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12-04-2012, 05:55 PM
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Well I think the ducks do it 11 out of 10 times also. It set us up during that time and made the ducks golden in the future. They got sbisa who is looking like a top 4 defender and etem who looks to be a pretty good player. The other pick is Moore who is looked at as a #4 defender for the jackets.
I also thought that the Ducks ended up with Kyle Palmieri as well from that trade.....

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I also thought that the Ducks ended up with Kyle Palmieri as well from that trade.....
Our 1st round pick in 2009 went to the Ducks, and they traded it to the Blue Jackets, who selected John Moore. The pick that the Blue Jackets gave up to trade up to get Moore was the one the Ducks used to select Palmieri.

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Yeah, he definitely has to pack on some lbs/muscle before he hits professional ice.

He's probably my favorite prospect, though.

I think he has 2nd pairing, PP QB upside. Average defensively because of his frame, but not really a liability because from what I've read, he has a good stick and is solid positionally.

He's such a dynamic offensive dman though, which is why I'm intrigued.

Really excited to watch him in the WJC this winter (if he makes it, which is looking like a lock at this time).
Phil Housley is the US coach, and if there is anyone who can appreciate and groom a small, skinny, talented Dman, it's him....

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It certainly hasn't helped our situation on defense. We have to buy all our NHL d-men.

Of course, we seem incapable of developing them to begin with, so it probably makes no difference.
I always think us being bad with developing goalies is exaggerated. It's not good, but we've had Roussel, Boucher, Niitty, Bob etc.

Aside from Pitkanen who was practically can't miss, I can't think of any steady NHL d men we've developed, not counting Bourdon and Gustaffson who are still questionable.

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I always think us being bad with developing goalies is exaggerated. It's not good, but we've had Roussel, Boucher, Niitty, Bob etc.

Aside from Pitkanen who was practically can't miss, I can't think of any steady NHL d men we've developed, not counting Bourdon and Gustaffson who are still questionable.
I never liked Roussel. Boucher did some good things here but he is what he is. a fringe starter, mainly a backup goaltender.
Its too bad Niitty couldnt stay healthy. I think that was some bad luck. I thought he was going to be a good goalie for us.
Of course we were lucky we were able to find Bob. I dont think many people figured he would do as well as he did in his first year. Yeah he had some issues later on, but I think with some right goalie coaching he could of got back on track here. Too bad management gave up on him to quick.

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I always think us being bad with developing goalies is exaggerated. It's not good, but we've had Roussel, Boucher, Niitty, Bob etc.

Aside from Pitkanen who was practically can't miss, I can't think of any steady NHL d men we've developed, not counting Bourdon and Gustaffson who are still questionable.
Seidenberg.

Flyers did good on SOME picks, but had zero patience with any of them. This lineup would be real nice with Pitkanen and Seidenberg in it this season.

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12-07-2012, 11:35 AM
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The team also picked Sbisa. Looking at draft picks since 91 or so the team also picked Therrien who to my understanding was alright (I started watching in 07-08), Janne Niinimaa who I believe I read was good earlier in his career, and this guy Dimitri Yushkevich http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=5843 who managed to play 768 games so I figure he couldn't have been that bad. Of course none of those players above are amazing or much of the teams ability to pick or develop defensemen over the last 21 years.

Bodrov could've also maybe turned out if he hadn't gotten a woman pregnant, but it was too early to really tell. I think I remember hearing positive things about him but that can be said for a lot of prospects that never turn out.


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I never liked Roussel. Boucher did some good things here but he is what he is. a fringe starter, mainly a backup goaltender.
Its too bad Niitty couldnt stay healthy. I think that was some bad luck. I thought he was going to be a good goalie for us.
Of course we were lucky we were able to find Bob. I dont think many people figured he would do as well as he did in his first year. Yeah he had some issues later on, but I think with some right goalie coaching he could of got back on track here. Too bad management gave up on him to quick.
I agree on all points except Roussel. What didn't you like? He was overrated because of that crazy rookie year. Is that the reason?

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Phantoms vs Crunch stream
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/1579...-phantoms.html

Phantoms down 1-0 after 1.

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Legit top-4 guys include Janne Niinimaa, Joni Pitkanen, Braydon Coburn, Luca Sbisa, Dennis Seidenberg, and Jim Vandermeer.

Bottom-pairing guys include Jeff Woywitka, Randy Jones, Freddy Meyer, Alexandre Picard, and Marc-Andre Bourdon.

We have yet to develop a proper top-pairing defender, though.

For goaltenders, we have had a couple 1a types in Roman Cechmanek, Brian Boucher, and a few more back-ups, namely Antero Niittymaki, and Johan Hedberg. By far,

Now, forwards, that's where this team does its damage. We're still developing Brayden Schenn, trying to undo what Terry Murray's done, but he'll do fine with our organization. Sean Couturier, James vanRiemsdyk, Claude Giroux, Zac Rinaldo (could be a fourth-line forward), Andreas Nodl, Steve Downie, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Colin Fraser, Patrick Sharp, Darroll Powe, Justin Williams, Simon Gagne, Ruslan Fedotenko, Dainius Zubrus, Todd Fedoruk, Vinny Prospal, and those are just the names I'm sure of.

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Legit top-4 guys include Janne Niinimaa, Joni Pitkanen, Braydon Coburn, Luca Sbisa, Dennis Seidenberg, and Jim Vandermeer.

Bottom-pairing guys include Jeff Woywitka, Randy Jones, Freddy Meyer, Alexandre Picard, and Marc-Andre Bourdon.

We have yet to develop a proper top-pairing defender, though.

For goaltenders, we have had a couple 1a types in Roman Cechmanek, Brian Boucher, and a few more back-ups, namely Antero Niittymaki, and Johan Hedberg. By far,

Now, forwards, that's where this team does its damage. We're still developing Brayden Schenn, trying to undo what Terry Murray's done, but he'll do fine with our organization. Sean Couturier, James vanRiemsdyk, Claude Giroux, Zac Rinaldo (could be a fourth-line forward), Andreas Nodl, Steve Downie, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Colin Fraser, Patrick Sharp, Darroll Powe, Justin Williams, Simon Gagne, Ruslan Fedotenko, Dainius Zubrus, Todd Fedoruk, Vinny Prospal, and those are just the names I'm sure of.
What do you mean by that?

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What do you mean by that?
I was wondering that too, since Murray is currently coaching Schenn in the AHL

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Legit top-4 guys include Janne Niinimaa, Joni Pitkanen, Braydon Coburn, Luca Sbisa, Dennis Seidenberg, and Jim Vandermeer.

Bottom-pairing guys include Jeff Woywitka, Randy Jones, Freddy Meyer, Alexandre Picard, and Marc-Andre Bourdon.

We have yet to develop a proper top-pairing defender, though.

For goaltenders, we have had a couple 1a types in Roman Cechmanek, Brian Boucher, and a few more back-ups, namely Antero Niittymaki, and Johan Hedberg. By far,

Now, forwards, that's where this team does its damage. We're still developing Brayden Schenn, trying to undo what Terry Murray's done, but he'll do fine with our organization. Sean Couturier, James vanRiemsdyk, Claude Giroux, Zac Rinaldo (could be a fourth-line forward), Andreas Nodl, Steve Downie, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Colin Fraser, Patrick Sharp, Darroll Powe, Justin Williams, Simon Gagne, Ruslan Fedotenko, Dainius Zubrus, Todd Fedoruk, Vinny Prospal, and those are just the names I'm sure of.
Vandermeer top 4?
We just rarely draft D with our firsts, we're 2/4 at that since I started following, with Pitkanen and Sbisa doing good, and Woywitka and Jason Bowen either a fringe player or never has been

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I was wondering that too, since Murray is currently coaching Schenn in the AHL
And he's doing a fantastic job of it. The team's 10-12, and is currently the proud owner of the third worst record within the conference, despite having a significantly improved roster to work with.

They've scored 55 goals, which is the 5th worst league-wide, and if it weren't for both Schenn and Couturier they wouldn't even have that. Those two account for 32% of our total goal production this season. Two players, 32%...

Give me back Patterson, already.

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Legit top-4 guys include Janne Niinimaa, Joni Pitkanen, Braydon Coburn, Luca Sbisa, Dennis Seidenberg, and Jim Vandermeer.

Bottom-pairing guys include Jeff Woywitka, Randy Jones, Freddy Meyer, Alexandre Picard, and Marc-Andre Bourdon.

We have yet to develop a proper top-pairing defender, though.

For goaltenders, we have had a couple 1a types in Roman Cechmanek, Brian Boucher, and a few more back-ups, namely Antero Niittymaki, and Johan Hedberg. By far,

Now, forwards, that's where this team does its damage. We're still developing Brayden Schenn, trying to undo what Terry Murray's done, but he'll do fine with our organization. Sean Couturier, James vanRiemsdyk, Claude Giroux, Zac Rinaldo (could be a fourth-line forward), Andreas Nodl, Steve Downie, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Colin Fraser, Patrick Sharp, Darroll Powe, Justin Williams, Simon Gagne, Ruslan Fedotenko, Dainius Zubrus, Todd Fedoruk, Vinny Prospal, and those are just the names I'm sure of.
We didn't draft Coburn. Cechmanek was a legit starter, he just couldn't play in the playoffs worth a damn.

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And he's doing a fantastic job of it. The team's 10-12, and is currently the proud owner of the third worst record within the conference, despite having a significantly improved roster to work with.

They've scored 55 goals, which is the 5th worst league-wide, and if it weren't for both Schenn and Couturier they wouldn't even have that. Those two account for 32% of our total goal production this season. Two players, 32%...

Give me back Patterson, already.
I'd rather have Murray and the terrible offense. It's a developmental league. We have 4 fringe NHL defensemen who we need better developed. Why not have a long-time defensive-minded NHL coach develop them? Pronger and MAYBE Kimmo are done. Coburn is our #1 right now. We need as much help as possible back there, Patterson won't bring that.

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And he's doing a fantastic job of it. The team's 10-12, and is currently the proud owner of the third worst record within the conference, despite having a significantly improved roster to work with.

They've scored 55 goals, which is the 5th worst league-wide, and if it weren't for both Schenn and Couturier they wouldn't even have that. Those two account for 32% of our total goal production this season. Two players, 32%...

Give me back Patterson, already.
Yeah, but everyone has an improved roster to work with. I'm not saying Murray is doing a good job, because I don't really follow the team other than the occasional boxscore check, and I did think it was weird Patterson got fired. But it doesn't seem they're doing significantly worse than last year.

Plus, you were talking about Schenn specifically, and he's on a more than PPG pace. So what exactly would have to be undone, him not playing on a losing team?

edit: I also hope Noebels is getting serious consideration on getting called up to the AHL now that he yet again registered 2 points tonight.


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Syracuse went 0/11 on the PP in the Phantoms win...


Schenn with a 3 point night, Couturier with 2 assists.

I found it kind of funny that not a single Phantom was a plus because of the two PP goals they scored

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20 combined PP chances.
holy hell. talk about a game without any flow. On the flipside there was 3 total PP in the Manchester/CT game

EDIT: looks like they played some 3 on 3 for a bit in OT. that must of been fun

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Here's the shootout
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Nice shot by Schenn and a really nice move by Roe.

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Yeah, but everyone has an improved roster to work with. I'm not saying Murray is doing a good job, because I don't really follow the team other than the occasional boxscore check, and I did think it was weird Patterson got fired. But it doesn't seem they're doing significantly worse than last year.

Plus, you were talking about Schenn specifically, and he's on a more than PPG pace. So what exactly would have to be undone, him not playing on a losing team?

edit: I also hope Noebels is getting serious consideration on getting called up to the AHL now that he yet again registered 2 points tonight.
The Phantoms team D is already considerably better than it was a year ago, and that's what Murray is there to instill above all.

Yes, the offense is basically non-existent outside of Schenn
and Couturier.

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McGinn ties it vs Providence. 1-1.

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Half way through the second and Munroe has had 32 shots....

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Phantoms lost 3-2 in OT.

Also I didn't see this posted but its a really nice goal from Harry Z about a week ago.
http://video.flyers.nhl.com/videocen...sole?id=190419

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The Phantoms team D is already considerably better than it was a year ago, and that's what Murray is there to instill above all.

Yes, the offense is basically non-existent outside of Schenn
and Couturier.
Can't forget about Akeson either. He's been on fire since he's been called back up to the Phantoms. 9 assists in 8 games and has been much better defensively this year (to the point that Akeson now has to be considered a legit prospect to make the Flyers - looking a lot like a young Vaclav Prospal). Hopefully Noebels gets the call to come up as well.

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