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12-07-2012, 10:59 PM
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Personally I think DougGilmour93's best offer is pretty close(but not quite) to what I expect a deal to be(I think it was Kadri, protected 1st, and two other pieces I can't recall).

The value is likely close to the middle ground that's been achieved a few times between fans of opposite teams.


Can you link to this offer?


Since a 1st and _good_ prospect is all I have ever expected for Luongo, this would fit depending on what else is in the package to compensate for Kadri being boom/bust. It would also give insight as to why it was rejected, and why DG93 continues to insist that he has the right of it.

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12-07-2012, 11:04 PM
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Personally I think DougGilmour93's best offer is pretty close(but not quite) to what I expect a deal to be(I think it was Kadri, protected 1st, and two other pieces I can't recall).

The value is likely close to the middle ground that's been achieved a few times between fans of opposite teams.
IMO, my best offer was...


Bozak + Kadri + Percy/Franson + 2nd

for

Luongo +

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12-07-2012, 11:07 PM
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IMO, my best offer was...


Bozak + Kadri + Percy/Franson + 2nd

for

Luongo +
Post 852/857
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Imo was the best one.

Luongo + Raymond for Kadri, protected 1st, Ashton, Macarthur.

If you swapped Macarthur and Ashton for Kulemin, I'd give the green light, but you explained your position on that.

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12-07-2012, 11:09 PM
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Imo was the best one.

Luongo + Raymond for Kadri, protected 1st, Ashton, Macarthur.

If you swapped Macarthur and Ashton for Kulemin, I'd give the green light, but you explained your position on that.
I'd have to stand firm on Kulemin. For the reasons I previously mentioned.

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12-07-2012, 11:09 PM
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I know there has been alot of back and forth in all of these Lou threads but toronto needs a goalie like Lou and van needs decent value for him so here goes.

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Blacker
1st 2013 (top ten protected)

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12-07-2012, 11:12 PM
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I'd have to stand firm on Kulemin. For the reasons I previously mentioned.
Yeah, all I'm saying is that it's close. Not at all as bad as people make it out to be.

And imo Kessel, Lupul, JVR, and Macarthur as your top-6 wingers isn't bad at all.

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12-07-2012, 11:50 PM
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Why do Vancouver fans think that Luongo is the only answer Toronto has? I'll tell ya. You recognize that the Leafs could be in the market for a goalie and you're all trying to talk up Luongo even though you all know you're screwed cause your stuck with him and his stupid contract. Go ahead, keep him. I give it a year, than you'll all be calling for both his head and MG's head. Luongo will become your scapegoat and MG, you'll curse his name for offer such a monumental mistake.
True you could always trade for Pavlec if Winnipeg would like Luongo.

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12-07-2012, 11:52 PM
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Kadri, Finn, Frattin, Bozak is still too much from the Leafs side, at least for me (I think most Leaf fans would agree). Giving up two 1st round talents in Kadri and Finn.
Bozak
Kadri
Colbourne/Frattin
2nd

Keep Finn I understand. Nice pick.

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I'm glad how Vancouver fans are so worried about the future of the Leafs...Thanks guys, your so...wonderful.

Leafs themselves have an out. We can deal him as he doesn't have a NTC until the last year of his deal. We'll be laughing as we'll be able to get a kings ransom for him.

Plus we can always just upgrade our net with one of the other 50 plus goalies in the league. Luongo isn't the only one.
Your right the Leafs currently have a "Burke out clause".

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12-08-2012, 12:01 AM
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Bozak
Kadri
Colbourne/Frattin
2nd

Keep Finn I understand. Nice pick.
You're not touching Frattin.

For Luongo + 4th, I'd do...

Bozak
Colborne
Percy
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Bozak
Kadri
Colbourne/Frattin
2nd

Keep Finn I understand. Nice pick.
Would do that deal in a second. I am a bit hesitant with the idea of trading Frattin, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker in my book.

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You're not touching Frattin.

For Luongo + 4th, I'd do...

Bozak
Colborne
Percy
2nd Rounder
No thank you.

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Imho the 1st(protected or otherwise) is the most important piece we should target. It's not a dealbreaker, but it's definitely the piece I would want to use as a base.

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No thank you.
Why? I swapped Percy in for Kadri.

Kadri sucks, no?

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Imho the 1st(protected or otherwise) is the most important piece we should target. It's not a dealbreaker, but it's definitely the piece I would want to use as a base.
As a Leaf fan that first is the most protected piece for me. You do mention it is protected though, which would lighten the blow

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Would do that deal in a second. I am a bit hesitant with the idea of trading Frattin, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker in my book.
Great doing business with you. Stick around this forum more often we need more moderates like ourselves out here. Kind of reminds me of the "Walking Dead" if you know what I mean. Always looking for a helping hand the fend off all these nasty walkers.

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Why? I swapped Percy in for Kadri.

Kadri sucks, no?
Better than Percy.

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Great doing business with you. Stick around this forum more often we need more moderates like ourselves out here. Kind of reminds me of the "Walking Dead" if you know what I mean. Always looking for a helping hand the fend off all these nasty walkers.
Hahahaha I do know what you mean, I love Walking Dead. That deal almost is a little too much in the Leaf's balance if anything, so probably could be pushed to add another pick as well if it came to it.

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Better than Percy.
Hence, why I took Kadri out of the trade. Not giving up both Kadri AND Colborne for Lu.

I'd do...

1 of Joe Colborne or Nazem Kadri
Tyler Bozak
Stuart Percy
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Hence, why I took Kadri out of the trade. Not giving up both Kadri AND Colborne for Lu.

I'd do...

1 of Joe Colborne or Nazem Kadri
Tyler Bozak
Stuart Percy
2nd Rounder
Kadri I see as expendable considering our current depth at the wings (Kessel, Lupul, JVR, Kulemin, Mac, potential emergence of Frattin) and Luongo is far more valuable to the team right now than Kadri. Colborne is tough to lose, but his spot was essentially locked up by Grabovski, and hopefully one day we get that first line centre. Looking at our team, it doesn't scream win now, but we need to start winning soon as many of our top players are just entering their prime, Luongo does that for us.

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Hahahaha I do know what you mean, I love Walking Dead. That deal almost is a little too much in the Leaf's balance if anything, so probably could be pushed to add another pick as well if it came to it.
Would you swap out the 2nd to Blacker? I would like Finn more, but I respect he is kind of the new toy on Christmas Day right now and is hard to part with. Putting up nice numbers. Looking a lot better than our second round pick last year lol.

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Blacker

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Hence, why I took Kadri out of the trade. Not giving up both Kadri AND Colborne for Lu.

I'd do...

1 of Joe Colborne or Nazem Kadri
Tyler Bozak
Stuart Percy
2nd Rounder
Fair enough I will repectfully pass.

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Hence, why I took Kadri out of the trade. Not giving up both Kadri AND Colborne for Lu.

I'd do...

1 of Joe Colborne or Nazem Kadri
Tyler Bozak
Stuart Percy
2nd Rounder
Kadri over Colborne if we're getting Bozak, for sure.

Percy and a 2nd when we were talking Finn and Frattin last page, even if it was one sided...we'd need more value. Finn beats Percy for value, and a second I'm less excited about than Frattin, even the objective value is similar.

I think a lot of it is I don't much care for Percy, but take my opinion with a grain of salt.

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Kadri I see as expendable considering our current depth at the wings (Kessel, Lupul, JVR, Kulemin, Mac, potential emergence of Frattin) and Luongo is far more valuable to the team right now than Kadri. Colborne is tough to lose, but his spot was essentially locked up by Grabovski, and hopefully one day we get that first line centre. Looking at our team, it doesn't scream win now, but we need to start winning soon as many of our top players are just entering their prime, Luongo does that for us.
Expendable doesn't mean you give up more in a trade than you should.

I'm not head-over-heels in love with Kadri either but I know his talent level is extremely high and his value is too much to include him in a deal with Joe Colborne, Tyler Bozak and a high pick for Luongo.

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Kadri over Colborne if we're getting Bozak, for sure.

Percy and a 2nd when we were talking Finn and Frattin last page, even if it was one sided...we'd need more value. Finn beats Percy for value, and a second I'm less excited about than Frattin, even the objective value is similar.

I think a lot of it is I don't much care for Percy, but take my opinion with a grain of salt.
Nazem Kadri
Tyler Bozak
Jesse Blacker
3rd Rounder

In my opinion, it goes Finn > Blacker > Percy.

All three are Toronto-area boys.

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