HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Central Division > Dallas Stars
Notices

The Hockey World Turns Up the Heat V

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-06-2012, 09:32 PM
  #501
Karitimes
JetsJetsJets
 
Karitimes's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: NS
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,104
vCash: 500
They will play in January like Gretzky said a couple months ago.

Hilarious, watching the TSN live stream of Fehr and the player's presser tonight and all you can see in the feed is 3 mugs I'm getting sick of seeing. Crosby left, Fehr front and centre, and our buddy Richards to the right.

Go figure, Crosby signs the 12 year extension and Richards was the highest paid in the game last year. Wonder if they have a vested interest in this? As a Maritimer I'm embarrassed by their greed considering how humble of roots these clowns came from. Guess they're just bigger than the game and it's history at this point. Who cares I guess, it's not about the fans, we'll be back like Gary said when this all began...you know cuz we're the best fans in the world and all.

Get ****ed both sides. Pathetic.

Karitimes is offline  
Old
12-06-2012, 09:39 PM
  #502
glovesave_35
Name
 
glovesave_35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: South Korea
Country: United States
Posts: 12,850
vCash: 250
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cin View Post
So much media spin, that I have no idea who's even telling the truth now.

Players want more money and guarantees in a struggling league, in a country where the sport isn't even #5 now.

Owners want to pay players less and less, get sponsors happy, and dictate everything.

Where the **** does it begin and where the **** does it end?

Do any of you ****ing ****** understand that the people who even pay for any of this **** are going without the game? WE pay your salaries, WE pay for your ****ing stadiums, WE buy your merchandise, and WE follow you like a ****ing religion.

Get ****ed NHL. Get ****ed. All of you involved. Get ****ed.
Obviously, I know where you're coming from. Thing is, the diehards will come back no matter what. In the big scheme of things, these lockouts hurt their ability to grow the fanbase among casual fans but that's not really who they count on to make the majority of their revenue base.

What I'm saying is, as far as business goes they actually can say "**** the fans" because hockey fans immediately rush back with open arms as soon as they can. Maybe if some major teams with awesome attendance, i.e. Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, etc. were to be empty for a few games due to fan boycott or something the league wouldn't be able to take their revenue base for granted.

glovesave_35 is offline  
Old
12-06-2012, 09:40 PM
  #503
FrailSwan
ExplodeForEkblad
 
FrailSwan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Dallas
Country: United States
Posts: 2,646
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cin View Post
All hail the holy Bettman?
Bettman's no saint. But if you seriously think Fehr is the savior of the players, then you are sorely mistaken. Perhaps you didn't hear the presser's today?

How the **** do you meet with Daly for an extended period, come out to a press conference, say a deal is within reach with multiple agreements, walk off, come back twenty minutes later, and say they reject everything? Fehr plays a bad strategy.

I'm no Bettman lover, but his rager today showed more passion and a twinkle of trust that you will never find in Fehr. The greatest Union leader of all time. The greatest spin doctor in the biz. I support the majority of the players. Just not the select few who follow Fehr blindly, thinking he is doing their bidding. He's playing off his own rulebook. And he's costing the majority of the players dearly.

FrailSwan is online now  
Old
12-06-2012, 09:42 PM
  #504
glovesave_35
Name
 
glovesave_35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: South Korea
Country: United States
Posts: 12,850
vCash: 250
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karitimes View Post
Go figure, Crosby signs the 12 year extension and Richards was the highest paid in the game last year. Wonder if they have a vested interest in this? As a Maritimer I'm embarrassed by their greed considering how humble of roots these clowns came from. Guess they're just bigger than the game and it's history at this point.
There's plenty of greed to go around. Neither Crosby nor Richards would be signed to such big money contracts if their owners didn't see it as an investment on future revenue. It's not like they just gave those contracts to them out of the goodness of their hearts - they're expecting to see profits from them at some point.

glovesave_35 is offline  
Old
12-06-2012, 09:47 PM
  #505
FrailSwan
ExplodeForEkblad
 
FrailSwan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Dallas
Country: United States
Posts: 2,646
vCash: 500
Here's how I see it: BOTH sides are to blame for this mess.

Bettman and his crew gets blamed for the start of the lockout for giving the players a **** CBA offer that he knew would go up.

But Fehr this last half because of his dangerous strategy and spinning that is costing the players, and now the fans.

FrailSwan is online now  
Old
12-06-2012, 10:39 PM
  #506
Cin
Buck Fettman.
 
Cin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Country: Thailand
Posts: 6,135
vCash: 513
Quote:
Originally Posted by glovesave_35 View Post
Obviously, I know where you're coming from. Thing is, the diehards will come back no matter what. In the big scheme of things, these lockouts hurt their ability to grow the fanbase among casual fans but that's not really who they count on to make the majority of their revenue base.

What I'm saying is, as far as business goes they actually can say "**** the fans" because hockey fans immediately rush back with open arms as soon as they can. Maybe if some major teams with awesome attendance, i.e. Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, etc. were to be empty for a few games due to fan boycott or something the league wouldn't be able to take their revenue base for granted.
We're on the same page. I want the game to grow and they just keep crippling it more and more each day.

Cin is offline  
Old
12-06-2012, 10:46 PM
  #507
Cin
Buck Fettman.
 
Cin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Country: Thailand
Posts: 6,135
vCash: 513
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrailSwan View Post
Bettman's no saint. But if you seriously think Fehr is the savior of the players, then you are sorely mistaken. Perhaps you didn't hear the presser's today?

How the **** do you meet with Daly for an extended period, come out to a press conference, say a deal is within reach with multiple agreements, walk off, come back twenty minutes later, and say they reject everything? Fehr plays a bad strategy.

I'm no Bettman lover, but his rager today showed more passion and a twinkle of trust that you will never find in Fehr. The greatest Union leader of all time. The greatest spin doctor in the biz. I support the majority of the players. Just not the select few who follow Fehr blindly, thinking he is doing their bidding. He's playing off his own rulebook. And he's costing the majority of the players dearly.
I'm not sure if you can read, or perhaps you just refuse to credit any of what I say.

I don't think you can quote anywhere in this thread where I've put my faith in Fehr, Bettman, God, the Easter Bunny, or even my dog.

My last posts are in direct response to... The press conference. You know the thing you suggested I didn't see today all over twitter, facebook, TSN, and HF.

You claim Bettman was raging? All of you 'fans' seem to claim he was raging? Looked like the same person I've been watching for years. This time he had some body language to add to the ******** spewing out of his mouth. Your opinions are formed by what the media tells you to think, and it's quite obvious.

Perhaps you should read my posts, and then respond. Not blindly throw accusations out and hope that they stick.

Cin is offline  
Old
12-06-2012, 10:54 PM
  #508
FrailSwan
ExplodeForEkblad
 
FrailSwan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Dallas
Country: United States
Posts: 2,646
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cin View Post
I'm not sure if you can read, or perhaps you just refuse to credit any of what I say.

I don't think you can quote anywhere in this thread where I've put my faith in Fehr, Bettman, God, the Easter Bunny, or even my dog.

My last posts are in direct response to... The press conference. You know the thing you suggested I didn't see today all over twitter, facebook, TSN, and HF.

You claim Bettman was raging? All of you 'fans' seem to claim he was raging? Looked like the same person I've been watching for years. This time he had some body language to add to the ******** spewing out of his mouth. Your opinions are formed by what the media tells you to think, and it's quite obvious.

Perhaps you should read my posts, and then respond. Not blindly throw accusations out and hope that they stick.
Now it's time for you to read because I sad "if" when it came to you putting faith in Fehr, not that you "did".

That's hilarious that you know where my thoughts are coming from. I've watched every single one of Bettman's press conferences during this entire CBA frenzy and never did he come off as disturbed as he did today. So don't act like you know why I think what I do. Just because I agree with SOME of the media and a bunch of people, doesn't mean they are the reason I'm believing something. I learn to think for myself.

Quote:
Perhaps you didn't hear the presser's today?
Maybe you thought I had a certain tone with this? Maybe you thought I had a certain tone with all of this. I was simply responding and asking you a question. I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything. Man, you sure get heated though. Cool the jets, man. This isn't about accusing each other. It's giving out viewpoints and discussing them.


Last edited by FrailSwan: 12-06-2012 at 11:10 PM.
FrailSwan is online now  
Old
12-06-2012, 11:10 PM
  #509
Cin
Buck Fettman.
 
Cin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Country: Thailand
Posts: 6,135
vCash: 513
Yeahhhh buddy.

Cin is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 09:27 AM
  #510
MetalGodAOD
Moderator
Star Rangers
 
MetalGodAOD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: New York City
Country: United States
Posts: 10,852
vCash: 500

MetalGodAOD is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 09:32 AM
  #511
Hegemon21
Registered User
 
Hegemon21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: McKinney, TX
Country: United States
Posts: 100
vCash: 500
Fehr stabbed a guy in the heart with a trident...

Hegemon21 is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 10:20 AM
  #512
Frozen Failure
Best Threadkiller
 
Frozen Failure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Richardson, TX
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,157
vCash: 2111
Send a message via AIM to Frozen Failure Send a message via Yahoo to Frozen Failure
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hegemon21 View Post
Fehr stabbed a guy in the heart with a trident...
Where did Fehr get a grenade?

Frozen Failure is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 12:20 PM
  #513
Karitimes
JetsJetsJets
 
Karitimes's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: NS
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,104
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by glovesave_35 View Post
There's plenty of greed to go around. Neither Crosby nor Richards would be signed to such big money contracts if their owners didn't see it as an investment on future revenue. It's not like they just gave those contracts to them out of the goodness of their hearts - they're expecting to see profits from them at some point.
100% see your point, but I don't see how Mr. Owner in Nashville gets a return on Weber though he was forced into the deal. And I bet 30 out of 30 GMs take Weber over Richards. The systems stinks and it only benefits one third of the teams that can actually profit under the past CBA.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karitimes View Post
Get ****ed both sides. Pathetic.
GM's and agent included.

Karitimes is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 12:38 PM
  #514
Ambassador Of Fun
Registered User
 
Ambassador Of Fun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,213
vCash: 500
The way I see the fans' reaction to this whole thing is that most people just want their hockey back. The easiest and most likely way for that to happen as quick as possible is for the players to just cave to whatever the owners want and then they can just start watching hockey again. It has nothing to do with fair or not, or right or wrong, it has to do with getting what they want, when they want it.

I just find it really interesting that all these people on this site are siding with "The Man".

My thoughts on the actual lockout is that the owners are just railroading the players. In 2004, the owners got everything they wanted. They got 24% of salary back and they got their salary cap. Players "won" unlimited free agent rights (which they already had).

This time around, the owners are just going back to get everything they didn't get the last time. They want to go from 57/43 to 50/50 AND they want to limit players free agent rights. And what do the owners want give to the players to get that? You get a hotel room to yourself on the road if you've been in the league long enough...

So in general I'm on the players side of the negotiation, but I think they have royally ****ed up the PR battle. Fehr yesterday being front and center of that. Couple that with not "negotiating" until mid-September and I am equally as pissed at both sides.

Ambassador Of Fun is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 01:04 PM
  #515
FrailSwan
ExplodeForEkblad
 
FrailSwan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Dallas
Country: United States
Posts: 2,646
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karitimes View Post
GM's and agent included.
Walsh is the worst when it comes to agents.

FrailSwan is online now  
Old
12-09-2012, 07:19 PM
  #516
Karitimes
JetsJetsJets
 
Karitimes's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: NS
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,104
vCash: 500
Just finished watching OKC vs San Antonio. 3-2 Rampage. Surprising that OKC lost it's 4th consecutive.

Karitimes is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 11:43 PM
  #517
LatvianTwist
Global Moderator
Milana <3
 
LatvianTwist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Houston
Country: Tibet
Posts: 17,598
vCash: 157
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karitimes View Post
Just finished watching OKC vs San Antonio. 3-2 Rampage. Surprising that OKC lost it's 4th consecutive.
To think that some people legitimately thought that team would go 82-0.

LatvianTwist is offline  
Old
01-07-2013, 08:24 AM
  #518
Stars99Lobo37
Moderator
Away Games Seen: 13
 
Stars99Lobo37's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sec 315 - Richardson
Country: United States
Posts: 42,916
vCash: 1495
Completely forgot Lidstrom had retired....now Holmstrom expected to announce his retirement soon.

__________________
"Now when people ask me where I'm from, I tell them Texas. Dallas, Texas." - Mike Modano, March 8th, 2014

Bossier-Shreveport Mudbugs - 1997 to 2011 - WPHL Champions 1998, 1999, 2000 - CHL Champions 2011
Stars99Lobo37 is online now  
Old
01-07-2013, 10:58 AM
  #519
starsfan24
#17 "Keep Rollin"
 
starsfan24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Denton, TX - UNT
Country: United States
Posts: 15,826
vCash: 995
Detroit is so old.

starsfan24 is offline  
Old
01-07-2013, 02:18 PM
  #520
LatvianTwist
Global Moderator
Milana <3
 
LatvianTwist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Houston
Country: Tibet
Posts: 17,598
vCash: 157
They'll be fine. Still a competitive team and by the time Datsyuk, Z, Kronwall, etc. are set to retire, their new guys will be more than ready to take over.

Detroit's always gonna be competitive until after Holland and co. are gone.

LatvianTwist is offline  
Old
01-08-2013, 04:30 PM
  #521
Stars99Lobo37
Moderator
Away Games Seen: 13
 
Stars99Lobo37's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sec 315 - Richardson
Country: United States
Posts: 42,916
vCash: 1495
Not that it's a big shock or anything but Kings trying to trade Bernier...

Quote:
Last season, and over the summer, Kings GM Dean Lombardi tried to trade goaltender Jonathan Bernier, but came up empty.
Click to learn more...

It's believed Lombardi will revisit trade scenarios with several teams in the coming days, with the NHL poised to ratify the new Collective Bargaining Agreement tomorrow -- the NHLPA will begin the process of ratifying the deal either Thursday or Friday.
http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/lak130108.html

Stars99Lobo37 is online now  
Old
01-08-2013, 05:47 PM
  #522
BigG44
HFB Partner
 
BigG44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 18,338
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stars99Lobo37 View Post
Not that it's a big shock or anything but Kings trying to trade Bernier...
No not shocking but disappointing.

The point I made in the Trade Forum that I don't think I've made before he is Richard Bachman is very likely to become a Group 6 UFA this summer.

He's over 25 which qualifies him, and he's only completed 14 games (less than 28 and you're eligible). Even if he was the full time backup, I don't know if he'd get 14 games in a 48 game season. Plus, I'm fairly certain Dallas will want to see both Bachman and Nilstorp in the backup role in Dallas at some point to ultimately make a decision on who to go with next season.

This is essentially the same situation Ben Bishop and the St. Louis Blues were in last year. He ultimately landed a 2nd round pick, but he's also a big goalie. A cluttered trade market won't help either.

BigG44 is offline  
Old
01-08-2013, 07:18 PM
  #523
BigG44
HFB Partner
 
BigG44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 18,338
vCash: 500
Other thread is moving dangerously close to 1,000, and this makes more sense here anyway.

KHL president has decided he will not honor verbal agreement to not allow signed NHL players to remain in the KHL after the lockout.

He says new CBA pretty much voids their current deals.

So ... Visnovsky .... 100% staying ... Rumors that Kovy, Ovy, and more could stay. Oh yeah ... Datsyuk maybe too.

Quote:
@SlavaMalamud: More Medvedev. "NHL's opinion of itself is so high... OK, let them get drunk on their greatness."
If sticks and stones ... haha

BigG44 is offline  
Old
01-08-2013, 08:42 PM
  #524
MetalGodAOD
Moderator
Star Rangers
 
MetalGodAOD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: New York City
Country: United States
Posts: 10,852
vCash: 500
Quote:
So ... Visnovsky .... 100% staying ... Rumors that Kovy, Ovy, and more could stay. Oh yeah ... Datsyuk maybe too.
Ovy is already back, Datysuk has said he'll finish the final 2 years of his contract with Detroit. Kovy is the only drama.

MetalGodAOD is offline  
Old
01-08-2013, 09:10 PM
  #525
BigG44
HFB Partner
 
BigG44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 18,338
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MetalGodAOD View Post
Ovy is already back, Datysuk has said he'll finish the final 2 years of his contract with Detroit. Kovy is the only drama.
Sweet. Last thing I saw was some report about a potential joint press conference from those three saying they were staying in the KHL.

Report said they were convinced to hold off by the PA. It was going to happen just before they agreed to the CBA.

Didn't see a follow up.

Losing Ovi would suck, but I'd hate to not get to see Datsuk. I honestly enjoy watching him more.

Kovy ...ehh ... hope he comes back, but not a huge loss for me.

BigG44 is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:05 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.