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12-07-2012, 02:51 PM
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Tavares isn't even that much better than Eberle according to the stats. While Eberle is a little older than Tavares and was drafted earlier, Johnny has played three seasons in the NHL to Jordan's two.

Tavares
11-12 GP82 G31 A50 P81 .99PPG
10-11 GP79 G29 A38 P67 .85PPG
09-10 GP82 G24 A30 P54 .65PPG

Eberle
11-12 GP78 G34 A42 P76 .97PPG
10-11 GP69 G18 A25 P43 .62PPG
This is a very bad comparison. You do realize when teams play the Islanders they basically make plans around stopping Tavares, while Eberle probably is given a little more free reign due to linemates

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12-07-2012, 02:55 PM
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You have to look at who is a UFA soon if you looking long term. I could be wrong here but Whitney is a UFA this summer and I see him bolting out of Edmonton. On the islanders side I don't see Visnovsky playing for us in 2013(which will be pretty crappy if we have a lockout since we gave up a 2nd rounder for nothing). Streit is a UFA in 2014, but I actually see him staying(although he is getting up in years)
Streit is a UFA in 2013.

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12-07-2012, 02:56 PM
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Streit is a UFA in 2013.
I stand corrected. That being said of the 3 UFAs this summer, I am guessing Streit is the only one that stays

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12-07-2012, 02:58 PM
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I happy with what we have as far as futures on LI. EDM will be a powerhouse in the west and hopfull we can recreate the 80's. I dont think either franchise would mind that...


Also I always laugh when people say the oilers will have cap problems because they will have to pay 4 star fowards....They will be fine...

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12-07-2012, 03:06 PM
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Tavares isn't even that much better than Eberle according to the stats. While Eberle is a little older than Tavares and was drafted earlier, Johnny has played three seasons in the NHL to Jordan's two.

Tavares
11-12 GP82 G31 A50 P81 .99PPG
10-11 GP79 G29 A38 P67 .85PPG
09-10 GP82 G24 A30 P54 .65PPG

Eberle
11-12 GP78 G34 A42 P76 .97PPG
10-11 GP69 G18 A25 P43 .62PPG
You are right. John Tavares comes into the league, turns Matt Moulson into a 3-time 30+ goal scorer and PA Parenteau into a highly-sought after UFA. Eberle comes into the league a year after Tavares(even though he was drafted a year before him), has a solid rookie season, gets to play next to the 1st overall pick the year after and his numbers explode. Seems very similar.

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12-07-2012, 04:02 PM
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Oh look, another thread that will probably degrade into a pissing match if it hasn't already. This has been done before in the poll section BTW.

Two teams that have been bottom feeders for the last several years who have drafted very high. They should both have some potential for the future, but arguing about it now is pointless. As far as I'm concerned, both teams still suck until proven otherwise.

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Oh look, another thread that will probably degrade into a pissing match if it hasn't already. This has been done before in the poll section BTW.

Two teams that have been bottom feeders for the last several years who have drafted very high. They should both have some potential for the future, but arguing about it now is pointless. As far as I'm concerned, both teams still suck until proven otherwise.
Hard to prove otherwise when the teams can't play. Unfortunately for you, that probably means a lot more of these threads. We're generally all adults here, I don't think there is a problem with a pissing match here and there. As long as the language is kept relatively clean.

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12-07-2012, 04:09 PM
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Tavares isn't even that much better than Eberle according to the stats. While Eberle is a little older than Tavares and was drafted earlier, Johnny has played three seasons in the NHL to Jordan's two.

Tavares
11-12 GP82 G31 A50 P81 .99PPG
10-11 GP79 G29 A38 P67 .85PPG
09-10 GP82 G24 A30 P54 .65PPG

Eberle
11-12 GP78 G34 A42 P76 .97PPG
10-11 GP69 G18 A25 P43 .62PPG
The bolded is where you went wrong. Anyone who has watched them both knows that Tavares is clearly the superior player.

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12-07-2012, 04:21 PM
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Tavares isn't even that much better than Eberle according to the stats. While Eberle is a little older than Tavares and was drafted earlier, Johnny has played three seasons in the NHL to Jordan's two.

Tavares
11-12 GP82 G31 A50 P81 .99PPG
10-11 GP79 G29 A38 P67 .85PPG
09-10 GP82 G24 A30 P54 .65PPG

Eberle
11-12 GP78 G34 A42 P76 .97PPG
10-11 GP69 G18 A25 P43 .62PPG
This is exactly why numbers don't tell the whole story. Eberle's a great player, but he isn't on JT's level on the whole.

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12-07-2012, 04:24 PM
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Hard to prove otherwise when the teams can't play. Unfortunately for you, that probably means a lot more of these threads. We're generally all adults here, I don't think there is a problem with a pissing match here and there. As long as the language is kept relatively clean.
It's clear that I'm very frustrated with the lockout so for that I apologize. In the end, this argument has been done and re-hashing the same exact arguments over and over...

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12-07-2012, 04:29 PM
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The Oilers have 4 forwards who should be elite (RNH, Eberle, Hall and Yakupov), with some decent trades/signings for supporting players that should be enough to build an absolutely deadly group of forwards. I prefer that to what the Isles have to offer, where there's a massive drop off after Tavares (Moulson is pretty good, and Strome is a pretty good prospect, but I easily build around all Oilers forwards than all Isles forwards). In net I think the Oilers have the best young-ish talent on either team in Dubnyk. In terms of young-ish d, the Isles might have the edge, but the Oilers getting Schultz narrowed that gap a lot. I think Schultz, Smid, Petry, Klefbom, Marcinin, Musil, etc. is at least reasonably close to Hamonic, Reinhart, MacDonald, Donovan, De Haan, etc. Overall I'm definitely taking the Oilers, mostly because they have way more elite talent.

FWIW, I think the Isles have **** the bed with their drafting since Tavares. In the last 3 drafts they've had the 4th, 5th and 5th overall picks, and they've taken Reinhart, Strome and Nino. Obviously it's very early to say how these guys turn out, but I'm personally not a big fan of these prospects, I think they easily could have done SO much better with 3 straight top 5 picks. In 2010 guys like Skinner, Granlund, Tarasenko, Fowler, Burmistrov etc. would all have been great options at 5th overall, but they went with Nino. In 2011 I don't like the Strome pick when guys like Couturier and Hamilton were right there. In 2012 I'm not a fan of the Reinhart pick either, I think he'll be a decent dman, but I don't see the star upside that's there with someone like Rielly. With smart drafting I might be very seriously considering the Isles over the Oilers, but I just don't love a lot of their top prospects.
It's a good thing the draft is more than 30 picks long...

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Strome: Leads the entire CHL in scoring
Nino: Top 10 in AHL scoring (was as high as 3rd I believe just a week ago)
Reinhart has looked very solid if not NHL ready.

Oil have more top end forwards
Isles have more forward depth

Beyond that, I believe the Isles have the better top talent on D, as well as better depth.... though it is close.

Goaltending is arguable.

I'd say it's a tie, dependent on how the current prospects develop.

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12-07-2012, 04:54 PM
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The real question is...

Who has the uglier building?

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The real question is...

Who has the uglier building?
Tie, AINEC.

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Ownership has me leaning in the Oilers direction, not that Katz is great Wang is just awful.

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I like Tavares, but I gotta go with Edmonton. There's just too much young talent in Yakupov, RNH, Hall, Eberle, Schultz, and Klefbom for me not to take them.

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Strome is going to be a monster. So it ain't just JT up front.

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Oil have more top end forwards
Isles have more forward depth
Hall rnh. Eberle
Smyth gagner yakupov
Hartikainen horcoff hemsky
Pajaarvi Belanger jones
Eager. Lander.

No way isles forward depth is better than that. It's not league best or anything but its surprisingly good at all positions, especially if Harti and prv develop as we expect and horcoff and hemsky can stay healthy.

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The Oilers have 5 elite talents in Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, and Schultz. If they can have an even average supporting cast they should be one hell of a team to be reckoned with. That said I love what the Islanders are building out there and really respect their D going forward with Hamonic and Reinhart.

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Hall rnh. Eberle
Smyth gagner yakupov
Hartikainen horcoff hemsky
Pajaarvi Belanger jones
Eager. Lander.

No way isles forward depth is better than that. It's not league best or anything but its surprisingly good at all positions, especially if Harti and prv develop as we expect and horcoff and hemsky can stay healthy.
Moulson - Tavares - Strome
Nino - Nelson - Okposo
Grabner - Neilsen - Bailey
Martin - Cizikas - Ullstrom

That's your opinion.....

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This is a very bad comparison. You do realize when teams play the Islanders they basically make plans around stopping Tavares, while Eberle probably is given a little more free reign due to linemates
You do realize one plays in the easy East and one plays in the wild West, right?

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The Oilers have 5 elite talents in Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, and Schultz.
Lets be fair here... they MIGHT have 5 elite talents. Schultz and Yak have yet to play in the NHL, and Hall hasn't played a healthy season. It's still too early for RNH, but I can't argue against Eberle.

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If they can have an even average supporting cast they should be one hell of a team to be reckoned with. That said I love what the Islanders are building out there and really respect their D going forward with Hamonic and Reinhart.
Can't disagree.... there's a lot of fire power there if all goes right.

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You do realize one plays in the easy East and one plays in the wild West, right?
LMAO, are you serious? Have you seen the Atlantic division?

Please... compare the NW to the Atlantic.

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It is clear the Oilers have the better talent with Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yak and Schultz. Not sure there is any team in the league who can compete with that young talent.

The Isles do have some interesting prospects who are top 5-10 picks in their draft years. Strome, Nino, Okposo, Bailey and JT. I have a feeling whenever the NHL starts again that Okposo and Bailey will become legit top 6 NHL players and perhaps one of them will even become a legit first line player. Both are still very young.

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LMAO, are you serious? Have you seen the Atlantic division?

Please... compare the NW to the Atlantic.
I think he was referring more to the openness of the game in the Eastern Conference relative to the Western Conference.

It's tougher sledding out there against the Kings, Blues, Coyotes, and Predators than it is against the Rangers, Penguins, Flyers, and Devils.

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I'll go with the team with 5 elite talents : Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, Schultz compared to the team with 1 : Taveres.
I think Edmonton has better depth as well.

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