40 minutes ago when Daly left the building hurriedly
Maybe he was excited?!

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12-06-2012, 05:55 PM
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lol, you think? that's twice as favorable for the players as the current rules.
Not when it's combined with the 8 year limit. Basically, it prevents the type of variance after 5 years that would be avoided with the NHLs 5% rule

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I can't for the life of me figure out how the owners would allow the season to be canceled instead of taking the 8 year offer.
They wouldn't. But they know the players won't cancel the season over a difference of three years on term limits, either, so they're going to try to get the best deal out of them.

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So it turns out Daly stomping off was to give the proposal to Bettman and the owners?
Yes.

Players are gona hang around for a little to see if NHL responds tonight.

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"players have gone a very long way."

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Don Fehr: "The players have gone a very, very long way. ... The players have done far and away the lion's share."

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Donald Fehr also mentioned that the pension will be paid for out of the players' share. Big deal is that the dollars have been agreed upon

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You gotta be careful. The NHL and NHLPA have never done the same math.


Fehr says he is out of the expectations and predictions game. In response to reporter's question if it is possible to have a deal tomorrow, Fehr says 'that sure would be nice.'

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12-06-2012, 05:57 PM
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Still expecting when Bettman comes to talk, if Bettman comes to talk, that he'll speak about how the league and players continue to speak different languages.

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Fehr says he is out of the expectations and predictions game. In response to reporter's question if it is possible to have a deal tomorrow, Fehr says 'that sure would be nice.'
Make it tonight. Talk all freaking night.

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He won't make a prediction on when a settlement could happen but admits it could happen soon

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Fehr: "If we can get a positive response and conclude this, hopefully it doesn’t take long (to play hockey again)."

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Don Fehr made things sound pretty good there. The key is if the NHL thinks the NHLPA's offer is as good as Fehr says.

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No BS from Don Fehr. Major moves by PA. We have to wait to hear from NHL, but this is a huge step toward an agreement. Got to get it done.

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When Fehr says he thinks there's agreement on total dollars, that includes accepting NHL's Make Whole offer he says

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Fehr on whether there could be a deal tomorrow: “Sure would be nice.”


I thought Fehr was stern and professional in the presser imo.

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not sure why the NHLPA needed to call a mediator after hearing this proposal. so many league got too worked up over that this afternoon


Fehr does not characterize these talks as breaking off, not in the slightest. Fehr says the NHL provided people that were there to receive a proposal. Fehr continued to joke with reporters about eating dinner tonight and how to characterize the talks. He seemed in good spirits in that regard. Fehr has clearly, just by the presser, has put the ball in Bettman/NHL's court. Now it's time for the reporters to go to NHL offices for answers.

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Half of these CBA negotiations have been a debate over Math or English.

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The more he talks the more it means there is no agreement. He is trying to justify his side, so when owners reject, don't blame us.

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This...

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Don Fehr paints a picture that the sides being very close yet the @nhlpa was requesting mediation as recently as this aft. #confused
https://twitter.com/darenmillard/sta...37932285956096

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No, currently the year-to-year drop couldn't be more than 50%. They're proposing that the lowest point has to be at least 25% of the highest. It is a movement closer.
Gotcha...didn't catch "of the highest." So basically they could still start the deal at 8 and end it at 2. I still see room for trickery there. A team could still do a 10/9/8/8/7/7/6/6/5/4/2.5/2.5 type 12 year deal with a couple fake years at the end...just like now. I think the league will push hard for a hard maximum deviation per year requirement (say 10%) as opposed to merely a start to end variance limitation.

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He won't make a prediction on when a settlement could happen but admits it could happen soon

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Fehr: "If we can get a positive response and conclude this, hopefully it doesn’t take long (to play hockey again)."

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Don Fehr made things sound pretty good there. The key is if the NHL thinks the NHLPA's offer is as good as Fehr says.

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No BS from Don Fehr. Major moves by PA. We have to wait to hear from NHL, but this is a huge step toward an agreement. Got to get it done.

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When Fehr says he thinks there's agreement on total dollars, that includes accepting NHL's Make Whole offer he says

Jesse Spector ‏@jessespector
Fehr on whether there could be a deal tomorrow: “Sure would be nice.”


I thought Fehr was stern and professional in the presser imo.

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN
not sure why the NHLPA needed to call a mediator after hearing this proposal. so many league got too worked up over that this afternoon
Color me a skeptic, but I'm smelling set up here. Hope I'm wrong.

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Gotcha...didn't catch "of the highest." So basically they could still start the deal at 8 and end it at 2. I still see room for trickery there. A team could still do a 10/9/8/8/7/7/6/6/5/4/2.5/2.5 type 12 year deal with a couple fake years at the end...just like now. I think the league will push hard for a hard maximum deviation per year requirement (say 10%) as opposed to merely a start to end variance limitation.
They also proposed an 8 year limit though. Still things the finished product will be tighter.

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Gotcha...didn't catch "of the highest." So basically they could still start the deal at 8 and end it at 2. I still see room for trickery there. A team could still do a 10/9/8/8/7/7/6/6/5/4/2.5/2.5 type 12 year deal with a couple fake years at the end...just like now. I think the league will push hard for a hard maximum deviation per year requirement (say 10%) as opposed to merely a start to end variance limitation.
Still an 8 year max. And I read it as having to be WITHIN 25%. Which means the lowest amount would be 75% of the highest.

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Color me a skeptic, but I'm smelling set up here. Hope I'm wrong.
I'm just as skeptical. To me its either two things, 1) truth or 2) one sided view that is setting up the NHL to look like the bad guy if they respond very negatively.

Fehr did seem respectful of the discussions and refused to comment on the NHL side of it.

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So let's get this straight. the nhl and nhlpa agree on the dollars. they agree on free agency and player rights...right now the only things they disagree on are how long a max contract can be (5 years vs 8 years) and how long the CBA should be (8 years vs 10 years)

Seriously.....THIS is what's holding up a deal? wtf is wrong with these people?

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Still an 8 year max. And I read it as having to be WITHIN 25%. Which means the lowest amount would be 75% of the highest.
That would be more than fair. I haven't seen a source use the word within, however.

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Fehr is back at the podium.

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So let's get this straight. the nhl and nhlpa agree on the dollars. they agree on free agency and player rights...right now the only things they disagree on are how long a max contract can be (5 years vs 8 years) and how long the CBA should be (8 years vs 10 years)

Seriously.....THIS is what's holding up a deal? wtf is wrong with these people?
We don't know that they agree on the dollars. Fehr says that but him and Bettman have very different calculators.

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