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In the never ending saga of concussions (See post #598)

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http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2012/07...-released.html

Junior Seau's family donates his brain tissue for research.

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Dominic Moore leads charity ping pong tournament (with lots of NHL players participating). Raised $20,000 for concussion research.

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Taking part were 18 current and former NHLers, headlined by Steven Stamkos, Vinny Lecavalier, Eric Lindros and Jason Spezza. Several others, like Claude Giroux, were in attendance as spectators.

All involved spoke to the need for more research and awareness about hits to the head in a sign that players are taking up the fight against concussions more than ever.

“I know this has been a big issue in the media over the past few years, but it’s been an even bigger one among the players,” said Mathieu Schneider, a former player and current NHLPA executive. “We’ve lost a lot of friends from the game to concussions.”

“When Mooresy asked me to be a part of this, it was a no-brainer, no pun intended,” Stamkos said. “It’s a very important issue in our game. We want to learn as much as we can about it and raise awareness starting in youth hockey and up to the pro ranks.”

While Moore himself hasn’t suffered a concussion, he has become familiar with the effects of them from his brother, Steve, who was tackled from behind ....

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Let's call it by it's real name: Mild Traumatic Brain Injury

Concussion just does not seem to do this injury justice. mTBI is a more accurate descriptor.

http://www.neuroskills.com/brain-inj...y-overview.php

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The brain stem is located at the base of the brain. Aside from regulating basic arousal and regulatory functions, the brain stem is involved in attention and short-term memory. Trauma to this area can lead to disorientation, frustration, and anger. The limbic system, higher up in the brain than the brain stem, helps regulate emotions. Connected to the limbic system are the temporal lobes which are involved in many cognitive skills such as memory and language. Damage to the temporal lobes, or seizures in this area, have been associated with a number of behavioral disorders. The frontal lobe is almost always injured due to its large size and its location near the front of the cranium. The frontal lobe is involved in many cognitive functions and is considered our emotional and personal control center. Damage to this area can result in decreased judgement and increased impulsivity.
I can think of a couple of players who changed post concussion. I don't think you have to be a doctor to see this.

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Not that I like the idea, I actually fringe at the thought, but the only way the concussion problem will be mostly fixed is to outlaw all physical contact and slow the game way, way down. Helmets only do so much (actually little) since a lot of concussions come from the violent motion of the head. Helmets dont keep the brain in place inside of your skull, sorry to say.

For pro athletes, your getting paid to play a god damned sport. Suck it up, it cant be all roses and butterflies when you make it to the show. Dont see to many non sport related concussions getting time in the news. When was the last time you saw a construction worker making the front page for getting a concussion? Everyone is at risk for a damned concussion or any injury. Its part of being human. Tired of hearing about this crap in every contact sport. Non playing fans should not have to bear the concussion problems.Keep it out of the damned news. Only thing that needs to be said is when a player gets concussed and how long he will be out. Most fans dont give a rats ass about a players hardship off the ice.


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You play contact sport, concussions will happen. You can try preventing it aka less contact to the heads. But even without it they will happen. Most concussions in the NHL for example happen with no contact to the heads. It's a matter of are we willing to live with it or abolish every contacts?

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Right away, there was speculation about how Ludzik wound up with Parkinson's, which can be genetic but is almost certainly in Ludzik's case due to the scores of hits to the head he absorbed in decades of playing hockey.
That's ridiculous. One player out of thousands gets Parkinson's in his 40's and it's "certainly" due to hockey?

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...&dlvrit=206567

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[A] first-ever government study finds retired football players are three to four times more likely to die from diseases of the brain compared with the general population...
The findings come from a new analysis of a 1994 study by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health on 3,439 former players (1959-1988) with at least five seasons in the NFL and add to a growing body of research detailing the harmful effects contact sports and repeated head bashing can have on the brain.
Researchers reviewed mortality causes on death certificates for neurodegenerative disorders including Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), and also also looked for signs of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). CTE is not defined as a cause of death, but it can be mistaken for Alzheimer's, the authors write. For decades, experts have known CTE takes a toll in boxing, but discoveries since the 1994 report also link it to other sports. The study is published in Neurology, the journal of the American Academy of Neurology.

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That's ridiculous. One player out of thousands gets Parkinson's in his 40's and it's "certainly" due to hockey?
How is this ridiculous? He may or may not be more genetically susceptible to Parkinson's, it is known that hits to the head increase your odds of getting it, hockey is where this man received hits to the head. That post doesn't say play hockey and get Parkinson's.

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How is this ridiculous? He may or may not be more genetically susceptible to Parkinson's, it is known that hits to the head increase your odds of getting it, hockey is where this man received hits to the head. That post doesn't say play hockey and get Parkinson's.
No it doesn't say it, but it does seem to infer it.

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jessespector 1:22pm via dlvr.it NHL concussions: As junior leagues adapt, documentary could move needle http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/stor...n=jessespector

Hopefully in a positive direction

"It shouldn’t be normal to have brain injuries in sport, and we have to appreciate how destructive this disease is.”

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http://www.tsn.ca/chl/story/?id=405652
OHL will be suspending any players who have more than 10 fighting majors in a season.



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Reuters looks at the "Head Games" documentary (see also above post)

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LeBrun: NHL will be keeping eye on new OHL fighting rule

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Local story of high school QB forced to "retire" due to concussions.

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NHLPA co-sponsored video on concussions, hosted by Eric Lindros.

How to recognize concussions, what to do (get off the ice, seek medical treatment)

"When in doubt, sit it out"

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21 months and Savard still battling concussion symptoms.

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USA Hockey releases conconssion prevention/awareness vids


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chrismpeters 9:53am via Web It appears the OHL's new fighting rules are working for the most part in this early stage. Color me impressed ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey…



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Concussion questions? Hockey Canada has an app for that http://t.co/5KBtCG9G

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Dr. Michael Cusimano Neurosurgery at St. Michael's Hospital (Toronto) was on HTM @SiriusXmNHL Tuesday talking about a systematic review on the Effectiveness of interventions to reduce aggression and injuries among ice hockey players.

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Concussions an Issue?

Are concussions a big enough issue that helmet manufacturers should step in? Is there a large enough demand for the reinvention of the standard hockey helmet? I mean the companies do put out small attempts to solve problems, but no helmet has been revolutionary or industry-changing. I'm furious about this issue, due to my 3 concussions to date, leaving me with symptoms for a long time.

Let me know what you think!

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Are concussions a big enough issue that helmet manufacturers should step in? Is there a large enough demand for the reinvention of the standard hockey helmet? I mean the companies do put out small attempts to solve problems, but no helmet has been revolutionary or industry-changing. I'm furious about this issue, due to my 3 concussions to date, leaving me with symptoms for a long time.

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I believe Mark Messier's come out with a new line of helmets, launched 2 or 3yrs ago that purportedly do offer considerably more protection than those that were or are currently available from various manufacturers. And no mistake, this is a very serious issue, as post concussion syndrome can be an incredibly debilitating & life altering condition with extremely grave consequences for those affected by it.... and my sympathies to you & yours. Cant be an easy thing to deal with almost every waking minute. Beyond sad really.

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@Killion "I believe Mark Messier's come out with a new line of helmets, launched 2 or 3yrs ago that purportedly do offer considerably more protection than those that were or are currently available from various manufacturers. And no mistake, this is a very serious issue, as post concussion syndrome can be an incredibly debilitating & life altering condition with extremely grave consequences for those affected by it.... and my sympathies to you & yours. Cant be an easy thing to deal with almost every waking minute. Beyond sad really."

Thanks a lot and yeah I agree. Except, I was once told that the Messier helmet is actually one of the helmets on the market that is said to reduce concussions, however it is like any other helmet today. Its too bad; I guess no one has really found the solution yet.

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Pretty complicated & complex issue. Though it speeded up the game a lot, the removal of the centre ice red line created a real killing zone between the two blue lines, even more steam on the rush, and you get a guy who knows how to hit playing defence at the top of the hash marks and concussions are just gonna happen. Better helmets, soft capped shoulder & elbow pads & sadly, the reintroduction of the centre ice red line should in my opinion be implemented & mandated. No game is worth someones life.

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@Killion "I believe Mark Messier's come out with a new line of helmets, launched 2 or 3yrs ago that purportedly do offer considerably more protection than those that were or are currently available from various manufacturers. And no mistake, this is a very serious issue, as post concussion syndrome can be an incredibly debilitating & life altering condition with extremely grave consequences for those affected by it.... and my sympathies to you & yours. Cant be an easy thing to deal with almost every waking minute. Beyond sad really."

Thanks a lot and yeah I agree. Except, I was once told that the Messier helmet is actually one of the helmets on the market that is said to reduce concussions, however it is like any other helmet today. Its too bad; I guess no one has really found the solution yet.
There is no helmet capable of reducing concussions as no helmet can stop the brain from hitting against the inner walls of the skull during a high impact collision.

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There is no helmet capable of reducing concussions as no helmet can stop the brain from hitting against the inner walls of the skull during a high impact collision.
Yep. The main way to reduce concussions is to reduce sudden stops and starts. Sudden acceleration and deceleration of the brain is just bad for the brain.

Helmets are great for preventing skull fractures, but of limited value in preventing concussions.

It also seems that side-to-side acceleration and whipping the head back are especially problematic. Race car drivers wear head and neck restraint systems.

Crazy idea, but could players wear some sort of neck restraint that prevents the whiplash effect and maybe even limits side to side movement?

Ideally the system would allow full movement and activate or stiffen when it senses sudden acceleration.

Another crazy idea. Neck and helmet airbags that deploy on big impacts. Holds the neck in place, prevents whiplash, and cushions impact.

Probably silly, unworkable ideas. Ah well. Unfortunately, the best way to limit concussions is probably to slow the game down and severely limit hard checking.

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