HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Boston Bruins
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

2012 CBA/Lockout talk, It's not looking good VI

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-06-2012, 11:06 PM
  #101
Mr. Make-Believe
Moderator
Pass me another nail
 
Mr. Make-Believe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Erotic Fantasies
Country: Canada
Posts: 22,875
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
They did have to, and that's why it isn't a concession. And yes, you can still have a negotiation based on the financial issues facing the NHL today. You wouldn't have CBA negotiations based on the players rights in 1994 would you?
Kaoz, I love ya man. But you are INSANE.

Make whole is a concession, but 50/50 is a reality?

No wonder the lockout is going the way it is. THAT type of attitude.

Mr. Make-Believe is online now  
Old
12-06-2012, 11:11 PM
  #102
MioneRask134
Queen in the North
 
MioneRask134's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Hogwarts-617
Country: United States
Posts: 12,667
vCash: 500
Binding arbitration is probably the only way we can get hockey.

MioneRask134 is offline  
Old
12-06-2012, 11:16 PM
  #103
Rookie Chargers
Registered User
 
Rookie Chargers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Quebec
Country: Azores
Posts: 7,751
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to Rookie Chargers
I problem I see is with the number of GMs needed to agree with Bettman. If the same number of GMs had any spheres there would be none of this.

Better get some shut eye, I leave for Boston in 8 hours.

Rookie Chargers is offline  
Old
12-06-2012, 11:27 PM
  #104
MarshmontMcSlewfoot
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,425
vCash: 500
This sucks.

Everything horrible everyone has said so far about the players and owners is correct.

What a tease.

MarshmontMcSlewfoot is offline  
Old
12-06-2012, 11:35 PM
  #105
Bi Coastal Bawse*
RIP Sam Berns
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Bay Area, California
Country: United States
Posts: 10,281
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackNgold 84 View Post
I kinda wanna see shawn thornton beat his face into a jelly of sort. I'd pay him like $150. Good enough right?



Yikes.. shes 30 and venting on facebook.. oh wait i'm 28 and do that. Tell her if she keeps on getting emotional she will be getting no xmas presents.
she already got the biggest present as my parents helped her get a 2 family house out there she gets the top part and they get the bottom.......

she gets helped buying a house and i get a watch and laptop

whos the favorite child?

Bi Coastal Bawse* is offline  
Old
12-06-2012, 11:39 PM
  #106
Bi Coastal Bawse*
RIP Sam Berns
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Bay Area, California
Country: United States
Posts: 10,281
vCash: 500
Back to the lockout tho........this should be the time of year I would be debating buying a jersey

Bi Coastal Bawse* is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 12:21 AM
  #107
BamBamCam
Registered User
 
BamBamCam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,069
vCash: 500
To all a Merry Xmas and to all a good night.

I just wish all the fans/season tickets holders had the guts to give up their tickets so the players and owners could watch a game with a empty arena.

BamBamCam is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 01:34 AM
  #108
MarshmontMcSlewfoot
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,425
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoeLemay View Post
To all a Merry Xmas and to all a good night.

I just wish all the fans/season tickets holders had the guts to give up their tickets so the players and owners could watch a game with a empty arena.
Funny enough I was all ready to forgive and forget and get excited for my tickets to come and some hockey.

Now I want to demand my money back mere hours later.

My seats are just good enough to make it a tough decision if they were a tad worse I'd probably be done.

MarshmontMcSlewfoot is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 04:18 AM
  #109
Orrthebest
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 855
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Make-Believe View Post
Kaoz, I love ya man. But you are INSANE.

Make whole is a concession, but 50/50 is a reality?

No wonder the lockout is going the way it is. THAT type of attitude.
How do you justify the players having the best CBA of the big 4 when the NHL produces less revenue and far less profit than the other 3?

Orrthebest is online now  
Old
12-07-2012, 05:09 AM
  #110
SPB2776
Registered User
 
SPB2776's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: United States
Posts: 398
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by EverettMike View Post
You aren't describing a negotiation if you say the old CBA has no bearing on this one or how it works in terms of give and take.

You are describing a scenario where one side dictates how things will work and the other side needs to accept that.

I can see why the players are upset then.

(The players have gone to 50/50. I personally always said they had to.)
This is the problem, from what I can see. The owners are dictating, not negotiating. The players have made ever consession up to now.

SPB2776 is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 05:29 AM
  #111
Morris Wanchuk
.......
 
Morris Wanchuk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: War Memorial Arena
Country: United States
Posts: 15,168
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Morris Wanchuk
Its come to the point now where I think Fehr would reject his own proposal if the owners agreed to it.

Morris Wanchuk is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 05:37 AM
  #112
BlackNgold 84
Known Kellyist
 
BlackNgold 84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Massachusetts
Country: United States
Posts: 2,520
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis View Post
Its bizarre and stupid.. and goes against most union/ownership bargaining sessions/deals.. but **** if they knew this.. than just go with it. No time to have a big ego. If everything is in writing then look at it and sign it.



Quote:
Originally Posted by WhatsABruin View Post
she already got the biggest present as my parents helped her get a 2 family house out there she gets the top part and they get the bottom.......

she gets helped buying a house and i get a watch and laptop

whos the favorite child?
Dude you're life is kinda like a new age "Ferris Bueller's day off". Except you're in college and no one really cares if you don't show up for class.


Quote:
Originally Posted by MoeLemay View Post
To all a Merry Xmas and to all a good night.

I just wish all the fans/season tickets holders had the guts to give up their tickets so the players and owners could watch a game with a empty arena.
I will not be renewing this season no matter what.

BlackNgold 84 is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 05:38 AM
  #113
BlackNgold 84
Known Kellyist
 
BlackNgold 84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Massachusetts
Country: United States
Posts: 2,520
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morris Wanchuk View Post
Its come to the point now where I think Fehr would reject his own proposal if the owners agreed to it.
I see when this CBA is finally done.. him just saying something or doing some paperwork wise that just rubs everyone the wrong way, and just more bad blood being made. There is no way he's at the table for the PA at the next cba.. whenever that is.

BlackNgold 84 is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 05:47 AM
  #114
KnightofBoston
Mnt. Carlo
 
KnightofBoston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Easthampton, Ma
Country: United States
Posts: 13,947
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alycat View Post
RT @adater: From deep inside players side: "We were ready to play again. But Don came in (Wed.) & told us we could get more and to hold out"

http://twitter.com/#!/JoshRimerHocke...79475420049409
Ho-lee-****

And they may have just lost everything

O well, still think a deal will be made and the "off the table" is a scare tactic...but if I'm wrong, something tells me players will want fehr's head.

KnightofBoston is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 06:05 AM
  #115
Lordstanley
Bandwagonaire
 
Lordstanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Loge - 4 + Sec -316
Country: United States
Posts: 2,757
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoeLemay View Post
To all a Merry Xmas and to all a good night.

I just wish all the fans/season tickets holders had the guts to give up their tickets so the players and owners could watch a game with a empty arena.
I am as gutless as they come . Lets blame the fans and ticket holders for the the mess they have got us into . I am sure you would give up your seats as well

Lordstanley is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 06:13 AM
  #116
SerenityRick
Registered User
 
SerenityRick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Moultonborough, NH
Country: United States
Posts: 14,518
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to SerenityRick
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPB2776 View Post
This is the problem, from what I can see. The owners are dictating, not negotiating. The players have made ever consession up to now.
That's because the NHL are the only ones putting forth realistic proposals...

The NHL and the owners came to make a deal this week. They added even more money to the pot in an effort to get this wrapped up. They thought it was SUCH a done deal that they alerted their GMs and coaches to get ready for the season. The players, in turn, asked for more and more. The owners laid out "the hills they die on" (IE: their bottom line) and asked for a simple answer and they didn't get an answer... instead Fehr went to the press and said they were "really close"

That's a bull **** move any way you slice it. I don't care how much you loathe the owners.


Just ask yourself this: do you/the players REALLY think that holding out right now will get them a better deal in ~3 weeks? After missing another chunk of games? The answer is no. Simple as that. The time to strike a deal was now and they blew it. They ****ing blew it.

SerenityRick is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 06:25 AM
  #117
ranold26
Registered Loser
 
ranold26's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: 127.0.0.1
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,808
vCash: 500
Anyone care to reveal how/why the NHLPA thinks they will gain leverage by pissing off moderate owners?

Oy Vey

ranold26 is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 06:32 AM
  #118
Gee Wally
Global Moderator
Grumpier than ever
 
Gee Wally's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Right here punk
Country: United States
Posts: 39,374
vCash: 500
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ranold26 View Post
Anyone care to reveal how/why the NHLPA thinks they will gain leverage by pissing off moderate owners?

Oy Vey
They drank Fehr Kool Aid.

Fehr failed at the one absolute tenet of Collective Bargaining. He misjudged where the tipping point was.

All negotiations have one. Be it labor, buying a house, anything...

You have to read your opposition and know where it is.

__________________

BOSTON STRONG !!!
Gee Wally is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 06:36 AM
  #119
ODAAT
Registered User
 
ODAAT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Halifax
Country: Canada
Posts: 32,059
vCash: 500
Life got busy yesterday, hadn`t had time to check in and see what happened in yesterday`s session....not bloody good when I finally did, and not one bit shocking

ODAAT is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 06:39 AM
  #120
ranold26
Registered Loser
 
ranold26's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: 127.0.0.1
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,808
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gee Wally View Post
They drank Fehr Kool Aid.

Fehr failed at the one absolute tenet of Collective Bargaining. He misjudged where the tipping point was.

All negotiations have one. Be it labor, buying a house, anything...

You have to read your opposition and know where it is.
The players are going to be in trouble if they think they'll gain by this. I liken it to going down in the Titanic. They will get less and less as everyday goes forward.... and if the NHLPA thinks they will benefit from de-certification, they're bigger buffoons that what is already apparent. The VAST majority of the players will not benefit from de-certification.

ranold26 is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 06:46 AM
  #121
Spooner st
Registered User
 
Spooner st's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,528
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ranold26 View Post
The players are going to be in trouble if they think they'll gain by this. I liken it to going down in the Titanic. They will get less and less as everyday goes forward.... and if the NHLPA thinks they will benefit from de-certification, they're bigger buffoons that what is already apparent. The VAST majority of the players will not benefit from de-certification.
I'd say a 1\3 of the players will be out of a job.

Spooner st is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 06:50 AM
  #122
DOGSTARMAN
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 7,971
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhatsABruin View Post
she gets helped buying a house and i get a watch and laptop

whos the favorite child?
Your sister is but dude... you got a DELL!

DOGSTARMAN is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 06:52 AM
  #123
Fire Sweeney
Registered User
 
Fire Sweeney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Bergen
Country: Norway
Posts: 21,289
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lordstanley View Post
I am as gutless as they come . Lets blame the fans and ticket holders for the the mess they have got us into . I am sure you would give up your seats as well
You think Jacobs considers all of this a mess when some are still going to pay 150 bucks for tickets and 10 bucks for a beer after a cancelled season and a diminished payroll? He's laughing on his way to the bank.

Fire Sweeney is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 06:58 AM
  #124
Rubber Biscuit
Registered User
 
Rubber Biscuit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Long Island
Country: United States
Posts: 6,796
vCash: 500
I'll try and find the quote after I get out of class, but I read last night that Bill Daly said the reason Fehr coming in could kill a deal was not Fehr, but the way the players went about it. Apparently it was not "We need to consult our union head so we can move forward with this" but it was more along the lines of "This player/owner dynamic is not working for us. It's over. From this point anyone can be involved in the negotiations, and that's not negotiable at all."

Rubber Biscuit is offline  
Old
12-07-2012, 06:58 AM
  #125
DOGSTARMAN
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 7,971
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caballo Blanco View Post
You think Jacobs considers all of this a mess when some are still going to pay 150 bucks for tickets and 10 bucks for a beer after a cancelled season and a diminished payroll? He's laughing on his way to the bank.
This is true but it is also true that he makes $0 for all the games lost. I would agree that the rebound in revenue and fan loyalty after the last lost season probably emboldens the owners to not sign a deal at any cost just to get on with it. But everybody is losing the way things are now, I'm sure all involved, directly or in related businesses, are noticing the missing $ by now. I don't believe for a second that anybody involved in the labor dispute "doesn't care" if there's hockey or not - it's just a matter of how thoroughly they are willing to scorch the earth to get what they want. And the answer is surprising as it turns out. Potentially 2 lost seasons out of 9. That's pretty amazingly inept.

DOGSTARMAN is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:59 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.