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12-08-2012, 07:17 PM
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Wanted him at the draft. Local kid who is a big RD with a mean streak, but he is a project. I project him not to be much more than a #5D but he suits the Canucks style of defense. More than that of Montreal's.
Maybe current d squad, but the style they're aiming for in the future he fits in nicely if he pans out. Thrower, Tinordi, Dietz and who can really throw a hit, Subban and Emelin.

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12-09-2012, 03:08 PM
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Trade #1.



Trade #2.

To Columbus: Keith Ballard, Bill Sweatt
To Vancouver: Colton Gillies, Cody Goloubef, 2013 second round pick
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To Vancouver: Gillies, Cody Goloubef

To Columbus: Eddie Lack, Canucks 2nd round pick 2013

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12-09-2012, 09:34 PM
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How many players score more points in the NHL then they do in junior? If Jensen can get in the 30 - 40 point range like Booth, Higgins and Raymond did that would be a more reasonable expectation and there is nothing wrong with that.

29 players scored 30 goals last year, that's an average of 1 player per team scoring 30 goals.
Ok, sure. But Jensen has 18 goals through 37 pro games played. Over an 82 game season, that's a 40 goal pace. As a 19 year old rookie, that's impressive. His game seems to be better suited to pro hockey. I don't think it's a stretch to guess he'll he scoring 30 in the NHL in his mid twenties.

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12-09-2012, 10:16 PM
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To Vancouver: Gillies, Cody Goloubef

To Columbus: Eddie Lack, Canucks 2nd round pick 2013
Lack is going no where, barring a ridiculous overpayment. He's on a two way contract this year, until we resolve our goaltending issue, and then he's signed dirt cheap after that. It's one of the other two moving, not him.

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12-09-2012, 11:58 PM
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To Vancouver: Gillies, Cody Goloubef

To Columbus: Eddie Lack, Canucks 2nd round pick 2013
Eddie Lack would not improve the Jackets. He shows every indication over the next season or three that he will eventually turn into an exceptional NHL backup goalie or even maybe a middle of the road first string, but he brings nothing more to the Jackets than Bobrovsky already does. They are both similar in talent and development level. Lack will make an excellent backup to either Luongo or Schneider but Columbus really needs a solid first string goalie and most importantly that goalie should be able to mentor your younger goalies. The better a gaolie the mentor is, the more the younger goalie can learn from. Rather than Lack, you should be trying to get Luongo or Schnieder from the Canucks. As a Canuck fan, I'd rather keep Luongo than Schneider, but its close as both are exceptional goalies.

I'm surprised you didn't jump at my trade suggestion with Columbus. It is lopsided in favour of the Jackets. Other than Jack Johnson, who is a ligitimate #1 defenseman, Ballard would be your next best defenseman and even his style of play matches your teams defensive style. The fact that Ballard hasn't done well in Vancouver is not a knock on his skill level but more on AV's absolute insistance that our defense be made up of 3 right hand and 3 left hand shots and that all defensemen play a very strict rotating transitional game. Go on an individual break out run as a defenseman and even if you scored a goal, you could be riding the pine for the rest of the night. AV doesn't like those that don't stick to his game plan. On the Canucks Ballard just got caught up in a numbers game (too many top four left hand shot defensemen) and an untimely injury bug. Goloubef is not a better defenseman than Ballard. He's not even equal, but he is a right hand shot which Ballard is not.

The Jackets are a cusp team in regards to the playoffs. A bad run and you are out. Pulling out a few games from certain loss and you are in. A couple more improvements, especially in goal and the Jackets should make that next step of being a perenial playoff team.

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Other than Jack Johnson, who is a ligitimate #1 defenseman, Ballard would be your next best defenseman and even his style of play matches your teams defensive style.
Canucks fan and long time Ballard supporter here. Strongly disagree. Wiz's offense makes him better than Ballard, and Tyutin just gets underrated like mad on these boards. Ballard is definitely underrated here on these boards, but not as much as you're underrating those two guys.

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12-10-2012, 12:07 AM
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Canucks fan and long time Ballard supporter here. Strongly disagree. Wiz's offense makes him better than Ballard, and Tyutin just gets underrated like mad on these boards. Ballard is definitely underrated here on these boards, but not as much as you're underrating those two guys.
Agreed.

Wiz didn't have a spectacular year, but I'd want him, contract and all, over Ballard. I view him as a slightly bigger, more aggressive Ballard, who has one great season under his belt more then Ballard.

Tyutin isn't top shelf talent, but he seems to be forgotten about as a steady all around defenseman that can play in any position. I'd say he fits in among Tyutin in terms of depth, even a little better.

...but Columbus has a ton of young guys ready to slide in.

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12-10-2012, 03:30 AM
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Canucks fan and long time Ballard supporter here. Strongly disagree. Wiz's offense makes him better than Ballard, and Tyutin just gets underrated like mad on these boards. Ballard is definitely underrated here on these boards, but not as much as you're underrating those two guys.
Indeed. Wiz was on pace for nearly 60 points when he joined Montreal and was absolutely fantastic paired with Hamrlik. He certainly has defensive lapses, alongside bouts of inconsistency but his offense makes him well worth the risk. Nothing against Ballard, who I actually like, however Wiz definitely jumps him. I still believe it was a terrible decision by the Habs to let Wiz walk.

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12-10-2012, 10:53 AM
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Trade #1.

To Montreal: Yann Sauve, Anton Rodin
To Vancouver: Dalton Thrower, 2013 second round pick
Why would Montreal give up a just-made second round pick and a future second round pick for two former second rounders who haven't been anything even close to impressive in their development since being drafted?

I would love this deal for Vancouver - because since Sauve and Rodin were drafted it's become obvious that both players face extremely long odds to ever be impact players in the NHL.

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12-10-2012, 12:09 PM
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No interest in trading Seabrook for anything but an upgrade at his position and role, he is our only Dman who has the whole package.

Beach isn't worth trading either, would rather see how he plays in the NHL before giving up on him.

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