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We currently can match any offer given to O'reilly, we have 16m in cap space
Clearly the Avs have a budget if they didnt sign him before the lockout and now that he has pulled this out as bargaining power. The Avs could sign him to whatever, but Im sure they have a limit.
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Originally Posted by Freudian
I don't think Chicago is in position to offer sheet anyone, considering the 17 players they have signed for next year has a $57M cap hit. The cap will go down in the new CBA.
Meanwhile Avs have 19 players signed for a $47M cap hit next year.
I'm not nessecarily talking about the Hawks, but they could find space if needed. Montador, Frolik, Hjalmarsson etc can be bought out or traded to make room.
Just because the Avs have all of that space, doesn't mean they will use it.
Clearly the Avs have a budget if they didnt sign him before the lockout and now that he has pulled this out as bargaining power. The Avs could sign him to whatever, but Im sure they have a limit.
I'm not nessecarily talking about the Hawks, but they could find space if needed. Montador, Frolik, Hjalmarsson etc can be bought out or traded to make room.
Just because the Avs have all of that space, doesn't mean they will use it.
Well Subban hasn't been signed to a contract so does that mean Montreal is on a budget which by your reasoning would mean they are. Go ahead and offer sheet him and see what happens. Just because Sherman doesn't spend to the cap in order to get a top 5 pick doesn't mean there's a budget. Sorry we don't spend $7millon on Gomez or $4.5million on Komisarek. Personally would rather not get stuck in cap hell by signing Leino or other worthless players to massive contracts.
To everyone who doesn't feel like reading the last 8 pages. A summary:
At the beginning of the thread, an Avs fan stated they would maybe move RoR for a top pairing dman. Toronto comes along and offers Gardiner, a first year player who led all rookie dmen and led in hits, had 30 points with obvious top pairing potential, and then that same Avs fan said no? Was Shea Webber the expected return or something? Then there was just a couple fans who were just being disrespectful with responces and what not. Arguments ensued back and forth for a long time with no other really offers being made except for the last two or so pages.
Now, my analysis of Ryan O'Rielly:
I think that the Avs, while have a great talent in RoR, are overating him quite a bit.
a) He is unsigned.
b) He has only had one good season. Its not like he has been a consistant producer all his career.
c) His choice to take a 2 year contract is a potential problem whether anyone wants to admit it or not. You don't see any other unsigned RFA's signing multiyear deals in other leagues just because a contract wasnt hammered out before the lockout.
One fan offered Edler (Which I thought was ridiculous) and then it was replied with "Only if he is resigned." I'm sorry, but RoR, who by all means had a great season, is not worth a resigned top pairing, reliable and consistant dman like Edler. You know what youre getting with Edler. RoR has only had one good season. The rest were 26 points. Yes he is young, but until he puts up at least another season as good or better than the last, he will not command that kind of return from another team.
From the Oilers, while my fellow fans may not like it, I would offer:
Gagner + 1st Round Selection on 2013
for
Ryan O'Rielly + Joey Hishon + 4th Round Pick in 2012
That deal is contigent on there being no NHL season played this year.
To everyone who doesn't feel like reading the last 8 pages. A summary:
At the beginning of the thread, an Avs fan stated they would maybe move RoR for a top pairing dman. Toronto comes along and offers Gardiner, a first year player who led all rookie dmen and led in hits, had 30 points with obvious top pairing potential, and then that same Avs fan said no? Was Shea Webber the expected return or something? Then there was just a couple fans who were just being disrespectful with responces and what not.
I think that the Avs, while have a great talent in RoR, are overating him quite a bit.
a) He is unsigned.
b) He has only had one good season. Its not like he has been a consistant producer all his career.
c) His choice to take a 2 year contract is a potential problem whether anyone wants to admit it or not. You don't see any other unsigned RFA's signing multiyear deals in other leagues just because a contract wasnt hammered out before the lockout.
One fan offered Edler (Which I thought was ridiculous) and then it was replied with "Only if he is resigned. I'm sorry, but RoR, who by all means had a great season, is not worth a resigned top pairing, reliable and consistant dman like Edler. You know what youre getting with Edler. RoR has only had one good season. The rest were 26 points. Yes he is young, but until he puts up at least another season as good or better than the last, he will not command that kind of return from another team.
From the Oilers, while my fellow fans may not like it, I would offer:
Gagner + 1st Round Selection on 2012
for
Ryan O'Rielly + Joey Hishon + 4th Round Pick in 2012
That deal is contigent on there being no NHL season played this year.
I don't think any GM in the league would trade ROR for an unsigned Edler. That is terrible asset management.
*BTW, I love how you bash him and then offer a proposal for him.
To everyone who doesn't feel like reading the last 8 pages. A summary:
At the beginning of the thread, an Avs fan stated they would maybe move RoR for a top pairing dman. Toronto comes along and offers Gardiner, a first year player who led all rookie dmen and led in hits, had 30 points with obvious top pairing potential, and then that same Avs fan said no? Was Shea Webber the expected return or something? Then there was just a couple fans who were just being disrespectful with responces and what not. Arguments ensued back and forth for a long time with no other really offers being made except for the last two or so pages.
Now, my analysis of Ryan O'Rielly:
I think that the Avs, while have a great talent in RoR, are overating him quite a bit.
a) He is unsigned.
b) He has only had one good season. Its not like he has been a consistant producer all his career.
c) His choice to take a 2 year contract is a potential problem whether anyone wants to admit it or not. You don't see any other unsigned RFA's signing multiyear deals in other leagues just because a contract wasnt hammered out before the lockout.
One fan offered Edler (Which I thought was ridiculous) and then it was replied with "Only if he is resigned. I'm sorry, but RoR, who by all means had a great season, is not worth a resigned top pairing, reliable and consistant dman like Edler. You know what youre getting with Edler. RoR has only had one good season. The rest were 26 points. Yes he is young, but until he puts up at least another season as good or better than the last, he will not command that kind of return from another team.
From the Oilers, while my fellow fans may not like it, I would offer:
Gagner + 1st Round Selection on 2012
for
Ryan O'Rielly + Joey Hishon + 4th Round Pick in 2012
That deal is contigent on there being no NHL season played this year.
You're laughing at Avs fans for saying to a defensman that could easily walk as a UFA assuming we even have a season, or that we could just try and sign in FA?? I understand where you're coming from with most of this, but that really confused me. Trading someone like ROR for a FA would be horrible.
To everyone who doesn't feel like reading the last 8 pages. A summary:
At the beginning of the thread, an Avs fan stated they would maybe move RoR for a top pairing dman. Toronto comes along and offers Gardiner, a first year player who led all rookie dmen and led in hits, had 30 points with obvious top pairing potential, and then that same Avs fan said no? Was Shea Webber the expected return or something? Then there was just a couple fans who were just being disrespectful with responces and what not. Arguments ensued back and forth for a long time with no other really offers being made except for the last two or so pages.
Now, my analysis of Ryan O'Rielly:
I think that the Avs, while have a great talent in RoR, are overating him quite a bit.
a) He is unsigned.
b) He has only had one good season. Its not like he has been a consistant producer all his career.
c) His choice to take a 2 year contract is a potential problem whether anyone wants to admit it or not. You don't see any other unsigned RFA's signing multiyear deals in other leagues just because a contract wasnt hammered out before the lockout.
One fan offered Edler (Which I thought was ridiculous) and then it was replied with "Only if he is resigned. I'm sorry, but RoR, who by all means had a great season, is not worth a resigned top pairing, reliable and consistant dman like Edler. You know what youre getting with Edler. RoR has only had one good season. The rest were 26 points. Yes he is young, but until he puts up at least another season as good or better than the last, he will not command that kind of return from another team.
Bingo. The irony is they were saying Gardiner is unproven because he only had one great season. But ROR one great season trumps him and he automatically will be the better player.
Of COL wants a top pairing defenseman for O'Rielly they are going to have to add a little bit or all they're gonna get are offers for guys like Gardiner.
You're laughing at Avs fans for saying to a defensman that could easily walk as a UFA assuming we even have a season, or that we could just try and sign in FA?? I understand where you're coming from with most of this, but that really confused me. Trading someone like ROR for a FA would be horrible.
I understand your logic with the UFA and what not. While I agree it would be dumb to trade RoR for an unsigned Edler, I think it would be equally dumb for Vancouver to trade him signed. I just personally feel a signed Edler would be more valuable to Vancouver than RoR would.
It wasnt more so a proposal saying that they would be stupid not to trade for an unsigned Edler, just making a point that Vancouver really wouldnt have incentive to trade him if he was signed. Know what I mean?
Of COL wants a top pairing defenseman for O'Rielly they are going to have to add a little bit or all they're gonna get are offers for guys like Gardiner.
There is a pretty big difference, considering O'Reilly did most of his developing in the NHL, while Gardiner took the college-AHL route. Nothing against Gardiner though, I think he's been underrated quite a bit in this thread, but ROR "only" having one good season really shouldn't hinder his value, considering he's only 21 years old(was 20 during his breakout season).
To everyone who doesn't feel like reading the last 8 pages. A summary:
At the beginning of the thread, an Avs fan stated they would maybe move RoR for a top pairing dman. Toronto comes along and offers Gardiner, a first year player who led all rookie dmen and led in hits, had 30 points with obvious top pairing potential, and then that same Avs fan said no? Was Shea Webber the expected return or something? Then there was just a couple fans who were just being disrespectful with responces and what not. Arguments ensued back and forth for a long time with no other really offers being made except for the last two or so pages.
Now, my analysis of Ryan O'Rielly:
I think that the Avs, while have a great talent in RoR, are overating him quite a bit.
a) He is unsigned.
b) He has only had one good season. Its not like he has been a consistant producer all his career.
c) His choice to take a 2 year contract is a potential problem whether anyone wants to admit it or not. You don't see any other unsigned RFA's signing multiyear deals in other leagues just because a contract wasnt hammered out before the lockout.
One fan offered Edler (Which I thought was ridiculous) and then it was replied with "Only if he is resigned." I'm sorry, but RoR, who by all means had a great season, is not worth a resigned top pairing, reliable and consistant dman like Edler. You know what youre getting with Edler. RoR has only had one good season. The rest were 26 points. Yes he is young, but until he puts up at least another season as good or better than the last, he will not command that kind of return from another team.
From the Oilers, while my fellow fans may not like it, I would offer:
Gagner + 1st Round Selection on 2012
for
Ryan O'Rielly + Joey Hishon + 4th Round Pick in 2012
That deal is contigent on there being no NHL season played this year.
As an Avs fan I'd probably do that. I know we need the D-man, but we could always flip Yakupov somewhere else for that D-man.
I don't think any GM in the league would trade ROR for an unsigned Edler. That is terrible asset management.
*BTW, I love how you bash him and then offer a proposal for him.
I don't think any GM in the league would trade a signed Edler for RoR. See what Im getting at here? I didn't imply that any GM should trade RoR for an unsigned Edler.
I didn't "bash" O'Rielly. I just don't agree with the way some fans are valuing him in this thread. Just because I disagree and state why, doesn't mean I don't like him or acknowledge him talent.
My proposal wasn't to one particular fan either, which is why I didn't quote anybody or name anyone. It was to everyone. Hence it being in a trade forum.
I understand your logic with the UFA and what not. While I agree it would be dumb to trade RoR for an unsigned Edler, I think it would be equally dumb for Vancouver to trade him signed. I just personally feel a signed Edler would be more valuable to Vancouver than RoR would.
It wasnt more so a proposal saying that they would be stupid not to trade for an unsigned Edler, just making a point that Vancouver really wouldnt have incentive to trade him if he was signed. Know what I mean?
Yes...Vancouver would not do a signed Edler, but nor would we even consider an unsigned Edler. For a deal based around ROR/Edler, we would need a signed Edler, even if the value would be off. Basically, there is no deal to be made around those two. Unsigned Edler is to little, signed Edler is to much.
To everyone who doesn't feel like reading the last 8 pages. A summary:
At the beginning of the thread, an Avs fan stated they would maybe move RoR for a top pairing dman. Toronto comes along and offers Gardiner, a first year player who led all rookie dmen and led in hits, had 30 points with obvious top pairing potential, and then that same Avs fan said no? Was Shea Webber the expected return or something? Then there was just a couple fans who were just being disrespectful with responces and what not. Arguments ensued back and forth for a long time with no other really offers being made except for the last two or so pages.
Now, my analysis of Ryan O'Rielly:
I think that the Avs, while have a great talent in RoR, are overating him quite a bit.
a) He is unsigned.
b) He has only had one good season. Its not like he has been a consistant producer all his career.
c) His choice to take a 2 year contract is a potential problem whether anyone wants to admit it or not. You don't see any other unsigned RFA's signing multiyear deals in other leagues just because a contract wasnt hammered out before the lockout.
One fan offered Edler (Which I thought was ridiculous) and then it was replied with "Only if he is resigned." I'm sorry, but RoR, who by all means had a great season, is not worth a resigned top pairing, reliable and consistant dman like Edler. You know what youre getting with Edler. RoR has only had one good season. The rest were 26 points. Yes he is young, but until he puts up at least another season as good or better than the last, he will not command that kind of return from another team.
From the Oilers, while my fellow fans may not like it, I would offer:
Gagner + 1st Round Selection on 2012
for
Ryan O'Rielly + Joey Hishon + 4th Round Pick in 2012
That deal is contigent on there being no NHL season played this year.
So you read the whole thread, see what we asked for, and then offer a forward and a pick? I'm wondering where this logic is...
As for the value, there has been a Preds fan that has offered Josi + mid prospect, and a Sharks fan that said he would think about offering Vlasic for O'Reilly. So basically what your posts is saying is 'I skimmed through the thread, didn't take in other posters opinions, offered something that clearly doesn't help the other team (and in turn is a lot worse than the other offers) and completely disregards the decent offers in the summary. Yup, definitely an Oilers fan.
Last note regarding Edler. A sign and trade is completely plausible, considering Edler is going to be seeing a decent raise unless he decides to take a huge hometown discount. With the cap going down, it's not as unlikely as it seems. I do believe Vancouver would rather dump some salary and resign Edler, but if he's asking to much they might ship him out.
