2013 NHL Draft in case of Lockout

[thestonedkoala]

I agree the ball thing kind of sucks for teams that aren't bad but not good.

BTW average points for each team over the past 4 years

Boston Bruins - 103 points
New York Rangers - 96 points
New York Islanders - 73 points
Buffalo Sabres - 94 points
New Jersey Devils - 98 points
Philadelphia Flyers -99 points
Pittsburgh Penguins - 104 points
Montreal Canadiens -89 points
Ottawa Senators - 86 points
Toronto Maple Leafs -80 points
Carolina Hurricanes -88 points
Florida Panthers - 84 points
Tampa Bay Lightning - 83 points
Washington Capitals - 107 points
Winnipeg Jets - 81 points

Chicago Blackhawks - 104 points
Columbus Blue Jackets - 79 points
Detroit Red Wings - 105 points
Nashville Predators - 98 points
St. Louis Blues - 95 points
Calgary Flames - 93 points
Colorado Avalanche - 80 points
Edmonton Oilers - 71 points
Minnesota Wild - 85 points
Vancouver Canucks - 108 points
Anaheim Ducks - 90 points
Dallas Stars - 89 points
Los Angeles Kings - 93 points
Phoenix Coyotes - 96 points
San Jose Sharks - 108 points

Edmonton really does suck as does the New York Islanders

If based off of averages

Edmonton Oilers
New York Islanders
Columbus Blue Jackets
Toronto Maple Leafs*
Colorado Avalanche*
Winnipeg Jets
Tampa Bay Lightning
Florida Panthers
Minnesota Wild
Ottawa Senators
Carolina Hurricanes
Montreal Canadians*
Dallas Stars*
Anaheim Ducks
Los Angeles Kings
Calgary Flames*
Buffalo Sabres
St. Louis Blues
Phoenix Coyotes*
New York Rangers*
Nashville Predators*
New Jersey Devils*
Philadelphia Flyers
Boston Bruins
Pittsburgh Penguins
Chicago Blackhawks
Detroit Red Wings
Washington Capitals
Vancouver Canucks
San Jose Sharks

Here's a weird idea and complicated idea but fun nonetheless:

Top 10 gets three balls
Middle 10 get two balls
Bottom 10 gets one ball

Now, if you picked in 1st overall since 2009 (I went 4 years ago back to the 2008-2009 season), you lose a ball. So New York Islanders loses one, Edmonton losses three (you can't have zero, so they'll have one). If you won the Stanley Cup in those four years, you lose one ball. So Pittsburgh, Chicago, Los Angeles and Boston lose 1. If you haven't picked in the top 10 in those four seasons, you gain one ball. Calgary, Nashville, Chicago, Detroit, Washington, Vancouver, Buffalo, San Jose, St. Louis, and Pittsburgh all gain a ball.

So breaking it down further

Edmonton Oilers - 1 ball
New York Islanders - 2 balls
Columbus Blue Jackets - 3 balls
Toronto Maple Leafs* - 3 balls
Colorado Avalanche* - 3 balls
Winnipeg Jets - 3 balls
Tampa Bay Lightning - 3 balls
Florida Panthers - 3 balls
Minnesota Wild - 3 balls
Ottawa Senators - 3 balls

Carolina Hurricanes - 2 balls
Montreal Canadians* - 2 balls
Dallas Stars*- 2 balls
Anaheim Ducks- 2 balls
Los Angeles Kings- 1 balls
Calgary Flames*- 3 balls
Buffalo Sabres- 3 balls
St. Louis Blues - 3 balls
Phoenix Coyotes* - 2 balls
New York Rangers* - 2 balls

Nashville Predators* - 2 balls
New Jersey Devils* - 1 balls
Philadelphia Flyers - 1 balls
Boston Bruins - 1 balls
Pittsburgh Penguins - 1 balls
Chicago Blackhawks - 1 balls
Detroit Red Wings - 2 balls
Washington Capitals - 2 balls
Vancouver Canucks - 2 balls
San Jose Sharks - 2 balls

It can get a lot more complicated than that but here's my reasoning on those three criteria;

1 - 1st overall pick is like the Stanley Cup for losers. That's the best player in the draft and if you're lucky to draft them, you should be building around your franchise

2 - Stanley Cup winner. You achieved the ultimate goal and built your organization.

3. Top 10 - You don't suck bad enough to pick in the top 10 and haven't won anything either. You should be rewarded.

Personally this isn't bad:

Pick 1: Vancouver Canucks
Pick 2: Detroit Red Wings
Pick 3: Washington Capitals
Pick 4: Buffalo Sabres
Pick 5: Minnesota Wild
Pick 6: Boston Bruins
Pick 7: Toronto Maple Leafs
Pick 8: Ottawa Senators
Pick 9: New York Islanders
Pick 10: Dallas Stars
Pick 11: Winnipeg Jets
Pick 12: Columbus Blue Jackets
Pick 13: Montreal Canadians
Pick 14: Carolina Hurricanes
Pick 15: Calgary Flames
Pick 16: Colorado Avalanche
Pick 17: Florida Panthers
Pick 18: Tampa Bay Lightning
Pick 19: New York Rangers
Pick 20: Phoenix Coyotes
Pick 21: Anaheim Ducks
Pick 22: St. Louis Blues
Pick 23: San Jose Sharks
Pick 24: Edmonton Oilers
Pick 25: Pittsburgh Penguins
Pick 26: Nashville Predators
Pick 27: Chicago Blackhawks
Pick 28: New Jersey Devils
Pick 29: Philadelphia Flyers
Pick 30: Los Angeles Kings

[DKQ]

Originally Posted by the8bandarmadillo

So breaking it down further

Edmonton Oilers - 1 ball
New York Islanders - 2 balls
Columbus Blue Jackets - 3 balls
Toronto Maple Leafs* - 3 balls
Colorado Avalanche* - 3 balls
Winnipeg Jets - 3 balls
Tampa Bay Lightning - 3 balls
Florida Panthers - 3 balls
Minnesota Wild - 3 balls
Ottawa Senators - 3 balls

Carolina Hurricanes - 2 balls
Montreal Canadians* - 2 balls
Dallas Stars*- 2 balls
Anaheim Ducks- 2 balls
Los Angeles Kings- 1 balls
Calgary Flames*- 3 balls
Buffalo Sabres- 3 balls
St. Louis Blues - 3 balls
Phoenix Coyotes* - 2 balls
New York Rangers* - 2 balls

Nashville Predators* - 2 balls
New Jersey Devils* - 1 balls
Philadelphia Flyers - 1 balls
Boston Bruins - 1 balls
Pittsburgh Penguins - 1 balls
Chicago Blackhawks - 1 balls
Detroit Red Wings - 2 balls
Washington Capitals - 2 balls
Vancouver Canucks - 2 balls
San Jose Sharks - 2 balls

It can get a lot more complicated than that but here's my reasoning on those three criteria;

1 - 1st overall pick is like the Stanley Cup for losers. That's the best player in the draft and if you're lucky to draft them, you should be building around your franchise

2 - Stanley Cup winner. You achieved the ultimate goal and built your organization.

3. Top 10 - You don't suck bad enough to pick in the top 10 and haven't won anything either. You should be rewarded.

I dont like it because it gives teams like St. Louis, Minnesota and Buffalo an equal chance with Columbus and a better chance than NYI at picking first overall.

Here's my idea. I don't really want to see it implemented, just something I thought of:

The draft order is done based on the average number of points for each team over the past 3 seasons. Points are added to these averages based on any of these events having occurred over the same time span:

- 5 points are added for a playoff appearance
- 5 points are added for each playoff round win
- 10 points are added for each 1st overall pick
- 10 points are added for each Stanley Cup won
- Ties will be broken by having the team which has won the furthest round of the playoffs (ie. Conference finals vs. Conference quarter-finals) in the described time span have higher placement; if equal it will decided by chance

Therefore the modified point scores are:

Boston Bruins - 158 points
Chicago Blackhawks - 154 points
Los Angeles Kings - 143 points
Vancouver Canucks - 143 points
San Jose Sharks - 143 points
Philadelphia Flyers -139 points
Washington Capitals - 132 points
Detroit Red Wings - 130 points
New Jersey Devils - 123 points
Nashville Predators - 123 points
Phoenix Coyotes - 121 points
Pittsburgh Penguins - 119 points
New York Rangers - 111 points
Montreal Canadiens -109 points
St. Louis Blues - 105 points
Buffalo Sabres - 104 points
Edmonton Oilers - 101 points
Tampa Bay Lightning - 98 points
Ottawa Senators - 96 points
Anaheim Ducks - 95 points
Calgary Flames - 93 points
Dallas Stars - 89 points
Florida Panthers - 89 points
Carolina Hurricanes -88 points
Colorado Avalanche - 85 points
Minnesota Wild - 85 points
Winnipeg Jets - 81 points
Toronto Maple Leafs -80 points
Columbus Blue Jackets - 79 points
New York Islanders - 73 points

The order is then drawn in pools of five such that teams with lower point totals get earlier selections, with each team in the pool receieving even odds; ie. NYI, CLB, TOR, WPG and MIN will be guaranteed the first 5 picks in random order; COL, CAR, FLA, DAL, CGY will have picks 6-10 in random order, etc.

I feel like this model is the best for accurately portraying how good each team has been on whole over the past 3 years, with an emphasis put on playoff success, with the teams which have won the past 3 stanley cups and the past 3 president's trophies all finishing in the top 5 and having the lowest picks, and the teams which have had the lowest point totals without having a 1st overall pick having the highest picks

[DuckJet]

Originally Posted by zaray_656

Pick 1: Dallas
Pick 2: Edmonton
Pick 3: Toronto
Pick 4: Anaheim
Pick 5: Florida
Pick 6: Columbus via Los Angeles
Pick 7: Montreal
Pick 8: Pittsburgh
Pick 9: Tampa Bay
Pick 10: Winnipeg
Pick 11: Philadelphia
Pick 12: Columbus via New York Rangers
Pick 13: Colorado
Pick 14: Carolina
Pick 15: Detroit
Pick 16: Washington
Pick 17: New Jersey
Pick 18: St. Louis
Pick 19: Calgary
Pick 20: Minnesota
Pick 21: Phoenix
Pick 22: Buffalo
Pick 23: Nashville
Pick 24: Columbus
Pick 25: New York Islanders
Pick 26: Ottawa
Pick 27: Vancouver
Pick 28: San Jose
Pick 29: Chicago
Pick 30: Boston

Edmonton gets 2nd overall and Calgary gets 19th with 3 balls? Sign me up. Although poor CBJ gets better picks with LA's and NYR's picks

So you're telling me, I can has one of Jones, Monahan, and Barkov? yes please

[thestonedkoala]

Originally Posted by DropkickQuinn

I dont like it because it gives teams like St. Louis, Minnesota and Buffalo an equal chance with Columbus and a better chance than NYI at picking first overall.

Why? I feel bad for a team like St. Louis and Buffalo because they make the playoffs but don't get much success. Shouldn't teams that are ran benefit?

[Huffer]

Originally Posted by DropkickQuinn

I dont like it because it gives teams like St. Louis, Minnesota and Buffalo an equal chance with Columbus and a better chance than NYI at picking first overall.

Here's my idea. I don't really want to see it implemented, just something I thought of:

The draft order is done based on the average number of points for each team over the past 3 seasons. Points are added to these averages based on any of these events having occurred over the same time span:

- 5 points are added for a playoff appearance
- 5 points are added for each playoff round win
- 10 points are added for each 1st overall pick
- 10 points are added for each Stanley Cup won
- Ties will be broken by having the team which has won the furthest round of the playoffs (ie. Conference finals vs. Conference quarter-finals) in the described time span have higher placement; if equal it will decided by chance

Therefore the modified point scores are:

Boston Bruins - 158 points
Chicago Blackhawks - 154 points
Los Angeles Kings - 143 points
Vancouver Canucks - 143 points
San Jose Sharks - 143 points
Philadelphia Flyers -139 points
Washington Capitals - 132 points
Detroit Red Wings - 130 points
New Jersey Devils - 123 points
Nashville Predators - 123 points
Phoenix Coyotes - 121 points
Pittsburgh Penguins - 119 points
New York Rangers - 111 points
Montreal Canadiens -109 points
St. Louis Blues - 105 points
Buffalo Sabres - 104 points
Edmonton Oilers - 101 points
Tampa Bay Lightning - 98 points
Ottawa Senators - 96 points
Anaheim Ducks - 95 points
Calgary Flames - 93 points
Dallas Stars - 89 points
Florida Panthers - 89 points
Carolina Hurricanes -88 points
Colorado Avalanche - 85 points
Minnesota Wild - 85 points
Winnipeg Jets - 81 points
Toronto Maple Leafs -80 points
Columbus Blue Jackets - 79 points
New York Islanders - 73 points

The order is then drawn in pools of five such that teams with lower point totals get earlier selections, with each team in the pool receieving even odds; ie. NYI, CLB, TOR, WPG and MIN will be guaranteed the first 5 picks in random order; COL, CAR, FLA, DAL, CGY will have picks 6-10 in random order, etc.

I feel like this model is the best for accurately portraying how good each team has been on whole over the past 3 years, with an emphasis put on playoff success, with the teams which have won the past 3 stanley cups and the past 3 president's trophies all finishing in the top 5 and having the lowest picks, and the teams which have had the lowest point totals without having a 1st overall pick having the highest picks

I like ideas like this the best. Once the teams are ordered, they are put into tiers where they can't draft any lower (I.E the 5 worst teams above can't pick worse than 5th).

It makes no sense to me to allow the random bouncing of a ball to allow a perennial good team like the Wings or Bruins to get a top 5 pick, while Columbus, NYI, Tor, Min and WPG get a bad bounce and pick 20th.

[MrFunnyWobbl]

Originally Posted by jameswrjobe53

I agree

lol!

[alphafox]

I can't see Columbus standing pat if they don't have a top 5, I'd bet dollars to donuts we see them sending players or picks in order to get to a position where they could draft a Barkov, Monahan, or Lindholm.

[DuckJet]

Originally Posted by alphafox

I can't see Columbus standing pat if they don't have a top 5, I'd bet dollars to donuts we see them sending players or picks in order to get to a position where they could draft a Barkov, Monahan, or Lindholm.

I'm pretty sure if they were trying to move up from say...20. The assets it would take to move up that high would cripple their resources.

[alphafox]

Originally Posted by DuckJet

I'm pretty sure if they were trying to move up from say...20. The assets it would take to move up that high would cripple their resources.

If 20 is their highest pick, I might agree. Although three first rounders, even if they are late might be able to swing a top 5.

[Flying High]

Originally Posted by alphafox

If 20 is their highest pick, I might agree. Although three first rounders, even if they are late might be able to swing a top 5.

Not a chance.

[StrongIslanders90]

Originally Posted by DropkickQuinn

I dont like it because it gives teams like St. Louis, Minnesota and Buffalo an equal chance with Columbus and a better chance than NYI at picking first overall.

Here's my idea. I don't really want to see it implemented, just something I thought of:

The draft order is done based on the average number of points for each team over the past 3 seasons. Points are added to these averages based on any of these events having occurred over the same time span:

- 5 points are added for a playoff appearance
- 5 points are added for each playoff round win
- 10 points are added for each 1st overall pick
- 10 points are added for each Stanley Cup won
- Ties will be broken by having the team which has won the furthest round of the playoffs (ie. Conference finals vs. Conference quarter-finals) in the described time span have higher placement; if equal it will decided by chance

Therefore the modified point scores are:

Boston Bruins - 158 points
Chicago Blackhawks - 154 points
Los Angeles Kings - 143 points
Vancouver Canucks - 143 points
San Jose Sharks - 143 points
Philadelphia Flyers -139 points
Washington Capitals - 132 points
Detroit Red Wings - 130 points
New Jersey Devils - 123 points
Nashville Predators - 123 points
Phoenix Coyotes - 121 points
Pittsburgh Penguins - 119 points
New York Rangers - 111 points
Montreal Canadiens -109 points
St. Louis Blues - 105 points
Buffalo Sabres - 104 points
Edmonton Oilers - 101 points
Tampa Bay Lightning - 98 points
Ottawa Senators - 96 points
Anaheim Ducks - 95 points
Calgary Flames - 93 points
Dallas Stars - 89 points
Florida Panthers - 89 points
Carolina Hurricanes -88 points
Colorado Avalanche - 85 points
Minnesota Wild - 85 points
Winnipeg Jets - 81 points
Toronto Maple Leafs -80 points
Columbus Blue Jackets - 79 points
New York Islanders - 73 points

The order is then drawn in pools of five such that teams with lower point totals get earlier selections, with each team in the pool receieving even odds; ie. NYI, CLB, TOR, WPG and MIN will be guaranteed the first 5 picks in random order; COL, CAR, FLA, DAL, CGY will have picks 6-10 in random order, etc.

I feel like this model is the best for accurately portraying how good each team has been on whole over the past 3 years, with an emphasis put on playoff success, with the teams which have won the past 3 stanley cups and the past 3 president's trophies all finishing in the top 5 and having the lowest picks, and the teams which have had the lowest point totals without having a 1st overall pick having the highest picks

I wouldnt be mad

[oilersfan11]

Just use the damn standings from the 2011-12 season for the 2013 draft.



Columbus selects Nathan Mackinnon first overall

[CaptainIginla]

Originally Posted by oilersfan11

Just use the damn standings from the 2011-12 season for the 2013 draft.



Columbus selects Nathan Mackinnon first overall

The Montreal Canadiens are proud to select, les Canadiens sont fiers séléctionner, Portland Winterhawks' Seth Jones.

[dannyboy8920]

Bettman will draft it similar to this. "RANDOM" draft.
(leafs likely switched with Columbus)

Pick 1: phoenix
Pick 2: nyi
Pick 3: colorado
Pick 4: toronto
Pick 5: calgary
Pick 6: dallas
Pick 7: florida
Pick 8: washington
Pick 9: st.louis
Pick 10: winnipeg
Pick 11: buffalo
Pick 12: edmonton
Pick 13: pitts
Pick 14: philly
Pick 15: columbus
Pick 16: vancouver
Pick 17: nashville
Pick 18: sj
Pick 19: chicago
Pick 20: anahiem
Pick 21: carolina
Pick 22: detroit
Pick 23: minni
Pick 24: tampa
Pick 25: nyr
Pick 26: nj
Pick 27: montreal
Pick 28: boston
Pick 29: la
Pick 30: ottawa

[LordFletcher]

Originally Posted by dannyboy8920

Bettman will draft it similar to this. "RANDOM" draft.
(leafs likely switched with Columbus)

Pick 1: phoenix
Pick 2: nyi
Pick 3: colorado
Pick 4: toronto
Pick 5: calgary
Pick 6: dallas
Pick 7: florida
Pick 8: washington
Pick 9: st.louis
Pick 10: winnipeg
Pick 11: buffalo
Pick 12: edmonton
Pick 13: pitts
Pick 14: philly
Pick 15: columbus
Pick 16: vancouver
Pick 17: nashville
Pick 18: sj
Pick 19: chicago
Pick 20: anahiem
Pick 21: carolina
Pick 22: detroit
Pick 23: minni
Pick 24: tampa
Pick 25: nyr
Pick 26: nj
Pick 27: montreal
Pick 28: boston
Pick 29: la
Pick 30: ottawa

No! Makes zero sense. Pending lockout, there will not be a random draft order. It will be the ping pong ball system and or a revised version of the previous lock out formula.

I think it could increase to a 1-5 ping pong ball lottery based upon the last 3 seasons record / playoffs - Stanley cups / 1st overall picks.

If there isn't a season and teams like Columbus / Toronto / NYI do not get a decent 2013 pick, there will be riots, .... well at least in Toronto. My Wild in theory deserve a top 7 pick (or so) but who's to say they will get lucky enough.

[InjuredChoker]

Originally Posted by LordFletcher

No! Makes zero sense. Pending lockout, there will not be a random draft order. It will be the ping pong ball system and or a revised version of the previous lock out formula.

I think it could increase to a 1-5 ping pong ball lottery based upon the last 3 seasons record / playoffs - Stanley cups / 1st overall picks.

If there isn't a season and teams like Columbus / Toronto / NYI do not get a decent 2013 pick, there will be riots, .... well at least in Toronto. My Wild in theory deserve a top 7 pick (or so) but who's to say they will get lucky enough.

Come on you already have arguably the best prospect pool in the NHL and got two of the biggest UFAs this summer; how much more do you want?

[Konk]

Originally Posted by LordFletcher

If there isn't a season and teams like Columbus / Toronto / NYI do not get a decent 2013 pick, there will be riots, .... well at least in Toronto. My Wild in theory deserve a top 7 pick (or so) but who's to say they will get lucky enough.

By what theory? The Wild definitely improved over the off season adding arguably the two most coveted UFAs and two of the best young, in-their-prime players of the entire league. Had there been a season they would've easily been in contention for a playoff spot. Thus, not deserving of a top 10 pick in the draft.

[LordFletcher]

was basing that claim off of the last formula (lockout draft) ... which may or may not happen or by the same rules... who knows... was just saying.

as for the post above that... HAHA! As much as the next hockey fan, MORE. just saying that if they land a top pick in this years draft, they could rival EDM for ELITE level prospects, not just the best overall pool. The Wild could have a stupid amount of riches if they get a top pick

cheers

[oilersfan11]

Originally Posted by CaptainIginla

The Montreal Canadiens are proud to select, les Canadiens sont fiers séléctionner, Portland Winterhawks' Seth Jones.

Wrong,the Edmonton Oilers are proud to select Seth Jones.



Montreal selects one of Sean Monahan,Alexsandr Barkov.

[Legionnaire11]

I'm pretty sure that i've read through this whole thread and haven't found the answer.

A lot of people have said that without a CBA agreement, the 2013 Draft can't take place. Yet I am unable to find anything concrete to support this. Is there a definitive answer one way or the other as to whether the draft will take place without a CBA?

[DuckJet]

Oh we got this stickied? Thank the lord.

[LordFletcher]

Originally Posted by Legionnaire11

I'm pretty sure that i've read through this whole thread and haven't found the answer.

A lot of people have said that without a CBA agreement, the 2013 Draft can't take place. Yet I am unable to find anything concrete to support this. Is there a definitive answer one way or the other as to whether the draft will take place without a CBA?

from my understanding that is correct... As of right now there cannot be a 2013 NHL draft... but I am willing to bet they will have something in order to make sure these kids funnel their pockets.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it

[Legionnaire11]

Seems to me that unless there is specific language written into some agreement, that nothing would actually prevent the draft from taking place.

The teams would simply be drafting the rights to those players. How those rights are handled are subject to the CBA, but not the rights themselves. There is no need for an agreement between the league and the players association since these prospects are not part of the players association. The 2005 WHA drafted prospect rights without ever having an agreement of any kind with any union.

[skip2mybordeleau]

Originally Posted by oilersfan11

Wrong,the Edmonton Oilers are proud to select Seth Jones.



Montreal selects one of Sean Monahan,Alexsandr Barkov.

welcome to cap hell edmonton oilers

[Trae]

When I first started this thread, I really didn't think we were going to lose the season at all. Now that it's becoming more of a reality, I really hope a better system is implemented to ensure that my Flames will get a top 10 pick. I'ma lose my mind if I lose a season AND get ripped off at the draft with a late pick in the 20's.