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11-30-2012, 05:07 PM
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Has it ever entered your mind that playoff teams have tried to acquire him but Burke refused to give him up because he's a quality asset?

Maybe because he's really only played for 1 team.

Think for a second, I would answer this for you but I hope you are capable of taking off the blindfold and answering it for yourself.
Detroit was after him reportedly. I have no link but pretty sure it was published, but, then again they took on Gus, what does detroit know about putting together winning teams though.

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11-30-2012, 05:30 PM
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Detroit was after him reportedly. I have no link but pretty sure it was published, but, then again they took on Gus, what does detroit know about putting together winning teams though.
Respect to Holland and the gang dude but seriously they aren't 100% right about every player are they now....Didn't Brett Lebda come outta Detroit?

Seriously man...that guy defines sucking.

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11-30-2012, 05:32 PM
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Respect to Holland and the gang dude but seriously they aren't 100% right about every player are they now....Didn't Brett Lebda come outta Detroit?

Seriously man...that guy defines sucking.
Still amazes me a player of his calibre(or lack thereof) could win a Cup. Amazing.

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11-30-2012, 05:57 PM
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Still amazes me a player of his calibre(or lack thereof) could win a Cup. Amazing.
Osgood won cups there too.
You could probably make a solid list of guys that were gifted rings for playing on their teams over the years.

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11-30-2012, 10:07 PM
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Still amazes me a player of his calibre(or lack thereof) could win a Cup. Amazing.
I'm still amazed how he was a -3 in an 8(?)-3 win.

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12-05-2012, 01:50 PM
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Lebda wasn't that bad with Wings, though.

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I'm still amazed how he was a -3 in an 8(?)-3 win.
9-3.

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12-05-2012, 02:55 PM
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Grabo is like Pleks. He SHOULD be on our first line till we find someone more suitable. Then again, I have no doubts that I am the only person on the leaf boards who is starting to want to break up the Kulemin, Mac, Grabo line.

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12-05-2012, 03:36 PM
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Lebda wasn't that bad with Wings, though.

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I'm still amazed how he was a -3 in an 8(?)-3 win.
9-3.
To be fair, Toronto scored 5 PPG that game, while Atlanta scored none. So in terms of goals that actually affect +/-, he was effectively -3 in a 4-3 win. Still bad, and there's zero doubt that Lebda was terrible for the Leafs in general, but this one game in particular needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

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12-05-2012, 07:31 PM
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Grabo is like Pleks. He SHOULD be on our first line till we find someone more suitable. Then again, I have no doubts that I am the only person on the leaf boards who is starting to want to break up the Kulemin, Mac, Grabo line.
Plekanec is a better center than Grabo, for one thing he can win faceoffs and most importantly as a Center set up his linemates for goals. he's actually done a couple things Grabo has never done, made the playoffs, score 69 and 70 pts in a season. So it really isn't even close between the 2.

I think Grabo would be better served from a team stand point playing on the wing, this way he can concentrate on just putting the puck in the net, he's a 25 goal shoot first type of player, no need to make him the default #2C that he mediocrely performs. He can be a good 2nd line winger though.

Why not have him play right wing with Kule on the left.

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12-05-2012, 07:37 PM
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Plekanec is a better center than Grabo, for one thing he can win faceoffs and most importantly as a Center set up his linemates for goals. he's actually done a couple things Grabo has never done, made the playoffs, score 69 and 70 pts in a season. So it really isn't even close between the 2.

I think Grabo would be better served from a team stand point playing on the wing, this way he can concentrate on just putting the puck in the net, he's a 25 goal shoot first type of player, no need to make him the default #2C that he mediocrely performs. He can be a good 2nd line winger though.

Why not have him play right wing with Kule on the left.
I respect what you are saying but grabo plays the way a center should. Not every center is a faceoff specialist by any means and by putting Grabo on the wing you just hurt the teams need for centers even more. I really do not see Grabo as a winger by any means.

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12-05-2012, 07:44 PM
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I respect what you are saying but grabo plays the way a center should. Not every center is a faceoff specialist by any means and by putting Grabo on the wing you just hurt the teams need for centers even more. I really do not see Grabo as a winger by any means.
Grabo on the right wing can be a weapon, I can actually see how it might help him. I'm not saying he is Martin St Louis, for one thing he's not in the same league in hockey IQ, but he plays big and he has speed to come in on the off the wing. He's fearless on the wall, we are just removing Grabo from Center because he can't win faceoffs, or 51% against the weakest faceoff matchups and more importantly he is not a playmaking center. He doesn't help his wingers all that much. As a winger he may actually be a productive player worth 4.75M-5M a season. Not sure about 5.5 though.

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12-05-2012, 09:40 PM
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Grabovski had a perfectly fine face-off percentage. He was 41st among all forwards. He is the definition of a center. Moving him to the wing would be absolutely idiotic, made more idiotic when you factor in the Leaf's center situation.

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Grabovski had a perfectly fine face-off percentage. He was 41st among all forwards. He is the definition of a center. Moving him to the wing would be absolutely idiotic, made more idiotic when you factor in the Leaf's center situation.
Not only that but it has already been tried and failed miserably.

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12-08-2012, 12:19 PM
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Not only that but it has already been tried and failed miserably.
When was it tried? I don't recall him ever lining up on the wing for us for any extended amount of games.

As a one dimensional shoot first fwd, I think he could be an adequate right winger with the right Center to feed him.

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12-08-2012, 01:04 PM
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Grabo is like Pleks. He SHOULD be on our first line till we find someone more suitable. Then again, I have no doubts that I am the only person on the leaf boards who is starting to want to break up the Kulemin, Mac, Grabo line.
Yeah. They have been playing together for years and have a lot of chemistry.

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12-08-2012, 02:06 PM
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As a one dimensional shoot first fwd, I think he could be an adequate right winger with the right Center to feed him.
Except that is not what he is at all.

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12-08-2012, 04:07 PM
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When was it tried? I don't recall him ever lining up on the wing for us for any extended amount of games.
The reliability of your memory of anything Grabovski has done is highly questionable.

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As a one dimensional shoot first fwd, I think he could be an adequate right winger with the right Center to feed him.
For example...

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Except that is not what he is at all.
Then I don't know exactly what you think he is, he is a career year 29 assist Center with wingers that scored 30 and 21 goals in 10-11.

We all know Grabo is a goal scoring Center, he lacks the vision and creativity to be a top 6 Center playmaker on the team we are trying to build. I could live with him on our present team but the better we get, we will need a Center with a lot more imtangbles than one that scores the pretty meaningless goals.

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The reliability of your memory of anything Grabovski has done is highly questionable.



For example...
My memory is excellent, I wish I could forget Grabo's many cold streaks, or how he slumped without Kule when he is playing with Blake, Frattin. Ect...you should test yours though. Goodluck in your campaign.

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12-08-2012, 07:19 PM
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Then I don't know exactly what you think he is
It's not think. It's know. And pretty much the opposite of your delusions.

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Then I don't know exactly what you think he is, he is a career year 29 assist Center with wingers that scored 30 and 21 goals in 10-11.

We all know Grabo is a goal scoring Center, he lacks the vision and creativity to be a top 6 Center playmaker on the team we are trying to build. I could live with him on our present team but the better we get, we will need a Center with a lot more imtangbles than one that scores the pretty meaningless goals.
I want Kadri to replace him someday. JVR-Kadri-Kulemin/Frattin looks good to me.

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Then I don't know exactly what you think he is, he is a career year 29 assist Center with wingers that scored 30 and 21 goals in 10-11.

We all know Grabo is a goal scoring Center, he lacks the vision and creativity to be a top 6 Center playmaker on the team we are trying to build. I could live with him on our present team but the better we get, we will need a Center with a lot more imtangbles than one that scores the pretty meaningless goals.
'Intangibles', lacks vision, meaningless goals. Saying these things over and over doesnt make them true.

Your comments about his assists were addressed and of course you're still repeating it.

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It's not think. It's know. And pretty much the opposite of your delusions.
I'm listening, how do you know?

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'Intangibles', lacks vision, meaningless goals. Saying these things over and over doesnt make them true.

Your comments about his assists were addressed and of course you're still repeating it.
I've stated my points many times here, including the irrefutable evidence he is not a very proficient playmaker when his enablers claim he is, when you have never had more than 29 assists in 1 season in your career, how can one claim Grabo is a good playmaker is beyond me.

Really they addressed? I know He had crappy wingers last year? Is that what you are going to? Same wingers that scored 30 and 21 goals the year before? The only wingers thus far that Grabo has been successful with.

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I've stated my points many times here, including the irrefutable evidence he is not a very proficient playmaker when his enablers claim he is, when you have never had more than 29 assists in 1 season in your career, how can one claim Grabo is a good playmaker is beyond me.

Really they addressed? I know He had crappy wingers last year? Is that what you are going to? Same wingers that scored 30 and 21 goals the year before? The only wingers thus far that Grabo has been successful with.
He also had 25 assists in 59 games. Do I have to do the math?

Aww hell.

That put him on pace for 35 assists.

He isn't an Adam Oates so just relax. Sheesh. YOu say playmaker around here and if a guy doesn't have 50 assists he sucks.

My best advice would be to actually watch him. If after 5-10 games you still think he sucks we can revisit it .

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