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12-07-2012, 07:16 PM
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This is a point many people miss. Its easy to build a team when you take consensus #1 picks every year. How will they draft once they don't have that crutch?
...Jordan Eberle? Justin Schultz?

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This is a point many people miss. Its easy to build a team when you take consensus #1 picks every year. How will they draft once they don't have that crutch?
Jordan Eberle was the 22nd player taken in the 2008 draft.

Since 2004, Edmonton has drafted Devan Dubnyk, Andrew Cogliano, Jeff Petry, Theo Peckham, Sam Gagner, Jordan Eberle, Anton Lander, and Magnus Paajarvi who have played in Edmonton. Those players, combined with the three first overalls, and Justin Schultz, and I'm less concerned about their ability to draft and develop young players.

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12-07-2012, 07:19 PM
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Eberle was a good pick. So him and maybe Klefblom in the last 4 years. I was talking about drafting so what does Shultze have to do with it? Plan on a lot of other teams prospects jumping ship to the Oilers?

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12-07-2012, 07:21 PM
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Eberle was a good pick. So him and maybe Klefblom in the last 4 years. I was talking about drafting so what does Shultze have to do with it? Plan on a lot of other teams prospects jumping ship to the Oilers?
Hartikainen? Marincin? Petry?

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Hartikainen? Marincin? Petry?
Exactly my point. Thanks.

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12-07-2012, 07:23 PM
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Exactly my point. Thanks.
Those are all good prospects/players. So your point is thin at best.

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12-07-2012, 07:41 PM
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Fellow Oilers fans, Schultz wasn't drafted by the Oilers!! Don't use him to discuss the Oilers' drafting ability, you're just asking for trouble, geez...

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nvm.

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12-07-2012, 07:46 PM
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Hartikainen? Marincin? Petry?
Again, helloooo reading comprehension... Petry was drafted seven years ago. Hartikainen was five years ago.

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12-07-2012, 07:54 PM
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Eberle was a good pick. So him and maybe Klefblom in the last 4 years. I was talking about drafting so what does Shultze have to do with it? Plan on a lot of other teams prospects jumping ship to the Oilers?
A number of guys who were drafted in the past four years are looking good so far... It usually takes three years+ to crack an NHL roster so you're definitely being a little premature here...

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Again, helloooo reading comprehension... Petry was drafted seven years ago. Hartikainen was five years ago.
Which means what exactly?

It's like saying Minnesota's scouting sucks because they didn't draft well prior to 4 years ago.

Anyone can pick some arbitrary range to make a weak argument.

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12-07-2012, 07:57 PM
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Which means what exactly?

It's like saying Minnesota's scouting sucks because they didn't draft well prior to 4 years ago.

Anyone can pick some arbitrary range to make a weak argument.
Here are the draft picks from 2004-2008.

2008 Tyler Cuma
2008 Marco Scandella
2008 Sean Lorenz
2008 Eero Elo
2007 Colton Gillies
2007 Justin Falk
2007 Cody Almond
2007 Harri Ilvonen
2007 Carson Mcmillan
2006 James Sheppard
2006 Ondrej Fiala
2006 Cal Clutterbuck
2006 Kyle Medvec
2006 Niko Hovinen
2006 Julian Walker
2006 Chris Hickey
2005 Benoit Pouliot
2005 Matt Kassian
2005 Kristofer Westblom
2005 Kyle Bailey
2005 Morten Madsen
2005 Anthony Aiello
2005 Riley Emmerson
2004 A.J. Thelen
2004 Roman Voloshenko
2004 Peter Olvecky
2004 Clayton Stoner
2004 Ryan Jones
2004 Patrick Bordeleau
2004 Julien Sprunger
2004 Jean-Claude Sawyer
2004 Aaron Boogaard
2004 Jean-Michel Rizk
2004 Anton Khudobin
2004 Kyle Wilson

Wow.

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12-07-2012, 08:06 PM
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Are you kidding? there's like an entire pretty good third line in there. Put that in a pot and sign zach parise and you got a stew goin' baby

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Which means what exactly?

It's like saying Minnesota's scouting sucks because they didn't draft well prior to 4 years ago.

Anyone can pick some arbitrary range to make a weak argument.
I agree, it doesn't mean anything (especially considering the fact that it takes three years+ to develop a player)... But making false statements to "prove" your point is just as bad.
Khaira and Laleggia from the last draft are looking like really good picks.
Then there's Klefbom, Musil, Rieder and Gernat from 2011 that stand out. Marincin and Bunz in the 2010 draft, and a few in 2009 that are looking decent.

It's only a matter of time before some of these make noise in the NHL.

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http://www.topcornerhockey.com/module_1-7yrs.html

A little perspective from someone else.

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12-07-2012, 08:12 PM
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http://www.topcornerhockey.com/module_1-7yrs.html

A little perspective from someone else. Here are the average games played/Draft pick. Oilers #14 Wild #8. I don't have a dog in this fight but it looks worse for the Oilers when you think of how bad they have been. You would think more draft pick would get into the line up on such a weak team.
Or you could have picked 5 years:

http://www.topcornerhockey.com/module_1-5yrs.html

Edmonton #15, Minnesota #20.

Please note: This site hasn't been updated since 2007. Sam Gagner is at 79 games...

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Here are the draft picks from 2004-2008.

2008 Tyler Cuma
2008 Marco Scandella
2008 Sean Lorenz
2008 Eero Elo
2007 Colton Gillies
2007 Justin Falk
2007 Cody Almond
2007 Harri Ilvonen
2007 Carson Mcmillan
2006 James Sheppard
2006 Ondrej Fiala
2006 Cal Clutterbuck
2006 Kyle Medvec
2006 Niko Hovinen
2006 Julian Walker
2006 Chris Hickey
2005 Benoit Pouliot
2005 Matt Kassian
2005 Kristofer Westblom
2005 Kyle Bailey
2005 Morten Madsen
2005 Anthony Aiello
2005 Riley Emmerson
2004 A.J. Thelen
2004 Roman Voloshenko
2004 Peter Olvecky
2004 Clayton Stoner
2004 Ryan Jones
2004 Patrick Bordeleau
2004 Julien Sprunger
2004 Jean-Claude Sawyer
2004 Aaron Boogaard
2004 Jean-Michel Rizk
2004 Anton Khudobin
2004 Kyle Wilson

Wow.
I bolded the ones that could somewhat be considered "good picks". Yeah... good times.

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Are you kidding? there's like an entire pretty good third line in there. Put that in a pot and sign zach parise and you got a stew goin' baby
Sadly there isn't even that. There is 1/3 of a good 3rd line. Again, good times.

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http://www.topcornerhockey.com/module_1-7yrs.html

A little perspective from someone else.
Yeah, "Last 7 Years" is 2001-2007 on that site.

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12-07-2012, 08:18 PM
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This is a point many people miss. Its easy to build a team when you take consensus #1 picks every year. How will they draft once they don't have that crutch?
You can easily fill 3rd/4th lines through UFA, if you don't have the means from within. Not a big deal lol

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12-07-2012, 08:20 PM
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Eberle was a good pick. So him and maybe Klefblom in the last 4 years. I was talking about drafting so what does Shultze have to do with it? Plan on a lot of other teams prospects jumping ship to the Oilers?
Marincin, among the top in D scoring in the AHL, considered a very good prospect taken in the 2nd

Musil another good prospect that is tracking well take in the 2nd

Hartikeanan, doing very good in the AHL picked in the 5th.

Most of the d prospects are taken after the first and almost all have progressed signifactly. Forward prospects have done as well but with a solid top 6 already they are only needed as depth players

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You can easily fill 3rd/4th lines through UFA, if you don't have the means from within. Not a big deal lol
Can you also easily fill your blue line and goalie position? And will those 3rd and 4th liners be any good?

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Can you also easily fill your blue line and goalie position? And will those 3rd and 4th liners be any good?
Probably pretty good. They're not that hard to find. We got Brodziak for a 4th or 5th. Dallas got Nystrom for nothing. I think they'll be fine.

None of us knew who Clutterbuck was until he was called up either. You never know where 3rd liners can come from.

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Probably pretty good. They're not that hard to find. We got Brodziak for a 4th or 5th. Dallas got Nystrom for nothing. I think they'll be fine.

None of us knew who Clutterbuck was until he was called up either. You never know where 3rd liners can come from.
Well you could argue the Oilers gave up Brodziak for a 4th and 5th which is an indication of their talent evaluation.

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Can you also easily fill your blue line and goalie position? And will those 3rd and 4th liners be any good?
Goaltending is easy. Look how well Theo did Florida, Vokoun in Florida, Anderson in Colorado, Nabby in Long Island

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Well you could argue the Oilers gave up Brodziak for a 4th and 5th which is an indication of their talent evaluation.
We've had screw ups too.

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