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12-07-2012, 08:54 AM
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So the defense is exhausted, they just gave up a long touchdown drive, and now the opposing offense can just decide to immediately force them to defend a 4th and 15? I'd see teams exploiting the crap outta this and completely changing the game.

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12-07-2012, 10:00 AM
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BTW can we change the title? It's not necessarily accurate as it's not Goddell that floated the idea.

The title is direct from the article cited...


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12-07-2012, 10:29 AM
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So everyone really thinks teams would continually go for it on 4th and 15 at their OWN 30 because it's so easy to pick up? Why do so many teams punt on 4th and 5 from the opposing 45 then? Your chicken little scenarios won't happen.

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So everyone really thinks teams would continually go for it on 4th and 15 at their OWN 30 because it's so easy to pick up? Why do so many teams punt on 4th and 5 from the opposing 45 then? Your chicken little scenarios won't happen.
This.

One thing I will add tho, is that it'll make close, late games more exciting. As hard as they are to pick up, if my team is trailing late in the 4th after scoring, I'd rather have to convert a 4th & 15 than recover an onside kick.

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i would be okay with the change
i am impartial to the idea

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Naturally, Josh Cribbs is against the idea. Honestly, I am too. There's quite a few guys in the league who would have never gotten a spot if not for their good special teams abilities. Hell, Terrell Davis only made the Broncos because he stood out on special teams.

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12-07-2012, 06:17 PM
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This is disgusting.

leave the kickoff alone FFS.
agreed.. the kick/punt return for a td is probably the most exciting thing in the league.. leave it alone

if they are to mess with it due to concussions blah blah.. leave everthing the same but take kick offs away after feild goals.

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agreed.. the kick/punt return for a td is probably the most exciting thing in the league.. leave it alone.
Problem is, the touchback is the most boring/pointless thing in the league. 80% of kickoffs are just a waste of time now.

I'd prefer kickoffs moved back to the 25 as I stated above, but honestly eliminating kickoffs entirely makes more sense than this "lets just get rid of most of them" idea that saw them moved up to the 35.

I mean, really if they feel kickoffs are "too dangerous" as they've stated, why have them at all? This is kind of like the government saying drunk driving is dangerous, and therefore illegal, except on Tuesdays. Doesn't really make much sense.

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So the defense is exhausted, they just gave up a long touchdown drive, and now the opposing offense can just decide to immediately force them to defend a 4th and 15? I'd see teams exploiting the crap outta this and completely changing the game.
And not take a penalty, mind you

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The title is direct from the article cited...
Hm. Still not exactly Goddell's idea.

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agreed.. the kick/punt return for a td is probably the most exciting thing in the league.. leave it alone

if they are to mess with it due to concussions blah blah.. leave everthing the same but take kick offs away after feild goals.
What?

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Hm. Still not exactly Goddell's idea.



What?
What part are you whating about so I can help you. The kick/punt returns being exciting or the no kick offs after feild goals?

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Problem is, the touchback is the most boring/pointless thing in the league. 80% of kickoffs are just a waste of time now.

I'd prefer kickoffs moved back to the 25 as I stated above, but honestly eliminating kickoffs entirely makes more sense than this "lets just get rid of most of them" idea that saw them moved up to the 35.

I mean, really if they feel kickoffs are "too dangerous" as they've stated, why have them at all? This is kind of like the government saying drunk driving is dangerous, and therefore illegal, except on Tuesdays. Doesn't really make much sense.
I'd like them to move kick offs back as well.

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And not take a penalty, mind you
I can see teams that play ball control using this tactic (Houston Texans) Ground Game + Owen Daniels/Andre Johnson ... 8+ minute drive in the late third Quarter ... puts you up 3 ... get a PI call on the ensuing possession to start ... yeah, this won't be abused at all.

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I personally hate the idea, but I did read something that I did like somewhere else.

Only kickoffs to start halves - this reduces the amount of kickoffs and improves safety, etc., etc, but still features the sometimes exciting play occasionally. Otherwise, the recieving team just starts at the 20 (which they already essentially do 60-70% of the time.) But the major thing is that each team would be allowed one onside kick attempt per game. The coach could therefore elect to use that near the end of the game.

Personally I much prefer the idea of one given onside kick to the proposed 4th and 15 attempt idea.

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I personally hate the idea, but I did read something that I did like somewhere else.

Only kickoffs to start halves - this reduces the amount of kickoffs and improves safety, etc., etc, but still features the sometimes exciting play occasionally. Otherwise, the recieving team just starts at the 20 (which they already essentially do 60-70% of the time.) But the major thing is that each team would be allowed one onside kick attempt per game. The coach could therefore elect to use that near the end of the game.

Personally I much prefer the idea of one given onside kick to the proposed 4th and 15 attempt idea.
But I like the surprise onside kick...

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What part are you whating about so I can help you. The kick/punt returns being exciting or the no kick offs after feild goals?
I would agree that maybe to start the game and to start the half would be an interesting idea to have the only kickoffs.

(Your post finally makes sense after re-reading it like a bunch of times)

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I almost think they'd be better off just moving kicks to the 40 than doing this. So it's either an automatic touchback on an onside kick.

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I'll say this, I think it's a better idea than what we have now, which is touchbacks on 80% of kickoffs. It's stupid and a waste of time. At least this would bring some excitement back.

But as far as I'm concerned, move kickoffs back to the 25 and get returns going again. Concussions be damned. These guys are making millions of dollars. If they don't want to risk it, they can go find a normal civilian job. Why don't we outlaw QB sacks? You can get concussions from that too.
My thoughts exactly. As much as I don't really like this idea (aside from making late game heroics a little more interesting), the touchbacks are getting ridiculous. If you're going to ruin them completely, I suppose you can replace them.

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I think they should get rid of special teams altogether if they're going to implement this. No field goals, no kickoffs, and no punts. All teams get four downs to convert and turn it over where they are if they don't. That should open up the offense and damn near eliminate all your high speed collisions. Problem is that that is not how pro football works.

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Instead of coming up with stupid ideas, they should move kickoffs back to the 30. Touchbacks are lame

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Instead of coming up with stupid ideas, they should move kickoffs back to the 30. Touchbacks are lame
So are concussions

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So are concussions
Every occupation has associated risks. Every guy in the NFL has the choice of walking away from the game and finding a less risky occupation. For millions of dollars, I'd be more than happy to trade places with them and risk concussions. I risk electrocution and other construction site hazards every day for less than 5% of what a lot of no-name special teams guys are making.

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And every occupation does their best to minimize those risks.

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And every occupation does their best to minimize those risks.
Yes, within reason. Removing an element of the game that has been around forever is definitely stretching the bounds of what's rasonable. The NFL has made rules to eliminate blows to the head and there can be heavy penalties and fines. I'd say they've gone far enough. Eliminating most (or all) kickoffs is going too far IMO. What's the next step? You're not allowed to hit a receiver until he's caught the ball and established his balace? That would reduce injuries to receivers, afterall.

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And every occupation does their best to minimize those risks.
They give them safety equipment, regulations and training. They don't force electricians to become plumbers. Replacing the fundamentals of the game isn't the answer.

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