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12-06-2012, 06:48 PM
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The NHL wasn't going to accept the NHLPA's proposal as is. The PA doesn't accept the NHL's proposal as is. It doesn't work that way. The NHL wants 5 and 7. The PA PROPOSED 8 years. They can't find a compromise there?

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What a ****ing joke. **** all of them POSs.

Enough is enough. The dog and pony show went on for months and it's too late in the game to be playing chess matches on trying to see who blinks. It's December 6th already. Get a God damn deal done.

I dislike the man, but please for the of God, let Dolan in the meetings!!
I'm beginning to think that Dolan is the only owner who wants to play.

He doesn't care how the sides settle. He'll just adjust his P&L and raise tix prices to offset any shortfall in profits.

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The NHL wasn't going to accept the NHLPA's proposal as is. The PA doesn't accept the NHL's proposal as is. It doesn't work that way. The NHL wants 5 and 7. The PA PROPOSED 8 years. They can't find a compromise there?
Are you sure that's the issue?

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The NHL wasn't going to accept the NHLPA's proposal as is. The PA doesn't accept the NHL's proposal as is. It doesn't work that way. The NHL wants 5 and 7. The PA PROPOSED 8 years. They can't find a compromise there?
Bettman speaking now.

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The NHL wasn't going to accept the NHLPA's proposal as is. The PA doesn't accept the NHL's proposal as is. It doesn't work that way. The NHL wants 5 and 7. The PA PROPOSED 8 years. They can't find a compromise there?
true, the immediate rejection was bad form though. no matter how pissed they might have been, keeping it in their pants and coming back the next day and saying "****'s not gonna fly, we need to keep working" would have been the adult thing to do

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12-06-2012, 06:51 PM
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I've spent a combine 7 minutes following anything hockey related since this garbage began. The only thing worthwhile is hearing all these now retired 1995 and 2004 lockout jagoffs go public with their weekly "the players should take the offer" BS.

Soft, fruitiness of the highest order. Solidarity one minute, appeasement the next.

Prepping for future FO jobs while stabbing their "brothers" in the back.

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Bettman speaking now.
Who wants to look at his ugly face?

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Who wants to look at his ugly face?
I'm listening, not watching. I don't want to see that frail man stand at the podium.

Bettman and owners just don't get it. They expect the players to make every concession. They don't understand when players will only agree to certain concessions and not all. It's their way or the highway and that's wrong. There is not much compromise.

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12-06-2012, 06:55 PM
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Bettman is furious right now.

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN
bettman said the key element was "make whole" in past talks . bettman is very upset at this presser

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN
says the owners gave up on contractual rights and that the union added the pension plan as "the key element"

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN
says he expected a YES or NO answer to their proposal after givebacks on pension

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC
If answer was no, no need to continue discussions. Answer wasn't yes.


As usual the response from bettman is to shutdown talks. There is no compromise. There is only an acceptable yes or no.

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I guess this is what they call hardball.

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I think I finally gave up on defending Bettman.

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12-06-2012, 06:57 PM
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Bettman says owners pressured him on make whole but he refused. Remember that, people who keep insisting he's just a messenger in all this.

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Is Bettman clueless? He really expected a yes or no? I've had a lot more respect for him than most people on the board. Now he's just coming across as an idiot.

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Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN
says "last time the union said we were close we were a billion dollars apart."

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN
says the league will take a "deep breath" and look back and see where they go."I am disappointed beyond belief where we are tonight"

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Bettman says EVERYTHING the NHL added to the deal this week is now OFF the table ...

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Bettman looked visibly angry at this presser

Chris Johnston ‏@reporterchris
Gary Bettman is livid. "Sometimes you feel like you're chasing your tail in this process."

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12-06-2012, 06:58 PM
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stevezipay: Daly: We walked away from free agency, entry level, arbitration. Term limit of deal, limit of player contract important..


They do have a point.

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^^^ they only have a point because they started at a ridiculous position. You don't get points for moving from a terrible offer

Meh, cry about it Bettman. The NHL has gotten 90% of all the stuff it wanted but it just wants that extra bit

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Was Burkle and Vinik still involved in todays discussions?

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A league source says the next stop is a "drop dead" while #NHLPA decides on decertification. Party is over. #Sens

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Daly is going through the NHL offer ...

Joe Haggerty ‏@HackswithHaggs
Gary Bettman: "[NHL] owners were beside themselves. Some of them I've never seen so emotional. [They] told me the process is over."


Bettman doing is best act to make himself look like the good guys to the press and union by saying he disagreed with owners requests to remove the make whole program.

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12-06-2012, 07:00 PM
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Daly says five-year player contract limits hugely important to NHL, as is 10-year CBA term


So give them 7 year max contract and have them accept 10 year agreement.

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12-06-2012, 07:00 PM
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Bettman says EVERYTHING the NHL added to the deal this week is now OFF the table ...
Yup.

Thats how you negotiate all right.

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stevezipay: Daly: We walked away from free agency, entry level, arbitration. Term limit of deal, limit of player contract important..


They do have a point.
They didn't make a single concession on those things though. It just remains the same. On the other hand I don't understand why the NHLPA even wants a shorter CBA.

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Daly calls term limits of player contracts "the hill we will die on" ..... OH BOY

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12-06-2012, 07:02 PM
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Well I hope all the owners will be happy to lose a season and all that entails because they can't be assed to actually negotiate and instead throw fits like little babies

"oh no they didn't accept our offer without modifications I'm so upset I'm gonna start crying and take my ball and go home waaah"

I never knew billionaires were so sensitive and needy

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Yup.

Thats how you negotiate all right.
Not only that, but every step of this negotiation has proven him wrong, despite saying that multiple times.

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“@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Daly says term limit on player contracts is so important to league it's "the hill we'll die on."”

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