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12-07-2012, 09:09 PM
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Imagine if Minnesota didn't trade Leddy
That would be the left-handed LD we are missing right now. Oh well.

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12-07-2012, 09:17 PM
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Imagine if Minnesota didn't trade Leddy
Hey we got Cam Barker out of it... ****

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12-07-2012, 09:23 PM
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Biggs is in his first season, and the fact that they are more developed and doing worse either suggests their line mates are worse this season yet may have contributed to prior success, or they regressed as players.... pick your poison
Biggs is the same age and has been playing in North America his whole career. As for Noesen and Puempel, the season is still young and the sample size is small compared to previous seasons.

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D'amigo won ECAC rookie of the year, then absolutely ripped the WJC 4th overall in tournament scoring behind Stepan, Hall and Eberle. His 12 points in 7 games are surely no match for stones 4th overall finish with 10 points in 6 games. Oh not to mention, D'amigo was at 20 while Stone was having his great season, D'amigo was in the AHL with a respectable 41 points in 76 games.
And how did D'Amigo do in his last WJC? 2 points in 6 games. That's really dominant. D'Amigo averaged 1.33 points per game in his only junior season. Stone averaged 1.86 points per game in his last junior season. Just a wee bit of difference there.

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Its funny, Biggs and Leivo are in the same position as Noesen and Puempel yet are looking less likely to succeed? They were all drafted in the same season. Not to mention we have Frattin who is about to jump in the NHL, so some are looking worse by the day, but some are in the same position as the Ottawa players mentioned.
Why are you bringing up Biggs and Leivo when you didn't mention them along side Ashton, Colborne, Frattin, Ross or McKegg.


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How about Finn, who was ranked just behind Ceci going into the draft?
And was drafted 20 spots behind him. He's put up a lot fewer point than Ceci so far this season while being much smaller.

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Really? Did Gunnarsson, Kulemin, Reimer, Frattin, Kadri, Schenn, Gardiner, Grabovski (somewhat, broke out here), Bozak, and Stalberg fall from the sky?
How much involvement did Burke and his team have with most of those players? Some joined the Leafs before Burke, some have yet to make the bigs permanently, some couldn't make many other NHL teams besides the Leafs and Gardiner made the Leafs the same year he was traded from the Ducks. The Leafs did little to develop him.



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Ya Kadris better stats in the same league obviously mean hes worse....
Marginally better compared to someone who had played 2 games in North America before this season. But the end of the season Silfverberg will have proven to clearly be the better player.

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Keslers season was an anomaly, hes regularly a 50 point player. Thats no knock on Zibanejad, just not the elite skill youd expect from a top prospect is all.
Which season was the anomaly for Kesler? He's put up over 70 points in a season more than once, you know?

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12-07-2012, 09:36 PM
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Biggs is the same age and has been playing in North America his whole career. As for Noesen and Puempel, the season is still young and the sample size is small compared to previous seasons.
Im aware of that, but its hard to adjust to different leagues, the fact that Biggs has and is producing at the same rate means that they are similar calibre prospects.

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And how did D'Amigo do in his last WJC? 2 points in 6 games. That's really dominant. D'Amigo averaged 1.33 points per game in his only junior season. Stone averaged 1.86 points per game in his last junior season. Just a wee bit of difference there.
It was meant to show how junior stats are not always equivalent to NHL success. The WJC is a short tournament that any prospect can dominate in any given year. Junior itself was easy for Stone who was twice the size of anyone so he parked his ass in front of the net where he scored most his points. At this very moment he is producing similarly to D'amigo in the same league (D'amigo was put into a defensive situation because of the lockout, last season was him playing top 6 and PP minutes, i dont know where Stone is but there is a reason for D'amigos slightly worse season).

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Why are you bringing up Biggs and Leivo when you didn't mention them along side Ashton, Colborne, Frattin, Ross or McKegg.
Because there was no one to compare those players too, regardless, Frattin is an NHL and will be when the season starts, I never liked Colborne and dont expect much from him but he sure does have the "potential" and Ross and McKegg are stuck without much playing time or opportunity because of the lockout and the vet studded Marlies team. Regardless, there inclusion was to show that every team has a handful of Top 6 potential prospect, Ottawa's group is no different than any other in the league, i dont only mean Toronto but all of them.

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And was drafted 20 spots behind him. He's put up a lot fewer point than Ceci so far this season while being much smaller.
Because draft rankings are always so accurate, Finn has also played a handful of games injured (i believe mono) and was at a PPG until the symptoms began. Also its not a lot fewer when considering the 7 less games that Finn has played.

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How much involvement did Burke and his team have with most of those players? Some joined the Leafs before Burke, some have yet to make the bigs permanently, some couldn't make many other NHL teams besides the Leafs and Gardiner made the Leafs the same year he was traded from the Ducks. The Leafs did little to develop him.
Regardless of the "amount", Toronto's management and Burke himself had some contribution, the only players Burke had full handle of is anyone drafted 2009-2012.... After 3 years there cant be a huge # of NHLers.

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Marginally better compared to someone who had played 2 games in North America before this season. But the end of the season Silfverberg will have proven to clearly be the better player.
You say that with certainty, its not a guarantee which is why they are the same calibre. I never claimed Kadri to be better, i said they are the same level prospects.

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Which season was the anomaly for Kesler? He's put up over 70 points in a season more than once, you know?
Both, dont see him doing it again.


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12-07-2012, 10:02 PM
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The rankings aren't great... But I agree with us at 1... We have depth and different types of prospects.. A nice variety.

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12-07-2012, 10:38 PM
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Nice to see the Habs move up to 8th, much better than in previous years!

Can't wait to see galchenyuk, Collberg and Hudon in the WJC!

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12-07-2012, 10:46 PM
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That's nice. I doubt you could find a single ranking that has Lehner over Markstrom. Maybe Holtby's above him, but Markstrom > Lehner by a decent margin.
Your a couple years behind on this one.

Robin Lehner: 12GP-8W-2L-1OTL 1.63GAA 0.950SV%
Jacob Markstrom: 13GP-6W-6L-1OTL 2.69GAA 0.914SV%

Keep in mind Lehner is also a year younger and has a Calder Cup MVP to his name.

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12-07-2012, 11:22 PM
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I have to agree with the Jets pool at the bottom of the pack. No depth at G behind Pasquale, and even he's not a lock to be a backup. Scheifele and Trouba are our only top end talent. Years of immediately placing drafted picks in the NHL have left the pool depleted. Postma has a one way this year, so he's no longer in the pool. However we have four picks in the first two rounds for 2013, and six in the first three for.

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12-07-2012, 11:44 PM
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A lot different than the Riser years. Thank God
Quite honestly, I'm still shocked that Fletcher and the scouting staff were able to turn the ship around so quickly in terms of the kids. We were at rock bottom not long ago. No. Correction. We dug a hole and went beyond rock bottom right before the front office was cleaned out. It's taken a lot of patience, but it appears that things are going in the right direction. It'll be nice to have decent call-ups should the big boys get injured. Depth is something very new for this franchise.

And the silver lining of this lockout is having the new guys (Zucker, Granlund, Brodin, Coyle, Larsson, and so forth) all joining the Aeros at the same time and getting to take that next step together as a group. Develop a bond and get that chemistry going. It'll pay off down the road.

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12-07-2012, 11:58 PM
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Imagine if Minnesota didn't trade Leddy
Still hurts, and it was one big mistake from Fletcher. But I give him credit for admitting his wrong doing. That's another thing that separates him from Riser. He knew he messed up and was honest about it. Good news is he seems to have learned from the situation.

Chicago should have sent a thank-you card to Fletcher, but they were probably too busy laughing at the fact that Fletcher willingly accepted Barker for Leddy.

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12-08-2012, 12:03 AM
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Weaknesses: While the organization has several quality goaltending prospects, they are short on depth at that position.

This sentence makes no sense, "while they have several" " short on depth"

And we have 4 goalie prospects, how many does a club need.

1 backup, 1 AHL starter, 2 juniors ( that are top of their league BTW)

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12-08-2012, 01:39 AM
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Strange. I thought with the addition of Justin Schultz, Oilers would be 1st, let alone 3rd.

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12-08-2012, 02:25 AM
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Strange. I thought with the addition of Justin Schultz, Oilers would be 1st, let alone 3rd.
RNH graduated, so they really only have three prospects that are guaranteed NHLers(Yakapuv, Schultz, Klfeblom). The rest are maybes. All top end guys, but not enough depth to move up the ranks.

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Strange. I thought with the addition of Justin Schultz, Oilers would be 1st, let alone 3rd.
You have top heavy talent in Yak and Shultz, and some good prospects like Klef, Hart, Lander... but there are other teams that have better depth (The 3 listed above you.... Guess you could argue against Ottawa...)

Does it surprise you because it's your fav team, and you don't like the results?

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You have top heavy talent in Yak and Shultz, and some good prospects like Klef, Hart, Lander... but there are other teams that have better depth (The 3 listed above you.... Guess you could argue against Ottawa...)

Does it surprise you because it's your fav team, and you don't like the results?
Really not much to choose between teams grouped so close together. With respect to depth, it seems HF editors disagree with you since they list depth at centre and depth at defense as strengths and depth at RW as a weakeness (Eberle, Yakupov, then who?.......)
Ranking seems fair. I'm surprised Oilers held up so well considering, RNH, Eberle, Hall, Petry have all been graduated and not considered by HF any longer.

Also, if the Oilers are ranked as 3rd then according to my calculations taking into consideration GVT and Corsi, that means there are 2.0 teams listed above the Oilers.....not 3


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RNH graduated, so they really only have three prospects that are guaranteed NHLers(Yakapuv, Schultz, Klfeblom). The rest are maybes. All top end guys, but not enough depth to move up the ranks.
Will people stop saying that Klefbom is guaranteed NHLer?

While yes the thigh cut was unfortunate (and the infection afterwards), he has had maybe 2 concussions, probably one. He had the shoulder injury. He also had a a lower body injury in April. He really reminds me of Koivu. Small nagging injuries. Some flukes, some not.

You can't ignore these injuries aren't hurting his development.

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Weaknesses: While the organization has several quality goaltending prospects, they are short on depth at that position.

This sentence makes no sense, "while they have several" " short on depth"

And we have 4 goalie prospects, how many does a club need.

1 backup, 1 AHL starter, 2 juniors ( that are top of their league BTW)
You missed the bit of nonsense that followed...

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The Senators could also stand to add some more depth on the right wing.

Top 5 Prospects: 1. Mika Zibanejad, C; 2. Jakob Silfverberg, RW; 3. Robin Lehner, G; 4. Stefan Noesen, RW;
Throw in Mark Stone, who should be on that list ahead of Noesen and is also a RW, and you've got another statement that is completely ignorant.

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12-08-2012, 06:58 AM
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Throw in Mark Stone, who should be on that list ahead of Noesen and is also a RW, and you've got another statement that is completely ignorant.
And you've listed the entire RW prospect list of the Sens.

They could use some DEPTH in the system.. Not top end guys.

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Your a couple years behind on this one.

Robin Lehner: 12GP-8W-2L-1OTL 1.63GAA 0.950SV%
Jacob Markstrom: 13GP-6W-6L-1OTL 2.69GAA 0.914SV%

Keep in mind Lehner is also a year younger and has a Calder Cup MVP to his name.
No idea how HF has Markstrom at 20 and Lehner at 46. They must take actual performance into consideration.

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High end prospects is better the depth and in the case of Ottawa and the Islanders they have both high end plus depth
No mention in the article of NYI prospects Kabanov, Pelech, Cizikas, Ullstrom, Sundstrom.

All very promising youngsters.

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And you've listed the entire RW prospect list of the Sens.
Not at all.

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They could use some DEPTH in the system.. Not top end guys.
This is stupid. Depth guys are easy to find. It is the top end guys that matter. And it is right freaking wing! You can move guys from center or even left wing to play it.

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Not at all.



This is stupid. Depth guys are easy to find. It is the top end guys that matter. And it is right freaking wing! You can move guys from center or even left wing to play it.
Depth in a prospect pool means you have quantity and quality prospects.

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No idea how HF has Markstrom at 20 and Lehner at 46. They must take actual performance into consideration.


Perhaps someone disagrees with the all mighty HFboards rankings, just as you did?

FYI , dont draw from the same source that your disagreeing with and try to use it to make a point.. Its what we would call talking out of both sides of your mouth.

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Perhaps someone disagrees with the all mighty HFboards rankings, just as you did?

FYI , dont draw from the same source that your disagreeing with and try to use it to make a point.. Its what we would call talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Didn't know this article and the prospect rankings were the same thing. My bad.

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Agreed with many of the teams in the top 10, but I think they're overrating Tampa and Chicago fairly significantly. For example, I'd take the Bruins' pool over Tampa's, and they have the Bruins ranked 19th, with Tampa ranked 7th.

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