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12-07-2012, 05:48 AM
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The problem is that it feels like Metallurg wont accept that Ryan wants to leave they day NHL starts up, that they will point to a loophole that the Avs offer isn't financially better than the KHL-offer. Maybe.

It just feels like this will mean problem down the road... Hope I'm wrong though and I'm glad that Ryan will play in the second best league in the world during the lockout.
you are uninformed and have prejudices. That is your problem. As I wrote above, Ryan and Magnitogorsk think that it is better for him to play THIS season in KHL even if lockout ends tommorow.

Btw he will come to Magnitogorsk middle or late december.

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12-07-2012, 05:51 AM
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your are uninformed and have prejudices. That is your problem. As I wrote above, Ryan and Magnitogorsk think that it is better for him to play THIS season in KHL even if lockout ends tommorow.

Btw he will come to Magnitogorsk middle or late december.
If he stays in the KHL this season regardless about what happen in the lockout. Then of course everyone here will be very upset/sad.

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If he stays in the KHL this season regardless about what happen in the lockout. Then of course everyone here will be very upset/sad.
I see it but Ryan does not have to do what fans want

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I see it but Ryan does not have to do what fans want
No, but I am just going after the information that you have told us.

Which means problems. For us.

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No, but I am just going after the information that you have told us.

Which means problems. For us.
for Avs it can be problem, but not for Ryan. The most important is interest of player not club. The player is not owned by club, he just works for club .. now for Magnitogorsk, maybe later for Avs or whoever. That is the life.

Finally, it is problem of Avs management that did not sign him.

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maybe off topic. Ryan signed in KHL, does not this mean that there is no NHL this season? so what lose for Avs?


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12-07-2012, 06:13 AM
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for Avs it can be problem, but not for Ryan. The most important is interest of player not club. The player is not owned by club, he just works for club .. now for Magnitogorsk, maybe later for Avs or whoever. That is the life.

Finally, it is problem of Avs management that did not sign him.

EDIT
maybe off topic. Ryan signed in KHL, does not this mean that there is no NHL this season? so what lose for Avs?
And this is a Avalanche-forum. Not an O'Reilly-forum. Hence the disappointment.

Edit: We still dont know if we will have a season or not.


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12-07-2012, 06:29 AM
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Boom what a shocker. Still, let's sign him even for 5 mio $. We should be way under the cap and he's our heart right now.

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wow hope he returns next year...

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Or does it might be a negotiating help?

Like he asked for 4 a year, avs wanted to give 3. If he signs with 3,8 per year with Magnitogorsk the Avs would have to give 4.

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12-07-2012, 06:36 AM
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Let's be reasonable here and not assume the worst. I don't trust the KHL or its clubs as much as the next guy, but O'Reilly is the heart and soul type of guy that would never betray his team. His team is Colorado, not Magnitogorsk.

We'll see him back in the NHL when it resumes, one way or another.

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I think it's a good move from him. First, he's get hockey for a good money. Second, he'll be playing with his brother. Third, he's got some leverages for the future talks with Colorado about new contract.

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Second, he'll be playing with his brother.
Well this might be the key here aswell. When I think about it, he wanted to play with him. Magnitogorsk didn't want to have a lockout-contract. So he made this contract, knowing the Avs will easily match it.

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Let's be reasonable here and not assume the worst. I don't trust the KHL or its clubs as much as the next guy, but O'Reilly is the heart and soul type of guy that would never betray his team. His team is Colorado, not Magnitogorsk.

We'll see him back in the NHL when it resumes, one way or another.
I have always thought that players are playing for money at first place...

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I would still love some clarification about if he can leave THIS season if NHL starts up again, or if it's 100% sure that this season the KHL will be his only destination. But in the summer Avs have to match KHL's offer to get him back to Denver.

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Well this might be the key here aswell. When I think about it, he wanted to play with him. Magnitogorsk didn't want to have a lockout-contract. So he made this contract, knowing the Avs will easily match it.
Seems like that could be it. i sure hope so

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12-07-2012, 06:54 AM
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I would still love some clarification about if he can leave THIS season if NHL starts up again, or if it's 100% sure that this season the KHL will be his only destination. But in the summer Avs have to match KHL's offer to get him back to Denver.
He can leave whenever the Avs match the offer. So he could play if there's a season.

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He can leave whenever the Avs match the offer. So he could play if there's a season.
not true. He can leave whenever Magnitogorsk agrees. OR he can buy out KHL contract whenever he wants. It is not like "KHL contract is terminated at the moment when he gets NHL offer (higher or same)" No it is not like this.

There is a scenario
1. He gets offer from Avs
2. He decided to sign it but he cant (he has KHL contract)
3. He is obligated to terminate KHL contract earlier, so Magnitogorsk must agree (dont have to, depends on will). Ryan has no chance to sue Magnitogorsk for "not terminating contract". Termination is based on the will of club and players. See no problem.
4. If KHL contract is terminated, he can sign with Avs (not do the same error as Prokhorkin )

Or he can skip point 3 and buy out KHL contract.

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Or he could just leave the KHL and resume playing in the NHL, like what KHL clubs kept trying to get NHLers to do.

Whatever needs to be done, he'll be back with us when the time comes. I doubt we have a season anyways, so it's prolly moot.

E: Biggest thing I just realized, I am 100% sure he spoke with Sherman before signing this contract. No way he'd go to the KHL if Sherman didn't hear about this contract first. Which means I'm sure there is plenty of communication between everyone that O'Reilly will be back with Colorado when the time comes, but with the likely lockout this season won't matter.


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Or he could just leave the KHL and resume playing in the NHL, like what KHL clubs kept trying to get NHLers to do.

Whatever needs to be done, he'll be back with us when the time comes. I doubt we have a season anyways, so it's prolly moot.

E: Biggest thing I just realized, I am 100% sure he spoke with Sherman before signing this contract. No way he'd go to the KHL if Sherman didn't hear about this contract first. Which means I'm sure there is plenty of communication between everyone that O'Reilly will be back with Colorado when the time comes, but with the likely lockout this season won't matter.
No, it is not so easy. There is MoU among KHL and NHL. If a player has valid KHL contract, he can not sign in NHL (vice versa). Look at Prokhorkin, he had valid KHL contract with CSKA, signed with LA, NHL refused to register his NHL contract.

I still dont understand this discussion. Ryan decided to sign in KHL for 2years. He will play this season in KHL and wil decide next summer what he wants - KHL or NHL. Simple.

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I still dont understand this discussion. Ryan decided to sign in KHL for 2years. He will play this season in KHL and wil decide next summer what he wants - KHL or NHL. Simple.
The discussion is the fact that he wouldn't sign in the KHL if he were being held hostage to play there. Some people are curious of the terms to ensure this is the case.

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The discussion is the fact that he wouldn't sign in the KHL if he were being held hostage to play there. Some people are curious of the terms to ensure this is the case.
"Fact?" No, that's an assumption you're making.

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for Avs it can be problem, but not for Ryan. The most important is interest of player not club. The player is not owned by club, he just works for club .. now for Magnitogorsk, maybe later for Avs or whoever. That is the life.

Finally, it is problem of Avs management that did not sign him.

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maybe off topic. Ryan signed in KHL, does not this mean that there is no NHL this season? so what lose for Avs?
It might become a problem for Ryan as well in the near future if he really escapes to the KHL right now.
I am pretty sure he wants to be back with the avs very soon but the avs management and also other teams front offices won't like this move IF he really plans on staying in Russia although there'll be a season in the NHL.


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This only furthers my theory that Ryan's gonna get Drury'd out of town.

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Makes sense as it gives him more leverage in contract negotiations, if the season resumes. However, hopefully he realizes the Avs don't play hardball. Threatening to stay in the KHL would be a one way ticket out of Denver for him.

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Let's be reasonable here and not assume the worst. I don't trust the KHL or its clubs as much as the next guy, but O'Reilly is the heart and soul type of guy that would never betray his team. His team is Colorado, not Magnitogorsk.

We'll see him back in the NHL when it resumes, one way or another.
Considering "his team (Avs)" wouldn't give him a contract, I would say that Magnitogorsk is his team.

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