It may be true and Im not disagreeing with it, but I don't think it was helpful towards negotiations in any form. I don't see a point in putting a positive spin on it.
I actually took it as a bit of a shot across the bow. Not in a "let's divide the union", but in a "there is a fair deal to be made, i hope you think about your actions long and hard, before stalling or countering, again."
My impression when reading it was, Chipman is giving some of the PA members something to think about.
You know that with guys like Chipman and Burkle in the negotiations, there would be movement towards the middle for a 'fairer' deal for the PA. There isn't much time now to do a deal, that is this favorable to the players, imo.
I get that it is the Governor's job to dislike the Union, but I find that language way too accusatory.
Oh well, Michigan has their best College Basketball team in 20 years, I shouldn't let this NHL/NHLPA garbage get me down...
I do miss the Jets though.
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I don't really think this part of the quote was necessary. I like the quote otherwise.
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I totally agree. Just a jab for no real reason.
Mark Chipman was being honest and forthright, which is exactly what I expect from him.
You can bet every word of that statement was crafted for a purpose and read and re-read over and over before he said them. That is the way TN does business.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with the statement. The man bargained for 2 days and left in frustration. He is allowed to show his dismay imho, and he is telling the truth.
That's 100% not what I am saying. I have NEVER said that if someone doesn't think the same as myself, or with the norm that that is being negative, or that they are wrong.
But, there is a major difference in not seeing things the same way and having rational, logical discussions on the merits of each position, and just posting negative comments and positions day after day.
Eg.
"Player X doesn't look like he's playing good to me. (insert rational argument here to back up statement)."
to
"Player X is garbage. Can't believe that TNSE drafted this guy, what a joke of an organization. Player X should be cut tomorrow."
I agree that discussion is the best part of the board. But the second opinion elicits no discussion, just a negative dump on the player / org/ coaching staff / whatever.
I was a huge (and still am I guess) fan of Stuart last year. Loved what he brought to the team. But after seeing some of Garret's analysis and seeing how effective he really was has changed my position somewhat.
Now if someone just decides to post "Stuart suxors, we should trade him for a bag of pucks," that doesn't seem to create a very constructive dialog.
All I am saying is that it seems like we see a lot more of the second type of statements from some and not the first. Basically being negative for negativity's sake.
That's how I see things anyway.
I agree with your post Huffer. I also believe in constructive conversation. I'm not one to just say X player is garbage type of stuff. I think most of us are just tired of not having NHL hockey around and are left with very little to talk about, so the things we do talk about get scrutinized a lot more.
I agree with your post Huffer. I also believe in constructive conversation. I'm not one to just say X player is garbage type of stuff. I think most of us are just tired of not having NHL hockey around and are left with very little to talk about, so the things we do talk about get scrutinized a lot more.
You saying his post is garbage, huh?!
On a more serious note, this off season is boring as ****.
Yes this off season has become pretty boring for hockey.
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You saying his post is garbage, huh?!
On a more serious note, this off season is boring as ****.
True guys but it gets away more boring after The WJC, NFL fantasy (for me anyways), then NFL playoffs. To me that's when the lights go out. I usually turn more heavily to following Man U at that time. That is why I am ok with salvaging a 48 game schedule if it happens, if it doesn't so be it. Back to where we were for 15 years.
This is where having a WHL team would be of benefit in Winnipeg. At least in Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton they can still enjoy some form of league hockey. Even in Lethbridge and Brandon, hockey games press on.
Chipman is right. With some of the things coming out from some of the players (dunno if anyone has seen the quotes Adrian Dater took from one bottom six guy), it definitely seems like there are cracks in the union.
One thing we can be sure of, Hainsey won't be back in a Jets uniform once his contract is up. Can't see Chipman wanting him back after his ridiculous greedy antics.
Chipman is right. With some of the things coming out from some of the players (dunno if anyone has seen the quotes Adrian Dater took from one bottom six guy), it definitely seems like there are cracks in the union.
One thing we can be sure of, Hainsey won't be back in a Jets uniform once his contract is up. Can't see Chipman wanting him back after his ridiculous greedy antics.
I think that's extremely unfair to say . Hainsey's on one side doing his job, Chipman's on the other. To think that Chipman will step in and prevent the resigning of Hainsey if it's in the best interest of the Jet's organization solely on the happenings of the last few months is ridiculous.
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